Addendum: A good piece by Julian Sanchez arguing that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin based upon a different knowledge set than the one Martin would have had. In econ jargon – asymmetric information. The main takeaway – and my argument that follows – is that these are real-time exchanges based upon faulty premises, bad information, and bias.
In yesterday’s post about George Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon Martin I wondered if we might learn something about Zimmerman’s supposed racism by listening to other 911 calls he’s made in the past. Sure enough, the Orlando Sentinel has a small collection of such recordings.
I’ll step back for a second. Again, Zimmerman was an idiot who had a hard on for vigilantism. He wanted to play Deputy Dewey because he couldn’t actually make it into law enforcement. But I feel it is necessary to address the one aspect of the case that is sure to have the most long-lasting social impact. It is important to know what compelled Zimmerman to act in this manner. Is he an overt racist? Is he implicitly biased? It seems to me that those who support Martin – and there’s not a case to be made in which Martin isn’t the victim – are too willing to jump to the conclusion that Zimmerman is just an overt racist. Them hearing “fucking coon” in Zimmerman’s 911 call is an example of a post hoc justification for their intuition that Zimmerman is what they want him to be: a racist.
The Orlando Sentinel tacitly helps foster this interpretation. They present 5 or 6 of Zimmerman’s previous 911 calls reporting suspicious “black” individuals, but the important information to know at this point is whether Zimmerman called in to 911 only when he spotted blacks in his neighborhood. What are the demographics of his 911 calls? If he has called in for Hispanics and whites who he thinks look suspicious, then that might change the argument.
In the captions that the Sentinel provides, they scare-quote Zimmerman’s racial descriptions of the people he reports to the police. By doing so, the Sentinel is suggesting that Zimmerman uses the word “black” gratuitously. If such a description were gratuitous the case could be made that Zimmerman was focused on the blackness of the suspects rather than their behavior. But in the calls presented by the Sentinel, Zimmerman only responds “black” when the 911 dispatcher asks him about the race of the suspects. They invariably ask “white, black, or Hispanic,” and Zimmerman responds. Otherwise he uses the words “youth”, “gentlemen”, and “guy” to describe the people he deems suspicious.
Which brings us back to the supposed use of the phrase “fucking coon” to describe Trayvon Martin. At the beginning of the eerie 911 call, Zimmerman tells the dispatcher that Martin “looks black”. This is not a perfect exoneration of Zimmerman on the racism question, but it indicates that his instinct (as off-kilter as they are) was to look for suspicious behavior first rather than blackness. Other than that, “fucking coon” is out of sync with the rest of Zimmerman’s calls. One hears a great deal of paranoia and attention to detail in Zimmerman’s calls – he gives detailed instructions to the dispatcher to give to the police on where to possibly look for these fleeing suspects; struck me as way over the top – but none of the racism that supposedly fueled him. He uses no other racial epithets in that sample of calls to describe the blacks he’s reporting to police. Containing the fallout from this snippet of the story is important because if there is no analysis of it, the narrative will get swept away and cement the “overt racist” angle in place. Zimmerman is a piece of shit, but not for that exact reason.
The next question: was Zimmerman’s paranoia justified? Obviously, his pursuit of Martin is in no way justified, but what of the emotion that compelled his ill-conceived chase? Sanford, Florida does have a relatively high burglary/theft/robbery rate. The town’s property crime index is 2.3 times higher than the national average. On several calls to 911, Zimmerman makes it clear that his neighborhood had been recently burglarized. And Orlando, Florida – the metro area of which Sanford is a part – is the third most crime-ridden city in the U.S. Sanford itself has a relatively high crime rate for the rest of the country, the rest of the state, and for the metro Orlando area.
The cherry picking of the tapes where he identified black people makes sense from the media’s point of view. The focus on race when it really doesn’t matter, like here, and ignore race when it does. In Chicago, and I assume many other cities, the news and newspapers wouldn’t tell viewers/readers the race of a suspect if they were black or Hispanic. Which is fucking retarded because how are the people supposed to know who to look out for. Eventually, their leaving out the race of the suspect(s) signaled that they were most likely black anyways.
Jonatha Carr, a student at FAU, freaks out during class and starts making terroristic threats and shouting racist epithets. She had been organizing a bus trip to a protest with the New Black Panther Party over the Trayvon Martin shooting.
Here are the last two paragraphs of the story. Notice the email address at the end of the last paragraph.
On Thursday there will be two rallies. The New Black Panther Party plans to hold a rally in front of the Sanford Police Department at 1 p.m. The Rev. Al Sharpton will lead another rally at the First Shiloh Baptist Church in Sanford at 7 p.m.
A University of Miami student is organizing a bus trip to Sanford to take part in a rally on Monday, March 26th. The bus holds 55 passengers. Seats are $25 each. Deposits can be made via Pay Pal, no later than March 23rd. The bus will depart on Monday, March 26th at 8AM. For more info contact msnicolecarr@gmail.com or jonatha.carr@gmail.com.
