The latest little bit of background on Trayvon Martin: he had at least a passing interest in handguns. His StumbleUpon account mostly shows an interest in basketball, but also “liked” guns. Curious for a kid who wouldn’t have been able to buy one, and curious in light of Zimmerman’s report that Martin was reaching for his gun during their fateful struggle. This isn’t conclusive proof of anything – Zimmerman was also a fan of guns – but we should throw it in the pile with all the other stems and seeds of evidence that paint a much different picture of Trayvon Martin than we were led to believe. Young men who are into drugs and fighting and burglary often use guns for different reasons than do night watchmen.
But look at how the goalposts have shifted in this entire debate. First it was the white racist who hunted down a young innocent boy in cold blood. Fox News were jerks for not running with the story of the murder of Trayvon Martin. But facts have changed the outlook of the case in a very short period of time, and Fox News is the only channel not having to spend time wiping egg off of it’s face.
And now the discussion has turned to the motives of conservatives and the right in delving into the background of Trayvon Martin. To answer liberals’ question up front, a Zimmerman defense would play out in the courtroom; I’m not sure why it can’t play out among bloggers and pundits who have uncovered evidence that is relevant to the case. Let all of the evidence out – Zimmerman’s and Martin’s backgrounds included – and see what we come up with. If the liberal media provides all of the coverage we’ll merely get rose-colored testimonies like this one from Martin’s mother:
“He wouldn’t confront anyone unprovoked, but if he felt his life was in danger, he’d try to protect himself,” said Sybrina Fulton.
Except Martin has now been tied to at least two fights – one with a guy who snitched on him for something having to do with weed and another, if Facebook conversation is true, with a bus driver. It should be mentioned that some people do believe that snitching is provoking.
Think Progress asks why conservatives are bringing up certain topics that don’t have anything to do with the case. Kevin Drum of Mother Jones wonders the same thing. And at the Daily Beast, Michelle Goldberg focuses much attention on Geraldo Rivera and the hoodie question, as if Martin’s wearing a hoodie is what made him seemingly attack George Zimmerman. But Goldberg’s argument is basically that the fact that people of a conservative bent are asking questions about the case and digging into background facts connotes some sort of nefariousness on their part. Or it could be that conservative types tend to believe that the media won’t do their jobs without a little coaxing from their side. The media had all but convicted Zimmerman, and now that conviction is far less certain.
But why dig into Martin’s background?
The fact that he’s dead should actually warrant us doing so. According to Zimmerman, he shot Martin because Martin attacked him. If we looked into Zimmerman’s background when we believed that he was the sole aggressor – and the media surely aggressively assailed his character – then we should look into Martin’s when evidence emerges that the young man might have been the initial aggressor. And contrary to what Think Progress and Goldberg write, Martin wasn’t just a kid with a little weed and a measly school suspension. He got in at least two fights – which were discussed on Twitter and Facebook – he was caught with women’s jewelry, and he graffitied school property. He was also very sympathetic to rappers who were strongly “anti cracker”. The question is, if we’d have discovered similar facts about Zimmerman would we try to tie them together to paint a picture of Zimmerman? The answer is yes, and the media has already put all of that on canvas.
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GLP,
I hear you, I really do. The fact of the matter is that Zimmerman will be persecuted despite of all the evidence that points to self defense. If he isn’t expect a huge riot by blacks.
The time of the white man is OVER
Zimmerman is white .
read Loenard pitts article
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/24/2712390/in-trayvon-martins-death-consider.html
anti-racist is an obvious troll, but he inadvertently proves an important point.
For a certain segment of the left, what we know and don’t know so far in this case doesn’t really matter too much. To them, this case should be viewed as a metaphor for their preconceived notions of race, “privilege”, police authority, the right to self-defense, and a rather paranoid and comical fear of white men.
“Narrative” really is more important than reason. The notion that we should look at the facts in this case, and ONLY the facts in this case, is something they simply can’t wrap their head around.
Liberals must hate Joe Friday.
Samantha,
He’ll be prosecuted, and either the grand jury or the jury will dismiss the charges against him. Then there’ll be riots. Then there will be double jeopardy by the feds with civil rights charges (HT to half sigma for the new as of 2009 statute that will be used). Oh, and then there’ll be the civil suit.
Rodney King is the script.
anti-racist: are you for real or just a cardboard cutout? Either way you serve my purposes, so keep on keeping on.
If you don’t cave to the majority black demands, they throw temper tantrums like 2 year olds. I don’t think the family can file a civil suit in Florida with the way the law is written but I’m not positive on it. The most disturbing thing is with the black commenting I’ve read or watched on you tube is black people consider asking a black person a question in public as provocation worthy of a physical response. They’ll throw “cracker” left and right but if you dropped one “nigger” you’d get assaulted and the entire community would defend their actions as justified.
anti-racist,
you’ve got something on your lip. oh, wait, that’s leonard pitts’ pube. get the fuck out of here with that shit. amid all of the facts coming out on this case pitts wants to wrangle around and try to pin the white label on george zimmerman. shows you just how seriously liberals are taking this case. their looking around trying to find any chink in the armor that the public might be willing to mindlessly accept. they’ve moved on from making statements of fact and evidence because those are no longer in Martin’s favor. so now they’re reaching really, really deep into their bag of tricks.
i ma going to enjoy you guys heads exploding when zimmerman gets sent away to jail.
justice will be served
leinard pitts is a pulitzer prize winning author with FIVE children. whike glp is a loser waiter with no offsprong
so leonard pitts had procreated, i haven’t, but what about you? you’re carrying the jock of the guy who has procreated – saying nothing about your own contribution. i’ll gladly take not being a father over being a dude who muches the ass of a guy who is.
