In typical GLP fashion I’m going to beat this horse into the ground.
A lawyer for several of the young men accused of gang raping an 11 year-old girl in Cleveland, Texas said in a radio interview that the young men were aware of the girl’s age. This is a curious admission from a defense lawyer.
I have yet to come across a feminist blog or a leftist leaning online magazine chastise New Black Panther Party leader Quanell X for his victim blaming – the latest incantation of which involves X showing the 11 year-old’s Facebook pictures to a group of Cleveland, Texas citizens. At this point I must reiterate my position on this case. I don’t know the details of the case, but whatever the circumstances are, I think there is something wrong in a little girl’s life if she is willing to have sex with such a large group of men. But as usual, the word “rape” and the terms “gang rape” have lost all meaning in this post-feminist age. That being said, feminists are holding on to hyperbolic definitions of rape. And I’m arguing within their frame. Their hypocrisy is that they are willing to jump down the throat of a New York Times reporter who merely reported what he was told, but they won’t confront the fact that the black community incubates a culture of victim-blaming and misogyny – most recently exemplified by Quanell X. So if you want to explore victim blaming in this case, you have to consider how race is involved. No feminists have had the guts to take that angle.
Unfortunately, one feminist blogger considered the involvement of race, but she seems convinced that it is ultimately white patriarchy that is at fault. A girl named Susan blogging at Hay Ladies! writes:
White feminists have to talk about race. Yes, rape is rape, and yes, victim-blaming is victim-blaming. But if we as white feminists pretend like violence against women isn’t colored, if we condemn this group of black male attackers without interrogating the social and systemic structures that produced this violent incident and will inform the attacker’s prosecution, we will fail to form and sustain alliances with people of color and groups that work for racial equality. As Quanell X, a member of Houston’s New Black Panther Party and local activist pointed out, “Every adult male that had sex with this child should go to prison, I don’t care what the color is. But I do not believe black males are the only ones that had contact with this young child.” I would agree. If we only condemn black male attackers, we allow violence against women to persist and we also fail to address the actual root cause of violence against women: a system of power that is both patriarchal AND white supremacist.
So someone besides the black male attackers are at fault for what all feminists agree is a heinous crime. This sounds, to me, like a case of tacit rape apology in and of itself. This young girl was raped by society. Exonerate the black men who are only tools of the patriarchy.
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She basically says what lefty feminists think:
“Excuse the crimes of our allies because we have a common enemy.”
This is a summing up of her entire statement.
Crimes, even heinous crimes like raping an 11-year old girl, must be *excused* (or at least the men partly exonerated) in order to maintain alliances with black activists.
Get this right:
“if we condemn this group of black male attackers without interrogating the social and systemic structures that produced this violent incident and will inform the attacker’s prosecution, we will fail to form and sustain alliances with people of color and groups that work for racial equality.”
“interrogating the social and systemic structures that produced this violent incident” = coming up with excuses to exonerate black males and go on to blame white society for black men raping little girls
“form and sustain alliances with people of color” = we’ll lose our allies.
Equivalent:
The Russians are obliterating non-communists and Jews, but we must tolerate their savagery because we’re both at war with the Nazis;
Fundamentalist Muslims hate non-Muslims and non-Fundamentalists and have bronze-age attitudes towards women, BUT they want to undermine and destroy Western society, THEREFORE their ideology is above criticism.
The enemy of my Enemy is my Friend.
She’s just admitted in the most open language post-modernists are capable of using that black men should be let off the hook for the shit they do (to some degree) because the real enemy is, … someone else.
I’m astounded this kind of disgusting tripe could get by the self-censors women like these usually have set up. Of course, in marxist discourse, this is all par for the course; not a word written here is out of scope.
I sincerely hope that”Susan” at “Hey Ladies” gets gang raped by a group of black thugs. Nothing could be more fitting for such a white male hating bitch.
[Chuck: Susan has said enough stupid things that we can take down point by point without the need to wish gang rape on her.]
I’m not excusing anyone. If what you read in that article is “Let’s not send guilty men to jail because of their race,” you are misreading me 110%.
In fact, the whole of the article was meant to cause white feminists to remember that a woman of color is more likely to be subject to victim-blaming. It’s an attempt to remember women of color who often get left out in the largely white world of feminist blogging.
Further, “violence against women” from the quote you use DOES NOT EQUAL rape. Rape is one form of violence against women. Victim-blaming is another form. Discrimination in the workplace is another form. Cat calling is another form. So when I say these systems of power produce violence against women, I am referring to the daily forms of both subtle and overt violence women face. You’re oversimplifying in your restatement because you don’t understand the terms of the conversation.
Also to the dude commenting before me: What lefty feminist things we have to excuse rape to maintain alliances? I mean, WHAT? This is not a thing. Like, I know lefty feminists, and though I myself am a moderate feminist, I don’t know anyone who would argue that we should excuse rape to maintain alliances.
I agree that more feminists should be taking Quanell X to task for his victim blaming — I’d love to see the articles you’re pointing to where he engages in it. The only thing I read from him was the quote I used where he said there were probably more attackers than just these men, which was not victim blaming so much as pointing out that this little girl had been subject to additional sexual violence that was going unreported and unpunished. If you could send me some links to show me how he’s victim blaming, I can write something next week about it.
I just want the conversation to include race. That doesn’t mean excusing any behaviors because of it. Which I think is what the whole of my article says, even though that’s a more subtle point than you’re portraying me as making.
Also, I’m not a girl. Well into my twenties. So if you wanted to correct that, that’d be awesome, and far less dismissive.
[Chuck: You deserve to be dismissed. So you'll have to find a better way to shame us.]
lol. Look at this whorish girl. Can’t even make a coherent argument:
Violence against women=”Victim-blaming.” Because it’s violent to tell someone to take personal responsibility. Only in feminist doublespeak.
What a whore. I repeat: let’s hope a group of black thugs gang rapes her and leaves her for dead.
more from the whorish little girl “Susan”
“(this could be read now as two different groups of color being pitted against one another by systems of white power like the police force, for example)”
—It’s a conspiracy, I tell you! The evil white straight males cause all racial strife by conspiracy!
whorefinder,
I disagree with Susan on this, but I don’t think you’re doing people on our side of the argument any favors by saying she ought to be gang-raped.
which was not victim blaming so much as pointing out that this little girl had been subject to additional sexual violence that was going unreported and unpunished
—Hey bitch, where’s the proof? Oh wait, you have none. Just quoting a racist black thug so you can maintain your untenable alliance with black men to blame straight white males for all your problems.
You lose, feminazi.
And, Susan, according to you, Chuck and Gorbachev don’t understand the terms of the debate. Maybe because you’re using lunatic definitions that include cat calling as violence against women.