Zimmerman likely has at least some racial prejudice, though the extent and intensity of such prejudices perhaps shall never be known. (I personally believe he did say ‘coons’.)
That granted, even if we could prove that Zimmerman is the most hateful person of the world, so what? It is actions that ought to matter in the eyes of the law. Ironically, this case proves it. It wasn’t “hate” that led to the fatal confrontation with Martin, but Zimmerman’s do-gooderist behavior. Encouraging him to be even more of a do-gooder would have solved nothing.
Hate crimes are just a way for progressives to feel important. They always need a villain, a cosmic battle between Good and Evil. Unfortunately, treating stupid random-ass shit like the stupid random-assed shit that it is doesn’t make progressives feel warm, fuzzy, and superior inside.
Interesting that Jonatha Carr outbursts happened in an Evolution class. She did look like a big ole gorilla. And yet the other black females in the class were not happy about it and wanted to continue the class in a civilized manner.
Multiple stereotypes here: the large, loud, ugly, abusive black female. The black male criminal punk in a hoodie.* The non black person overreacting and suspecting innocent black male as possible criminal.
* I mean the stereotype not the actual shooting victim.
The guy was clearly paranoid and overzealous, but the calls don’t indicate any characteristic racism. The vast majority of calls (over 50 in total) don’t even mention anyone “black”. One of the “black” calls concerns an elementary schooler who he worried about because he was walking along a busy road unchaperoned.
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The cherry picking of the tapes where he identified black people makes sense from the media’s point of view. The focus on race when it really doesn’t matter, like here, and ignore race when it does. In Chicago, and I assume many other cities, the news and newspapers wouldn’t tell viewers/readers the race of a suspect if they were black or Hispanic. Which is fucking retarded because how are the people supposed to know who to look out for. Eventually, their leaving out the race of the suspect(s) signaled that they were most likely black anyways.
Jonatha Carr, a student at FAU, freaks out during class and starts making terroristic threats and shouting racist epithets. She had been organizing a bus trip to a protest with the New Black Panther Party over the Trayvon Martin shooting.
bearcaught,
i have the story lined up in my next link post, but i didn’t know she was organizing with the New Black Panther Party.
Here is the link to a story the day before she had her episode in class: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20/outrage-morning-over-death-of-trayvon-martin/
Here are the last two paragraphs of the story. Notice the email address at the end of the last paragraph.
On Thursday there will be two rallies. The New Black Panther Party plans to hold a rally in front of the Sanford Police Department at 1 p.m. The Rev. Al Sharpton will lead another rally at the First Shiloh Baptist Church in Sanford at 7 p.m.
A University of Miami student is organizing a bus trip to Sanford to take part in a rally on Monday, March 26th. The bus holds 55 passengers. Seats are $25 each. Deposits can be made via Pay Pal, no later than March 23rd. The bus will depart on Monday, March 26th at 8AM. For more info contact msnicolecarr@gmail.com or jonatha.carr@gmail.com.
bearcaught,
just found those too and emailed both Carrs. i’ll keep everyone posted if they respond.
Wow. That video progressively got worse. Lock her up for life; you can’t fix that type of crazy
Zimmerman likely has at least some racial prejudice, though the extent and intensity of such prejudices perhaps shall never be known. (I personally believe he did say ‘coons’.)
That granted, even if we could prove that Zimmerman is the most hateful person of the world, so what? It is actions that ought to matter in the eyes of the law. Ironically, this case proves it. It wasn’t “hate” that led to the fatal confrontation with Martin, but Zimmerman’s do-gooderist behavior. Encouraging him to be even more of a do-gooder would have solved nothing.
Hate crimes are just a way for progressives to feel important. They always need a villain, a cosmic battle between Good and Evil. Unfortunately, treating stupid random-ass shit like the stupid random-assed shit that it is doesn’t make progressives feel warm, fuzzy, and superior inside.
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Interesting that Jonatha Carr outbursts happened in an Evolution class. She did look like a big ole gorilla. And yet the other black females in the class were not happy about it and wanted to continue the class in a civilized manner.
Multiple stereotypes here: the large, loud, ugly, abusive black female. The black male criminal punk in a hoodie.* The non black person overreacting and suspecting innocent black male as possible criminal.
* I mean the stereotype not the actual shooting victim.
You can see the list of his 911 calls here: Trayvon Martin’s Killer Once Reported A ’7-9′ Year-Old Black Kid To The Police
The guy was clearly paranoid and overzealous, but the calls don’t indicate any characteristic racism. The vast majority of calls (over 50 in total) don’t even mention anyone “black”. One of the “black” calls concerns an elementary schooler who he worried about because he was walking along a busy road unchaperoned.