“anti-racist 03/27/2012 at 12:15 pm
The time of the white man is OVER”
What are you gonna do without him? Are the Mexicans gonna want you around? The Chinese are already muscling you out of Africa. We’ll be gone soon. Good luck dawg.
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/63460-more-racism-and-possible-police-cover-up/
a grat nuanced discusiiion
I’m deleting any comments that thank George Zimmerman for anything. Zimmerman did only himself a favor. We can’t know what would have happened to him if he hadn’t shot Trayvon Martin. But to suggest that Zimmerman helped the world or something by getting rid of “another thug” is stupid. That leads us down a very slippery slope: if you don’t meet the requirements for good citizenship then you’re disposable. I’m not a big fan of that kind of thinking. That kind of thinking is inarticulate and irrational. Come up with better arguments. In this case, we only need the facts, we don’t need to pat Zimmerman on the back for anything. He’s by no means a hero.
Why look into the past?
“Knowledge, even unpleasant knowledge, is far preferable to ignorance.”
It’s part of our search for truth as a species…we have to confront all the ugly truths out there. Blog on!
i am white
i am unemployed
i live with my elderly parents
i ahve no feinds
i am a virgin
i failed out of colle
so much for your “whites are superior”
RomanCandle 03/27/2012 at 12:40 pm
anti-racist is an obvious troll, but he inadvertently proves an important point.
So why aren’t his comments deleted? He’s been trolling various sites with a variation on the same them but the bloggers never delete him.
Is it just because they want a provocateur to stir up the commenters.
I thinks that’s unfortunate.
Rifleman,
please. anti-racist is funny. clown funny. personally, i enjoy laughing at him. he’s either an unemployed loser white male with a fetish for black men or he *is* a black man. either way, he’s extremely biased and therefore irrelevant.
I think anti-racist is great. He is obviously using satire to show the idiocy of the left and non race realists. Keep letting him comment, Chuck.
Maybe because his absurd arguments, numerous grammatical errors, and thinly-disguised hatred of whites makes everyone else here seem smarter?
A good general is blessed with foolish enemies, as they say. Same principle, but only Chuck can tell you for sure why he allows him to continue posting.
@GPL, your forensic reasearch is impressive. Amazing what you’ve slushed out through social media.
I think this all kind of misses the point.
The core is whether you can put yourself in a dangerous situation intentionally and then claim self defense when you are attacked in the situation and then someone.
All this discussion should really be about the castle doctrine/stand your ground or whatever it is called in florida.
“The core is whether you can put yourself in a dangerous situation intentionally and then claim self defense when you are attacked in the situation and then someone”
A lot of people say a version of the above. And I reject the very premise of that statement.
- You SHOULD be able to challenge anyone in your neighborhood you don’t recognize who looks suspicious.
- A grown man in particular ought to feel free to challenge teenager
- Vigilant neighborhood watch is supposed to be something all homeowners do
If you disagree with any of the above, you advocate anarcho-tyranny, where good, atomized, demoralized citizens call the policy and cower. Land of the free, home of the brave? Nah, not anymore.
One caveat: if racial particularism with black unapproachability is your thing, then maybe desegregation ought to be reexamined. Blacks have their laws and customs in one spot, non-blacks have theirs in another.
“That kind of thinking is inarticulate and irrational.”
Violent criminals hurt people we care about. A dead violent criminal no longer has the power to hurt anyone. Thus a violent criminal is better off dead for the sake of the people we care about.
People are not disposable. But I submit to you that violent criminals are no longer people as demonstration by their own disregard for the life, liberty, and property of others. They view non criminals as sheep to the slaughter and for us to view them as anything other than wolves is simply foolish. You cull the wolves when they threaten the flock and never treat them like sheep.
If you can’t respect others enough not to prey on then, then you don’t deserve to be considered a human being.
Sounds very rational to me.
anti-racist is funny, but Sucks-Much-Hwang is gaining on him, at least on the Tarvon topic.
No idea if this is true or not but:
Paper: Spike Lee tweeted incorrect George Zimmerman address, possibly putting Sanford woman in danger
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/27/paper-spike-lee-tweeted-incorrect-george-zimmerman-address-possibly-putting-s.anford-woman-in-danger/
Also apologies if this has been linked before.
Appears that Trayvon my have been shot by an Obama supporter:
http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/
Bwaaaahhhaaaahhaaahaahaa!!!