@Saint Louis:
I disagree with Susan on this, but I don’t think you’re doing people on our side of the argument any favors by saying she ought to be gang-raped.
—that would require her to be a reasonable, rational person. She isn’t; she’s a feminist. She believes there’s a giant conspiracy holding her down propagated by straight white males. She believes its ok to kill children if they stand in the way of your career.
Where were you during the Bush years, when bitches like her were running around calling Bush “Hitler” and claiming our country was guilty of war crimes?
The problem is being reasonable and polite with these cunts is exactly why they feel free to flourish. They exist because we protect them from the violent thugs they worship.
Let the thugs have at her. She deserves no protection from us.
I repeat: Cleveland 18, come gang rape this white whorish girl.
[Chuck: whorefinder, the only thing you accomplish by framing it this way is to satisfy your own anger. I understand your anger; she pisses me off too. But for purposes of rhetoric you aren't going to convince anyone of anything by saying that she should be gang-raped. I truly, truly believe that this ill-fitted marriage between the black community and feminism is exposed by this case. There is a huge glaring logical hole in the leftist/Marxist armor. This is a teachable moment that you waste by going for blood. That's all I'm saying.]
“Further, “violence against women” from the quote you use DOES NOT EQUAL rape. Rape is one form of violence against women. Victim-blaming is another form. Discrimination in the workplace is another form. Cat calling is another form. ”
well said sister, high fives. and Mr. Piggy, your existence with an erect phallus is one of the most heinous form of violence against women.
[Chuck: How did you know it was erect?]
Yes, chuck, don’t you know? Your writing a blog daring to criticize a woman=violence against women.
Just accept your subservience, men, or else, if you dare question your female overlords, it is violence against women!
“Yes, chuck, don’t you know? Your writing a blog daring to criticize a woman=violence against women. ”
Yeah, he doesn’t get that being a readhead doesn’t give you enough victim credo to outvictim a woman oppressed by the white supremacist patriarchy.
Emotional nincompoop oblivious of his own privileged ass.
Namae Nanka, why are you going after chuck? I was being facetiously humorous towards him to spite the feminazis. Don’t be that guy.
@Susan
In fact, the whole of the article was meant to cause white feminists to remember that a woman of color is more likely to be subject to victim-blaming. It’s an attempt to remember women of color who often get left out in the largely white world of feminist blogging.
The way you write obscures what you’re trying to say. I know this may be immensely difficult, but your academic training has taught you to write in such a way that you gloss over or encode your point.
There’s no end of criticism of this style of writing. It exists only among left-wing ivory-tower activists (they can’t honestly be called scholars). If the above is what you meant, you could have said that. Instead, you sugar-coated the pill so dramatically that the original ingredients were lost.
Post-modern “discourse” has been thoroughly discredited.You would advance the cause of feminism by miles instead of inches by speaking plainly, ma’am.
And if you’re after creds, I have a minor in women’s studies from a big Ivy school as well two science degrees; I was incubated during the PC wars of the 90′s, and I was a card-carrying Feminist of the male persuasion. I also work in journalism, and if you knew what utter contempt the world of reporting had for this kind of “scholarly” writing, and well-deserved contempt, I might add, you’d not be so quick to jump up and defend it, which is what your instincts are telling you to do right now.
Say what you mean, and say it clearly. Then your point can be evaluated on its merits immediately. All else is bafflegab and blarney.
Further, “violence against women” from the quote you use DOES NOT EQUAL rape. Rape is one form of violence against women. Victim-blaming is another form. Discrimination in the workplace is another form. Cat calling is another form.
More obfuscation. I suspect not deliberate on your part, it’s likely instinctive for you.
Discrimination and cat-calling are to violence against women as ascorbic acid and meat protein is to arsenic.
Sure, they’re both chemical structures.
But conflating them on any level renders the more serious levels meaningless.
I’m sure you don ‘t see this.
Conflating them is this: Trivializing the worst; making the lightest seem fsr more serious than they are.
This is a political ploy to acquire more moral authority, and hence, more power. It’s naked.
Don’t think this isn’t obvious.
This is one of the cardinal weaknesses of the modern Post-Modernist feminist arguments. They deliberately cloud debates with meaningless definitions, rendered so meaningless that the public can never accept them.
Radicals need to remain grounded in hard reality. This is why feminists on the radical edge seem to out to lunch – their arguments have stretched reason the very edge and snapped it.
Fear not – this isn’t unique to feminism. It’s a common argumentation strategy on the left, and it’s why many left-arguments are fundamentally irrational. Once you’ve defined everything to your personal convenience, you can wish away the moon and the stars if you feel like it.
Almost all radical lefty thought is sophistry. It’s why radical leftists are treated as contemptible fakes by outsiders. Dismiss this is you want – but here are some parallels:
The Republicans are more right-wing than the Dems. The Nazis were right-wing, compared to the Western democracies. Therefore, the Republicans are our Nazis. I’ve seen equivalents of this argument all over the left, especially among feminists. The whorish apologia of Islamic ideology is a shocking – and self-destructive – aspect of modern Feminism. I’ve been all over the Arab world. I’ve interviewed Arab scholars. I guarantee you this: Every feminist in the west will be crucified or gang-raped and then buried up to her head in sand and stoned to death if these Muslims get their way. Islam will target feminists first, as soon as they have political power. And yet, left-feminists like the ones that run Feministing have delusions that the real enemy is the West.
This is a universal tendency of radical leftist movements .They have a tendency to misread potential allies on purpose.
The flaw isn’t a superficial thing. It’s a basic flaw of reasoning based on “action” politics dating back a hundred years. It’s peculiarly Marxist. It’s not just about factionalism.
Post-modern verbiage and sophistry is nothing more than an attempt to cloud debate and acquire political voice at the expense of enemies.
This is why you encounter such resistance. People’s minds resist.
It’s also why the vast majority of women think your brand of radical feminism is more or less irrelevant or embarrassing. They sense and feel the weakness of the argumentation methodology.
Your reaction is to dismiss this. That’s fine. It’s one of the keys to this mode of thought – don’t permit questions of basic assumptions. Always press for the Moral Authority.
I suffered through a decade of this before a fee key moments shattered the glass.
The Left is intellectually bankrupt, and the rot goes to the very core. It’s spent 40 years scrambling, and post-modern discourse is a big part of the reason for its collapse.
This forsakes actual
So when I say these systems of power produce violence against women, I am referring to the daily forms of both subtle and overt violence women face. You’re oversimplifying in your restatement because you don’t understand the terms of the conversation.
Gak, no, in fact he understands it perfectly. It’s you that isn’t following the clear implications of the debate within the given terms.
Your point is either utterly meaningless (“Systems of power cause abuse” – D’uh. ever been to China or ancient Sumeria or any group of people with more than one member?), conflating everything into a meaningless mush, or it’s disingenuous and meant to create moral equivalency which is obviously false.
Which is it?
Please. Your arguments are far less sophisticated than you think. You can pull the wool over your own eyes, but not all of your readers’.
Also to the dude commenting before me: What lefty feminist things we have to excuse rape to maintain alliances? I mean, WHAT? This is not a thing. Like, I know lefty feminists, and though I myself am a moderate feminist, I don’t know anyone who would argue that we should excuse rape to maintain alliances.
You seemed to suggest this. I would suggest clearer language. Parsed, even after I read your explanation, this still seems to be what you’re saying. Consider that.
I agree that more feminists should be taking Quanell X to task for his victim blaming — I’d love to see the articles you’re pointing to where he engages in it.
My God, how about all of his quotes? Geez, it’s ubiquitous, you need to be deaf and blind not to notice. Selective reading?
The only thing I read from him was the quote I used where he said there were probably more attackers than just these men, which was not victim blaming so much as pointing out that this little girl had been subject to additional sexual violence that was going unreported and unpunished. If you could send me some links to show me how he’s victim blaming, I can write something next week about it.
Look the guy up on Wikipedia.
I just want the conversation to include race. That doesn’t mean excusing any behaviors because of it. Which I think is what the whole of my article says, even though that’s a more subtle point than you’re portraying me as making.
So subtle is nearly escapes notice, ma’am.
Do you pussy-foot this delicately around every subject?
Susan—
Yes it is, when it’s real forced rape. Not when it’s rad feminist bs date rape that they gotten through on many college campuses, where feminists call a girl’s tipsy willing sex rape if she later reports it as such because she was drunk but was conscious and could walk and talk, perhaps to not look slutty to her girl friends or like the cheater she was to her boyfriend, or because she’s pissed that he didn’t call her for a follow up date or hookup, or talked about it. That non rape was her responsibility and to the extent there’s anyone to blame that female “victim” is the one who should be.
What a laugh riot. You and your ideology is a joke. Blaming is not violence. As well so called female “victims” often are party or more to blame. Here the 11 yo’s parents seems quite a bit to blame, given her apparently customary behavior of dressing and wearing makeup like a 20 something looking to get picked up, and habitually drinking and hanging out with late teenaged black boys. They should have know about this very slutty and provocative behavior for an11 yo and put an end to it. That of course doesn’t excuse the statutory rape by this multiple number of much older black men.
Ridiculous. Everything wrong is not violence. There’s much more discrimination against men especially white men in the workplace than women. White men are much easier to fire than women due to way overbroad assumptions of discrimination when women are at near quota levels of representation. When it goes the other way and men are the minority as in e.g. nursing, it’s still at least as easy to fire men. Further EEOC “disparate impact” tests for discrimination are wholly illegitimate. It assumes women will be just as good at men in all lines of work, which isn’t true. Women who wish to be firefighters cannot on average carry as heavy a person out of a buring and smoke filled building while wearing heavy protective equipment and it takes more women to man a high pressure fire hose. And so on.
Violence? Lolzzzllz. Mild annoyance for some, a day brightening compliment in the ears of other women. This is too absurd a claim to further dignify with a rebuttal.
You and your ideology are a self parody.
@Susan,
While crass and disrespectful and therefore easy to dismiss, what Doug1 says is fundamentally correct.
Conflation for power and moral authority looks good on paper. In reality, few people, women included, buy in to your ideological definitions. You must ask yourself why this is the case.
Saying “Tihs is all violence against women” is exactly like saying that “All matter is composed of particles” and then trying to discuss chemical reactions using the most broad of definitions.
[Chuck: It's reductive. Good point Gorb.]
A violent rape in which a stranger holds a woman down and forces her to have sex, and might even kill her, is of little relation to a rape where two drunk college students have voluntary sex, and the next morning, both in a haze of mystery, go on with their lives, only to have just one party of the drunken fumbling (the woman ) call it rape because her friends found out what she did three days later (this is an actual case someone I knew got tarred with in 1993). You can debate the merits of the case, legally, but to conflate the two of these as the same type of event is to
- insult the victim of the first crime in the most disgusting and horrible manner, and
- insult the so-called “perpetrator” in the second case by conflating his guilt with that of a violent sociopath.
In the same manner, calling “catcalling” violence against women and forcible rape another instance of violence against women means everything is violence against women and our categories are now so broad that we can’t talk about anything clearly.
Sure, human and duck-billed platypuses are mammals. But there’s a world of difference, continents and millions of years of evolution that can’t be discussed unless you start breaking those differences down and categorizing.
This is what normal people reject when they read post-modernist feminist arguments.
Do you not get it?
I suspect you won’t. For the last 15 years, feminist ideology has depended on equating a casual insult thrown by a bitter ex-lover (“Slut!”) with violent attacks by sociopaths (rape).
You can pull that sophistry with the in-crowd of back-slapping feminist groupies, but people free to think independently don’t fall for this tripe.
A word to the wise: The gig was up with this kind of argument around 1996. It’s why feminist theory has become less and less relevant to actual debates as time’s gone on. It’s become more and more about raw power, with less and less feminist justification for it – because no one buys it any more.
As in the 1970′s, when empiricism was deliberately assaulted by the then-invented post-modern “all is true” flapablabble, the Academy is going to have to come up with something new to bury common sense and personal responsibility.
The old illusions/delusions are wearing thin.
Susan–
If you want the conversation about the crime of rape to include race, then one would think a place to start would be what the Dept. of Justice’s crime statistics show about the prevalence of rape in the black and white communities.
Blacks commit rape 4x as often as whites per capita, and commit interracial rape more than 100x as often per capita.
A first I thought Susan was going to talk intelligently about race and then I read further along in her comment and realized I was wrong.
[Chuck: I thought the same thing when I came across her post. I thought "finally, a feminist who is going to shoot straight on this." But no. It was almost like the scene you see in movies where a person is told that they're going to be driven to a certain place and then they look up and realize that they're about 40 miles out of the way and they say "hey, where are we going?". That's how I felt reading Susan's post.]
Gorbachev–
The second type of case is not criminal rape in any state of the united states. The standard which applies to intoxication is generally incapacity. That includes not just being passed out but also being too incoherent to know what’s going on or to say no.
It DOES NOT INCLUDE having lowered inhibitions otherwise known as altered judgment. Probably a majority of first time sex with a new partner in America occurs when both have been drinking.
What the radical feminist campus codes do, and are designed to due, is to massively shift hookup and dating power by severely punishing men with expulsion and a trashed record, anytime a woman regrets having sex with him after the fact, and prefers to see him punished (cause most or all men are potentially rapists and evil and do worse next time she’s been propagandized by feminists to believe) to having her own reputation trashed as a slut or cheater. Never mind the fact that she is in fact responsible for those actions, which she did enthusiastically at the time.