Regarding neighborhood watchmen, I think black neighborhoods would become safer with them. If men feel responsible for a particular territory, they will often go out of their way to make sure nothing bad happens on their watch.
I wish some of you smart folks would go lend some logic and reason to this monstrosity:
http://gawker.com/5896490/your-guide-to-the-idiotic-racist-backlash-against-trayvon-martin
I’m being serious. Chuck, you should go paste your post in that thread. It is utterly maddening to see the self-righteousness and lame arguments over there go largely unchallenged.
I like the idea of neighborhood watchmen rather than just relying on police officers I don’t even know.
About that Gawker thread: Upon further reading, I see there are a couple of sane voices in there, dispassionately making points about Florida law, about incomplete information, etc. But they’re utterly overwhelmed by the kneejerk “racism!” stuff and other goofiness. Check out the posts by “MissNormaDesmond,” for instance. It’s like bizarro-world.
Thomas,
Gawker/Jezebel moderate heavily. No way they’d let anything from me in over there. I don’t think I’ve ever successfully published a comment there. But they’ve already done an end run around the facts. No amount of logic or rational argument or a replay of the timeline will satisfy them. And look what evidence they’re relying on: the Martin family lawyer’s report of what Martin’s girlfriend says she heard on the phone in the minutes before the incident. That’s quite a few degrees of separation. Compare that to the direct eyewitness statements that supports Zimmerman’s statements to police. The liberals are assuming that just because Martin is dead means that he wasn’t at all in the wrong. They’re embracing the fact that Martin is nondisprovable as if that means that Martin’s “statement” (those making a statement on Martin’s behalf) is the correct one. This is about as gridlocked as we can get. We’re reaching an dual equilibrium here, and that is not a good thing. The only way that riots don’t happen is if Zimmerman gets put in jail for at least 5 years.
Long time reader, Chuck.
I am really amazed at how fast the internet investigated the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman case. Between you and the rest of the alt-right blogosphere, /pol/ and even stormfront, the right wing of the internet has really done an incredible job of bringing the facts together and delivering it directly to the people via blogs, message boards, facebook, and other social internet sites.
I am really glad to see the media beginning to held in “check” by the internet. It’s good to keep them accountable.
It’d be nice to have more voices of reason at Jezebelle and Gawker, but the reality is that you can’t have an open discussion at those sites. They are simply irredeemable and better left to self-destruct (I personally will never unblock ads on any Gawker affiliated sites, for example, even the ones I enjoy like LifeHacker, simply because Gawker and Jezebelle are so terrible).
If you haven’t seen this ludicrousness, take a look at this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121003/Liam-Stacey-sent-prison-offensive-tweet-Fabrice-Muamba.html
How long until the feminists and racists on the Left start calling for imprisonment for ‘hate speech’ in America?*
* Trick question. They’ve already been doing it for awhile.
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I knew it was tricky to comment at the Gawker sites, but I thought basically you post a comment and it appears in gray until someone “promotes it up” to render in regular type.
Maybe it’s more complicated than that, and I just didn’t realize it.
Reym, that story is unbelievable. That country should be blitzed if it ever calls itself “Great” Britain ever again. I kinda think they only prosecuted that kid because he showed weakness, and he had alot to lose. Also, the pic of him being led in handcuffs by a fat, old cunny of a woman says alot, of him and their society.
Trayvon was just another piece of gangbanging trash America is better off without.
The Zimmerman/ Martin case is the most perfect of examples of Liberal hypocrisy. Not only did the feeling but non-thinking Liberals jump on the band wagon for the media generated narrative but they did so without any amount of fact checking. Zimmerman at best is mixed but in most circumstances would be considered Hispanic not White. Martin was not a cherub faced child but almost of legal age teen with gold teeth and tattoos. Witnesses corroborated Zimmerman’s story and were much more credible than any of the witnesses for Martin.
Now that it is pretty well established that Martin did attack Zimmerman the refrain from the DWL side is,” Zimmerman exited the truck against orders there by initiating the action.” That’s funny since when did Liberals listen to authority? These are the same people who support the Occupy bunch and they continue to make excuses for the NBP who put out Wanted Posters and a reward for Zimmerman.
Sorry to tell you dipshits you can’t have it both ways either you listen to authority or you don’t. As typical Liberals you Cherry pick which authority OTHERS should listen to but when your feelings are hurt,” Hey it’s time to occupy screw the man!”
Either way as usual you are wrong a Police dispatcher cannot order you to do anything they can advice but they have no authority.
I’m truly sorry the each premise of your argument is systematically destroyed but maybe just maybe you should pick and choose your battles more wisely?
This incident was tagged as racially motivated even b4 all of the evidence was known. It is typical of the emotional and non intelectual response favored by the black and white liberals. Their montra is “blame whitey and don’t confuse me with facts” I wish it were possible to turn the world over to the blacks and white liberals. After the blacks had killed and eaten the white liberals, they could retire to their drum beating and bead stringing society and live happily ever after. Please name me just one city or country that was formaley run by whites that has been turned over to black control that hasn’t decended into a shit hole. Hell they still eat each other in Africa.
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