Susan,
Cat-calling is not a form of violence and saying that makes you look stupid. It can at times be mildly annoying, that’s about it. Speaking as a woman in her mid thirties, trust me, you will miss it when you are no longer the woman they are paying attention to.
Gorbachev–
Yes I’ll cop to sometimes expressing disrespect for arguments which plainly deserve no respect.
Susan isn’t going to be converted anytime soon. My arguments were for others reading here.
I now see Doug already made the same point about cat calling, so I agree with him.
@doug1,
Susan has an emotional stake in not challenging any of her core assumptions, among them the means by which she arrives at the conclusions she does.
Her style of argumentation is heavy on sophistry. This is true of the left in general. The whole point is to acquire persuasive power, mostly through emotional and moral authority, not to make a point that can stand up to rigorous analysis. In fact, rigor is seen as a weakness in this form of debate.
I know I won’t convert her. But in the back of her mind, she knows I have a strong point. It nags at her. it bother her when she lets herself think about it.
I know this because I work with this type of person every day, and I listen to what they say – and don’t say – when they’re not on guard.
White women who talk like this are rarely able to be honest with each other about race, for example. They’re the world’s greatest hypocrites. It gets worse as they get deeper into their own systems; they become disconnected from actual reality.
This is why the reality for black people in this country is so utterly incomprehensible for liberals and left-leaning activists. Actual solutions escape them completely.
Left to their own devices, the left will see black America wallow in its own filth more or less forever. And the tragic thing is that they don’t believe this.
Doug1, Gorbachev, and Lara, thank you for having common sense.
I still think the only solution to feminism is to stop protecting people as a general rule. Disband police forces, stop patrolling university areas, etc. I truly do think the only way many of these miserable bitches will every get knocked into reality is if black thug violence continuously attacks them, until it is impossible for them to rationalize it away or die in the attacks. I advocate allowing black rapists to roam freely in feminist strong holds, and deliberately releasing gang rapists into feminist areas.
PS when we stop protecting them as a society, those who are worthy of protection—e.g. non-feminist women, black men who aren’t niggers—will naturally adhere to those white men with balls who will protect them/integrate them. Men will gladly be chivalrous when a woman is deserving of it, and accepting when the new guy wants to integrate and be productive.
But the police force as a whole has been a major creator and incubator of feminism, very unexpectedly and very unintentionally.
I sincerely hope that”Susan” at “Hey Ladies” gets gang raped by a group of black thugs. Nothing could be more fitting for such a white male hating bitch.
Shockingly, even this wouldn’t undo the psychosis:
http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2010/05/17/april-2010-stupid-girl-of-the-month/
Feminists can’t attack minorities because they are part of the same voting coalition of ‘grievance based’ ideology. The thugs have a tough case ahead of them as they retardedly videoed & photographed their actions. They have little to no defense against stat rape and charges of holding a minor against their will. I do find it interesting Quannell X thinks ‘other’ men may have had contact with (what a euphemism for rape) that 11 year old. He must be under the delusion inspired by TV ads that all groups of friends have 2 black friends. No way is a random white guy joining in on a 20 black male gang rape in a part of town that is heavily black & nicknamed the precinct.
whorefinder, I have you tell you that you sound mentally disturbed. You should seriously go and talk to a professional and tell them what you’ve told us here. I’m not attacking or “trolling” you. I’m just a person concerned for your mental health.
You are right. This dead horse has been beat till there is damn near nothing left to beat. But you found a little piece so beat away!
This lady is stupid and I’ll tell you why.
First off, a group of black males raped this child.
End. Of. Story.
There is no white man or even an Hispanic man involved. All 14 men, form the video, who were arrested were black. The chances of their being a white guy or Hispanic guy in that bunch is close to none.
Since when do black , Hispanics and whites get together to rape and 11 year old girl? They don’t.
This idiot X or whatever, is just like Al Sharpton. They don’t care about the victim, black or white, but instead care about making a case for black males being victims.
I don’t support these assholes in them being singled out because the police didn’t go on a witch hunt. They more than likely got these faces from the videos and pictures they obtained from the students who showed a teacher.
Now, this lady blogger should go somewhere and kill herself.
She hates white males and needs to crawl in a hole. White people, white supremacy and patriarchal systems have nothing to do with this child and those boys/men.
Stop grasping for straws.
I’m nowhere near a full blown feminist, though I do support us having equal rights and such, I don’t believe in attacking white males or being sexist towards males. Because that’s what they are doing. Being Sexist! The same way they complain about sexism, they switch it and indeed become sexist to (white) males but that sexism is connected to racism because they single out white males and pacify all other males who they feel are under the thumb- just like women- of the white male.
It’s the most pathetic kind of feminism and I think they give feminist the worst kind of name.
This is the biggest problem with feminist and black people. THEY MAKE IT ABOUT RACE!
Never will you see them stand up against black killing blacks or women killing women but instead try to aim it all at the white man. As if he is a damn puppeteer.
So yes, I do agree with you and I think it’s time that Feminist take their lousy asses to another country.
I’m curious how they would feel in Middle Eastern Countries? Knowing them, they would probably be pleasant housewives and slaves if it didn’t involve a white male.
The town is not racist and the police are not prejudice because a group of stupid black males got together and did the unthinkable. It’s easy to say that it’s racism instead of looking at the fact that a group of black males got together and did this to a child.
Black People would never admit they are fucked up and instead of trying to get rid of these degenerates they reduce them to victims of white supremacy…
As always.
(Sorry for the long post!)
Forgive my spelling and grammar errors. I was rushing to type that one!
If there is anyone I despise on this earth, it is empty headed, sexist and racist Feminist. My aunt is a feminist and she agrees that this younger group has given the them a bad name and has taken out their frustration by tagging the “Feminist” title onto it.
Holy shit. I almost didn’t believe it until I read the original. She had the choice between condemning violence against women and its huge racial componet, or “[forming and sustaining] alliances with people of color”, and she chose this. I give up. The West is doomed.
Whenever the NAM race baiters reach a new low, somehow they find a way to go even lower.
This is beyond disgusting. Words can’t do it justice.
@OneSTDV,
You think it can’t get lower, and then you find out there’s an infinite number of markers below the water line.
Frightening.
Reminds me of the white woman, activist/volunteer, who was casually and brutally raped by a black co-worker in Haiti. She wrote a long apologia for the disgusting pig.
Apparently, his opportunistic fuck with a foreign tart he was able to swindle into being vulnerable with him and then saunter away with a grin on his face – was excusable because he’s a black man in Haiti.
Oooohh, right then. Black man can’t control himself and isn’t held responsible for his actions.
The delusions of the left really do make the political personal. Or something.
Chuck if all of those other black on white brawls set you off take a look at this gruesome one.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/internet/female-trio-busted-street-brawl-gone-viral-795843?page=1
I tried to give Susan the benefit of the doubt since she came on her in good faith, but let’s be honest, Susan ain’t too bright.
White women and black men are kindred spirits. Parasitic savages.
@ Gorbachev:
Yes, see my comment up above in this thread where I linked to that very article.
Wow. Has no one yet asked if these men were raised in single mom homes on this thread either? Perhaps we still don’t need to, eh?
The Feminists have created their own predators. Men should let women deal with them. If we do, women will figure it out, as they have in the past.
“whorefinder” was way out of line and I hope his behavior didn’t drive miss Susan away from this corner of the ‘sphere forever. Since she actually came here to read the post, she’s already shown that she’s more willing than most to entertain other views.
Anyway, I’ve been looking around and apparently this is sort of thing may actually be some kind of ritual. I’ve read a couple of other accounts from black men that described basically the same thing. They trap some girl in a secluded area and gang-rape her with their extended circle of friends. After that she’s so psychologically broken that she basically becomes their sex slave for life.
I can’t believe I didn’t notice Susan was posting here. But of course someone had to scare her away—you know who I mean.
Anyway, at least we have this comment by her: “I just want the conversation to include race. That doesn’t mean excusing any behaviors because of it.”
Well, that’s a good start. And now that the conversation includes race, we can talk about how blacks are so much more likely to commit rape than whites, right? And we can start warning women to racially profile for their own safety?
(And the less said about cat-calling as “violence,” the better.)
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“Oooohh, right then. Black man can’t control himself and isn’t held responsible for his actions.”
She was accepting a black man’s retribution for white man’s crimes, she sacrificed herself for correcting the wrongs of her race. She is a martyr, an infinitely more moral being than the scum posting here. lalalala
“You can debate the merits of the case, legally, but to conflate the two of these as the same type of event is to
- insult the victim of the first crime in the most disgusting and horrible manner, and
- insult the so-called “perpetrator” in the second case by conflating his guilt with that of a violent sociopath.”
Or if you reverse engineer this thinking, these women can’t differentiate between the outrage for the two. Add if to the delusions above, and if they had been living in times where the supreme authority told them to laugh a rape away, they’d have been following that dictum to its conclusion.
So it makes you wonder if the outrage is in some part not feigned or at least learned from what men feel. Makes you wonder a lot of things.
To pummel the point, these weren’t black men.
These were men raised in fatherless homes, single mother homes, Feminist Dream homes.
These men weren’t “tools of the patriarchy”. They are the sons of the Matriarchy.
It isn’t enough to refuse delivery of this shame. Lay it on the proper doorstep.
[Chuck: Great point.]
I was wondering when the video that Chris posted would show up here.
[Chuck: I wrote a post on that video 4 days ago. It's called BBB.]
Interesting comment from one poster there:
1. “All those people are a disgrace to both their races. You can tell the white woman was on drugs and the white guy probably was, too. They were too messed up to go into the house and shut the door. And the white woman was just asking for it.”
Those who feel that a “woman asking for it” is absolutely wrong, would be the same people who would be advocating and laughing at violence against a man in the same position.
Secondly, “victim”-blaming is real, but so is the “perpetrator”-blaming. For a “she’s a slut, must have been asking for it”, there’s “he’s an asshole, he must have done it”. But a woman’s history can’t make it to the courts, while a man’s can.
“I don’t see how the commenters who defended her actions could think she was an innocent white victim. After all, she was acting and talking so much like her black neighbors, that alone night have been enough to tick them off. ”
Those who don’t find fault with violence against men by women even try to give good reasons for it. (cue lorena bobbitt, susan falls)
And woman can run off her mouth, but a man should never touch her.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/09/tennis_brawl.html
The best quote from it:
“So what went so wrong in the stands that it drove a Long Island woman to slap a Murray Hill twentysomething?”
Which brings us to the following:
2. “Well, if she didn’t want what she got, then she should have shut up gone inside and called the cops if she felt threatened. That’s just common sense. ”
But then what about teaching men how to respect women and “men can stop rape” and “take back the night”?
The same attitude applies when a woman hits a man, only now the man is first of all, not supposed to feel threatened, and a man is supposed to restrain her or wait for help to arrive if he can’t run away, but not hit her back.
If he does, well he is a not a real man, but all sort of sociopath who goes around hitting women.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41955135/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
No telling a woman that she can’t parade half-naked and titillating a group of drunken men, no telling a woman that she shouldn’t hit a man, but an unconditional license to do whatever they want without the reprecussions.
Which of course means no hitting a woman(restrain her), no groping a woman(which makes restraining a bit difficult) and of course, no cat-calls too, that’s VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN!!!
That’s why chuck I found your article against muslim men amusing; the real reason why they look so far away from sanity is because you are living amongst insane and no matter how good you are, it will rub off on you.
I posted the link to Sailer’s commentary over at Susan’s post, but she removed it.
“These men weren’t “tools of the patriarchy”. They are the sons of the Matriarchy.”
hell yeah, that’s a good one.
Here’s another good quote:
“My ex is Jewish. My kids are Jewish. Morning minyan is the only place men can go to get away from the women and that’s only because the women are still in bed. Judaism is a Matriarchy disguised as a Patriarchy. Jewish women obey no one – not their husbands, not their God. They are in many ways the mold for the type of women American society is producing.”
Hi Chuck,
I don’t quite know what to make of your latest crusade here; regardless of what the Black community does or doesn’t do, it seems quite clear to me that this is a legal matter at this point, and it will be resolved along those channels. As for Quanell X, it appears that he was ousted from the NOI for making unauthorized and inflammatory statements in the past. It seems to me that he has little authority with which to speak to the issues involved.
As for the question of White feminists and Black ones, I have addressed this particular issue on my blog; clearly, there isn’t a strong an “alliance” as one might be led to believe. If anything the record, to this day shows, that there is a heck of a lot of an “alliance” on major issues. Feminism tends to be framed and promoted by middle to upper middle class White Women; their Black sisters got the bennies almost by default.
If on the off chance you are hoping or wishing that somehow the Black community will somehow “do something” wrt crime and the like, I think you will be sorely disappointed. As I’ve said to you several times at this point, there is nothing the Black community can do to prevent crime anymore than the White one. This is an issue for law enforecement, and by all accounts they have and continue to do their jobs.
[Chuck: Yes there is Obsidian. They can start by purging themselves of the victim mentality, and they can stop spreading it to their children. And your response is such a cop out. Take a fucking stand. Admit that the feminists are operating on a double-standard. Admit that the black community loves a guy like Quanell X. Admit that if anyone is blaming any victim here it is the black community and they aren't doing it because the patriarchy forced them to.
Asking, hoping or wishing for anything else, is a Fool's Errand.
[Chuck: Since nothing else will come out of it, I'm content rubbing black people's nose in the big giant shit they've left on the floor.]
O.
PS: I also find the whole “who rapes more” debate a silly one, much for the same reasons noted above; Black Men may indeed rape more, but they are also locked up and convicted more, too – which again goes to prove my point, that law enforcement is doing its job. And that’s what really matters in the end.
[Chuck: I'd like you to address my rebuttal on this one instead of disappearing into the Internet ether. You've made this argument countless times, and I've responded countless times. Law enforcement's "job" is one thing; it's "function" is another. A better scenario is one where these crimes are *prevented* rather than punished. Surely crime prevention is the greater purpose of law enforcment. Crime punishment is bitter-sweet because a crime has already occurred. Obsidian, you're trying to wiggle out of this one.]
Chris,
Your video is a good example of what poor whites have to deal with everyday.
[Chuck: Yes there is Obsidian. They can start by purging themselves of the victim mentality, and they can stop spreading it to their children.
O: They? They who? I'm Black and I know lots and lots of Black people, who do no such thing. So, I'm afraid you're going to have to be a bit more precise.
C: And your response is such a cop out. Take a fucking stand. Admit that the feminists are operating on a double-standard.
O: I thought I did in my comments above, about how there really is no such "alliance" between them and their Black sisters? Moreover, this is documented and easily researched online - though not likely to be found on YouTube, I'm afraid.
C: Admit that the black community loves a guy like Quanell X.
O: I hadn't even heard of the guy until you brought him up the other day. I doubt many Black folks have either.
C: Admit that if anyone is blaming any victim here it is the black community and they aren't doing it because the patriarchy forced them to.
O: I honestly don't think the Black community on a whole is even aware of the situation.
O: Asking, hoping or wishing for anything else, is a Fool's Errand.
[Chuck: Since nothing else will come out of it, I'm content rubbing black people's nose in the big giant shit they've left on the floor.]
O: Have at it; as I’ve said, it’s a Fool’s Errand. Like you said, nothing will come of it.
PS: I also find the whole “who rapes more” debate a silly one, much for the same reasons noted above; Black Men may indeed rape more, but they are also locked up and convicted more, too – which again goes to prove my point, that law enforcement is doing its job. And that’s what really matters in the end.
[Chuck: I'd like you to address my rebuttal on this one instead of disappearing into the Internet ether.
O: I did address it; that you don't like how I did, is not a problem I can nor should try to solve.
C: You've made this argument countless times, and I've responded countless times. Law enforcement's "job" is one thing; it's "function" is another. A better scenario is one where these crimes are *prevented* rather than punished. Surely crime prevention is the greater purpose of law enforcment. Crime punishment is bitter-sweet because a crime has already occurred. Obsidian, you're trying to wiggle out of this one.]
O: No, I’m not. What I find to be disengenuous on the part of those who proffer the “who rapes more?” argument/question, is the fact that they never get around to mentioning the that the perps ARE indeed apprehended and severely punished for their crimes – and rightly so. The way its framed it implies that such perps are committing such crimes with impunity, and it is my view that we point out the facts of the matter so that everything is kept in its proper perspective.
But since you want to go on and on about crime prevention, we can look at the very same DOJ crime data that those who proffer the “who rapes more?” argument loves to refer to, and note that violent crimes of all kinds has actually gone DOWN since the early 1990s, AND CONTINUES TO FALL. Moreover, as evolutionary psychologist Steven Pinker has demonstrated (look it up on your blesses YouTube), violent crimes is at its lowest point in the whole of human history, and that includes things such as wars. Perspective, Chuckie Little. Perspective.
Holla back
O.
“they can stop spreading it to their children”
The is a prevalent attitude in black kids that attend majority white schools. Not all of them have it though.
On a side note, where is PA? I miss his comments.
Obsidian,
It is very common for black children, often at a young age, to blame their problems on white oppression. I’ve heard it myself. One black boy got in trouble at the school my mom works at and he said, “Man, I’m in a white school now.”
Lara,
Are you sure this is hard data you are basing your comments on, or that of one Black boy you happened to know of? How would your relatives think of your statements here? Get a grip.
O.
Obsidian,
black kids always cop out when they get in trouble by blaming The Man. and their parents reinforce it.
Chuck,
And I suppose your “evidence” is the erudite YouTube?
LOL
Come on, Chuck. You can do better than that.
O.
I don’t want to get sucked into a troll debate but this Obsidian comment was priceless…
PS: I also find the whole “who rapes more” debate a silly one, much for the same reasons noted above; Black Men may indeed rape more, but they are also locked up and convicted more, too – which again goes to prove my point, that law enforcement is doing its job. And that’s what really matters in the end.
- You find it a silly debate because no amount of twisted logic works on that one. It does matter. Why does one rape more than the other? If we could figure that one out, maybe there wouldn’t be a need to lock black men up. That’s why they get locked up more; they rape more. I bet rape victims feel comforted that rapists are caught and locked up by law enforcement doing their job, but wouldn’t it be excellent for all involved, especially the rape victims, if people could, I don’t know, not rape other people? Finding out a root cause of that would be beneficial to all involved.
Didn’t David Horowitz (look him up) do a thorough job of exposing the Black Panther party in the 60s as just a bunch of self-interested thugs, and that the manner in which the Left ignored or embraced their crimes (including murder) led him to part with the left. And Horowitz was from a family of leftists, so by him leaving means they are up to some very shady doings.
Feminism is a cult. Orthodoxy requires brainwashing, and today they may be in league with the black ‘community’ but make no mistake, the cult will one day eat its own. Best to avoid feminists completely.
Lara 03/13/2011 at 2:18 pm
It is very common for black children, often at a young age, to blame their problems on white oppression.
And very common for whitey to enable this mentality out of guilt, fear or liberal moral oneupmanship.
SWPL whitey has no problem finding ways to blame Bad Whitey for any failure or poor behavior by anybody non-White anywhere on planet earth, or outer space for that matter.
And on the other side Asians will blame themselves for getting an A- on a test and end up being found hanging in their closet.
On so many HBD/behavioral/cognitive issues Asians and sub Saharan descended blacks are on the opposite sides of the scale, on average.
Why can’t I find the names of the perpetrators anywhere?
Part of the marxist feminst ideology is an ethnic marxist ideology which says that European men(especially Celtic and Germanic men) are the oppressors and women and other non-European ethnic groups are the oppressed. European caucasian feminists like Susan believe they should unite with other “oppressed” groups, like blacks, to fight those European Male “oppressors”. This is why Susan writes about a “system of power that is both patriarchal and white supremacist.” Feminists see themselves as united with blacks as they attack the majority European American peoples in the USA. It is a justicfication for racial hatred, racial violence, and genocide of European society.
This combination of marxist feminism and ethnic marxism is an ideology that promotes the destruction and genocide of European men and their societies.
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Hello SOBL,
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SOBL: You find it a silly debate because no amount of twisted logic works on that one. It does matter. Why does one rape more than the other? If we could figure that one out, maybe there wouldn’t be a need to lock black men up. That’s why they get locked up more; they rape more. I bet rape victims feel comforted that rapists are caught and locked up by law enforcement doing their job, but wouldn’t it be excellent for all involved, especially the rape victims, if people could, I don’t know, not rape other people? Finding out a root cause of that would be beneficial to all involved.
O: No, the real reason why discussions like this take place is because White guys like yourself wanrt to latch on to anything with which to let yourselves off the hook for being lumped in on the same side as those who run everything (in other words, White Males). You are not interested in justice, but rather ideology; you are no different from the feminists who you and your ilk decry. Just different sides of the same coin.
Perhaps you missed this part of my response to Chuck (which I notice, he has yet to respond; funny that):
“No, I’m not. What I find to be disengenuous on the part of those who proffer the “who rapes more?” argument/question, is the fact that they never get around to mentioning the that the perps ARE indeed apprehended and severely punished for their crimes – and rightly so. The way its framed it implies that such perps are committing such crimes with impunity, and it is my view that we point out the facts of the matter so that everything is kept in its proper perspective.
But since you want to go on and on about crime prevention, we can look at the very same DOJ crime data that those who proffer the “who rapes more?” argument loves to refer to, and note that violent crimes of all kinds has actually gone DOWN since the early 1990s, AND CONTINUES TO FALL. Moreover, as evolutionary psychologist Steven Pinker has demonstrated (look it up on your blesses YouTube), violent crimes is at its lowest point in the whole of human history, and that includes things such as wars. Perspective, Chuckie Little. Perspective.”
Please do feel free to address that which I actually said? It appears clear at this juncture that Chuckie will not.
O.
And lest anyone get it twisted, here’s is what I meant when I said that clearly, White and Black feminists aren’t as thick as the proverbial thieves:
Femme-fights: ‘feminists, womanists’ battle across racial lines
http://zora-alice.com/2010/04/femme-fights-feminists-womanists-battle-across-racial-lines/
Here’s my take on the whole ball of wax here:
The Season Of The Sistahood’s Dis(sed)content
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/11/30/the-season-of-the-sistahoods-dissedcontent/
Holla back
O.
This reminds me of that article back during the Haiti disaster…”We are not your weapons-we are women” article. The one by the white “Malcolm-X scholar that was raped in Haiti and she did not blame her attacker, but blamed the white patriarchy. Some shit about the black male plight and how the black male’s anger is misdirected toward women…thus giving her black male attacker as well as all black males an excuse for rape or any other crime committed.
I always wondered if that article was a fake, but I never really looked and at this time I have not found anything saying it is a fake.
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/23/we-are-not-your-weapons-we-are-women/
Wow. I mean, what can you even say to a “woman” who says that cat-calling is violence against women? I am a peace-loving guy, but that comment really inspires me to want to backhand that stupid c*nt and send her to Somalia for a few years.
whorefinder did not chase susan away – she is a typical feminist/leftist in that she never intended to actually read rebuttals and respond to them. to do so would result in a humiliating defeat of her non-logic. she prefers to drop a few doo-doo bombs of kindergarten logic, then skip away and never face the consequences. I have noticed that NO liberal/feminist/black activist will EVER face an intelligent opponent in a fair debate. because their points are all intellectually bankrupt bullshit that only works on emotionally-driven children.
Knocking down feminists makes an easy pastime when you distort all their arguments into strawman imitations, isn’t it?
[Chuck: I wouldn't know. I'm shooting fish in a barrel with their arguments prima facie.]
My favorite one here’s got to be how nonviolent rape isn’t “real” rape. It’s just so much easier to pretend that taking advantage of girls and women isn’t wrong, right? They just feel *guilty,* not violated or anything. Heck, you can even pretend they enjoyed it. Besides, they were sluts anyhow, huh?
[Chuck: "Rape" is a blanket term. We tend to be a little more precise with our language here. I think you would admit that a man deserves a less severe punishment for having sex with a drunk woman who didn't say "No" compared to a man who had forcible sex with a 10 year-old while she was trying to fight him off. Also, your definition of consent doesn't address a metaphysical issue. When does a person objecitvely acquire consent? When are they developed enough to make that decision? The law says various things in various states and countries, but surely not all humans reach this point at the same age. And you're creating your own straw man by claiming that we think that a "slut" who was raped deserved it.]
If you tell yourself that rapists are just scary guys that hide in the bushes, you get to tell yourself what an upstanding citizen you are for *not* doing that. Hey, you can even add extra insulating layers between yourself and the crime if you say that it’s mostly ‘those black guys’ that commit these horrible crimes.
[Chuck: You say that as if we shouldn't have any insulating layers at all even though we've never raped anyone. But the most dangerous rapists are the ones who hide in the bushes. They are much more dangerous than the frat guy who has hazy drunken sex with a girl who didn't explicitly say "Yes". And it is 'those black guys' that commit these crimes in much higher ratios than anyone else. And in the case of the New York Times article, it was the black community members who weren't taken to task for excusing those 18, and it was precisely because the black community has attained Most Protected Victim status. So if you cared about tackling rape and 'rape culture' you should address black cultures which feature plenty of misogyny, victim-blaming, and excuse-making for perpetrators. Whites don't have that victim crutch so they are less able to perpetuate this sort of culture.
But the fact that a few of you can seriously say that you hope Susan gets gang raped proves that you are perfectly willing to perpetuate this kind of behavior. For me, the real icing on the cake is that the rest of you call this as bad rhetoric, rather than the disgusting, hate-filled sludge that such a threat is.
[Chuck: As you note his rhetoric was criticized. I typically don't call people disgusting. That's just not my style. Also, I don't really empathize with a hypothetical Susan getting hypothetically raped. Nothing against Susan; I just can't trump up pseudo-sympathy for something that didn't and hopefully won't happen. So I don't say "OMG whorefinder how can you say that?" But the point was that Susan sits around and wants to delve into serious topics about rape by trumping up some argument about how there is a bias against Hispanic women yadda yadda yadda which perpetuates rape culture when instead she could look at certain features of the perpetrators and address issues within that community. She wants to deny the complicty of black culture and the black community in all of this and blame the white patriarchy instead.]
I know most people won’t hear me, but I’m saying it as clearly as I can.
[Chuck: Well, I'm hearing you much more than the other side has heard or acknowledged me. So take that for what it's worth. I raised legitimate points about feminists' total mishandling of this case and not one has yet to address Quanell X or the black community which could incubate a place where 18 young men felt like they were able to get away with having sex with an 11 year-old. None even addressed that Quanell X *showed the girl's Facebook pictures*. Not one feminist discussed the fact that the town was racially divided into a largely black camp that sought to exonerate the 18. Why?]
Flick,
Try to rigorously define ‘take advantage of’ – treating it with the seriousness called for when the penalty is a 15 year prison term – and I’ll bet you’ll begin to see the problem.
Ecclesiastes,
Most rapists (the ones everyone here would likely term violent *and* those that we’re disagreeing about) rarely recieve a quarter of that sentence. I agree that fifteen years is much too long to go to jail for what may be a mistake. However, that doesn’t make what happened not rape.
Personally, I think the answer is to encourage society to see situations like the one discussed as serious as well, and to actually care about victims. If it was clear that taking advantage of anyone who may not be able to consent (say, due to being drunk) is completely *not cool,* then we’d see these kind of rapes decrease.
I hope that better explains what I mean?
Flick’s comment is so hysterical and ridiculous I’d probably think it was parody if I hadn’t already seen that many feminists actually believe that crap.
Flick, we hear you, it’s just that you’re making about as much sense as a bum on the street corner ranting about being abducted by aliens.
We don’t rape. Stop blaming us for rape. Blame the rapists.
“If it was clear that taking advantage of anyone who may not be able to consent (say, due to being drunk) is completely *not cool,* then we’d see these kind of rapes decrease.”
What makes you think that this is not already clear? I spent at least 6 hours my freshman year of college having it pounded into my head that taking advantage of drunk girls is not cool (and also illegal). And I knew that well before I went to college, just like everyone else.
You’re targeting the wrong people. Nobody thinks rape is okay. The people who rape know that it’s not okay, but they do it anyway. No amount of “awareness” is going to stop them. They’re sociopaths.
Mike,
That’s exactly what I’m talking about, though I’m apparently too “hysterical” to take seriously. My entire point was that it’s so much easier to say that you have nothing to do with the problem of rape than it is to own up and realize that there just aren’t enough strangers hiding in darkened alleys to account for these rapes.
[Chuck: Sort of like my treatment at "Shakesville" where someone linked to my post and cited *one* passage where I didn't preach the monolithic rape mantra (the one that posits that sexual assault = drunk sex = consensual statuatory rape = forcible rape) and ignored my entire point which mirrors Mike's up above and leveled all sorts of charges against me in order to diminish my point? If you care about curtailing rape stop raging against this bogeyman of "rape culture" which assumes some sort of trickle-down effect wherein rape apology somehow compels men to rape women. If you want to attack a culture that condones rape, *then go straight to the culture that doesn't properly punish rape*. Start with Quanell X and rap music. There are rapists out there, but they surely aren't discussing the issue on the internet.]
And as for why I think this is not taken seriously, well, the fact that some people here appear to believe that violence against and sexually taking advantage of drunk women is not rape appears to be a good start. You’re willing to recognize it as wrong, but why is it that feminists are ‘hysterical’ if we call it rape?
Of course, I am writing this on a site that’s very nearly condoned the gang rape of a woman just because people here don’t like what she said. I don’t know how you can fail to see what’s wrong with that, and how much it shows about your (meaning this group as a whole, not just you) beliefs.
[Chuck: I'm the proprietor of the site. Where did I say anything like that? Almost everyone here told 'whorefinder' that he was wrong.]
Flick,
You’re a coward. You punted. You didn’t even *try*, probably because you already know what kind of epic failure you’d have had.
You dodged behind the irrelevant issues of violent rapists, sentencing, and prison administration, ducking and weaving to evade the question which MUST be answered for your position to have relevance. You cared not a whit for those innocents to be destroyed for your angst over being taken ‘advantage’ of.
I have my own private definition for ‘evil’. I think ‘evil’ has to appear good while destroying the people practicing it.
You want to know why no one cares about the ‘taken advantage of’? It’s because of evil people like you.
“My entire point was that it’s so much easier to say that you have nothing to do with the problem of rape than it is to own up and realize that there just aren’t enough strangers hiding in darkened alleys to account for these rapes.”
It’s easier because it’s true. I have nothing to do with the problem of rape. What about you? Is it your fault?
“And as for why I think this is not taken seriously, well, the fact that some people here appear to believe that violence against and sexually taking advantage of drunk women is not rape appears to be a good start.”
Nobody said that. You’re arguing with your own fever-dreams.
“You’re willing to recognize it as wrong, but why is it that feminists are ‘hysterical’ if we call it rape?”
Rape is rape. Taking advantage of a drunk girl is rape.
“Of course, I am writing this on a site that’s very nearly condoned the gang rape of a woman just because people here don’t like what she said.”
One person said that, and others condemned him for it. You’re being hysterical. Sandra Bernhard publicly wished for Sarah Palin to be gang raped, but I don’t attribute her sentiments to her audience, or to all ugly liberal Jewish comediennes.
[Chuck: A+]
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I am a feminist who is filled with disgust towards that race-pandering twit, Susan, for having the temerity to agree with the Black racist misogynist who smeared an innocent eleven year old Hispanic girl’s reputation by claiming that she invited the revolting attentions of her gang rapists
I am offended beyond belief at this ninny picking up Quannell X’s implication that there HAD to be White offenders involved in this child’s victimization. Madam, and I call you that because you seem hell-bent on turning the entire country into the Black man’s brothel, are you serious?! .
Kindly retake Feminism 101 which defines rape as a power play against one individual by another via sexual assault. Rape is a crime against humanity that also operates as an act of war-time genocide when committed by one racial or ethnic group against another.
You know damned well that little Hispanic girl was targeted by and gang-raped by Black men, because both groups are involved in a race war. You are either trying to cover it up, like the good little disingenuous liberal that you are, OR you are too afraid of the leftist backlash that comes with criticizing any Black man’s pathology.
Shame on you, Susan. You are a disgrace to any woman capable of critical thought. Put down the Kool-Aid,NOW, Susan, before you one day put an eleven year old girl you actually give a damn about, like YOUR own, at risk!
Any feminist who is too afraid to confront a rapist, because he is Black should be ethical enough to just stay out of it, rather than being his apologist. That’s what he has Quannell X for. So stop acting like some kind of low-brow leftist jailhouse groupie. These aren’t romantic revolutionaries fighting for social justice, these are low-down, dirty, scumbag bullies, thugs, and rapists!