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This is the normal “left wing” group attacks any actual “right wing” group that tries to organize which is seen mostly in Europe. In Europe left wing groups beat the shit out of and sometimes kill right wing groups on the street and they never go to jail for it. Right wingers always go to jail if they fight back. That camp that Breznik killed all those young adults at was a training camp to teach left wingers how to beat and kill right wing groups and get away with it.
The reason such attacks are so rare in America is the total dearth of actual right wing groups. The GOP, teaparty, ect are just the outer party party of the single leftist party that rules this nation.
They’re still fighting over a haircut and vespas? I guess it is 1970. I wish the hipsters would do the same over their thick-rimmed glasses and ironic shirts: “The slap heard ’round the world.”
Yes, the ARs come from Europe. The police often arrest the pro-whites at any confrontations.
Your readers have probably never seen their tactics in person. This is a good video at MSU from Youth for Western Civilization, a very moderate conservative group:
Not in the USA. The whole transformation of the skinhead image was complete before being imported here. ‘SHARPs’ are basically a type of emo/hipster deliberately importing anachronistic and foreign style as a fashion statement and nothing else. There was never any organic growth of a non-racist skinhead movement in the US, like the reggae/soul music-inspired skinheads of the UK that are now just trashy chavs. SHARPs want to ‘reclaim’ the skinhead image based on the wikipedia history of skinheads, rather than any continuity in the skinhead subculture. (I knew some SHARPs growing up, and they were emo faggots then, and as adults they are emo faggots now that just like to cosplay full-time, wearing their horn-rimmed glasses and tweed smoking jackets; I shit you not. They are as a rule universally upper-class, underperforming twits. As another note on the history of music subcultures, Emo/Hipster was born in and around Washington DC in the early 80s, and SHARPs are basically an offshoot of that same whiny, faggy ‘punk’ scene).
Non-racist UK skinheads (originating in the 60s) listened to music from outside the UK. Racist US skinheads listened to music from racist UK skinheads that wrote and performed their own music (hence transmitting the culture across the ocean). There was no reason for the non-racist UK skinhead motifs to transmit across the Atlantic because that aspect of the subculture relied on importing cultural elements from the US and Jamaica, which already had purchase elsewhere in the USA (mods, Motown, et cetera). Even the kinds of white teens that listened to Motown music in the USA were nothing akin to the working class UK punk scene that skinheads sprang from. This all happened in the 1960s, and the transformation of skinheads as a byword for Neo-Nazi was fully complete by the early 1970s, before skinheads arrived on US shores as an actual cultural phenomena.
These ARA guys aren’t skinheads and never were. They were basically wiggers whose main pastime was tagging. They didn’t listen to rap in the early 80s, but they did by the late 80s. The whole skinhead ‘infestation’ of Minneanapolis was probably less than 2 dozen individuals along with some vaguely associated punk scenesters that wore similar but not identical clothing and went to the same kind of shows.
A lot of punk music then and now is explicitly ‘racist’ but mostly for shock value rather than ideology, in the same way that a lot of MCs used Nazi imagery in their kuttes but weren’t explicitly very politically inspired. They were just a different kind of ‘punks’. Of course MCs stopped using Nazi icons when they would get charged with specious ‘hate crime’ enhancements and were targeted by the Feds as ‘hate groups’. They are fine to run guns and drugs, bomb and shoot people, just don’t do it while sporting a swastika bro.
That camp that Breznik killed all those young adults at was a training camp to teach left wingers how to beat and kill right wing groups and get away with it.
I assume you mean Breihvik, and no it wasn’t for the most part what you describe it as. Although it is apparently true in much of northern Europe that ‘AntiFa’ groups are largely populated with politically and diplomatically connected, upper class young adults rather than the working class yobs they pretend to be, unlike these ‘Baldies’ whose founders were probably actually the sons of working class parents.
That’s less likely to be true today, 30 years later though. It’s probably mostly populated with America’s burgeoning aristocratic class, and their wannabe permanent ‘student’ hangers-on.
Compare the role of racist black street violence, white ‘anti-racist’ groups, and the kid gloves treatment they get in the law with the Spartan rite of Krypteia.
“Although it is apparently true in much of northern Europe that ‘AntiFa’ groups are largely populated with politically and diplomatically connected, upper class young adults rather than the working class yobs they pretend to be, unlike these ‘Baldies’ whose founders were probably actually the sons of working class parents. ”
As I said, Cultural “Marxism” is reactionary. “Anti”-Fascism is the open and violent oppression of the (White) working class.
ARA is hard to defeat by force, but easy to defeat by guile. Use wedge issues, like abortion. WNs could hold rallies for abortion rights in Israel, while MRAs could promote abortion rights for men. One group never harassed by ARA, and in fact defended, is Planned Parenthood, although Margaret Sanger was almost openly WN.
I read lots of articles in Chicago in the 1980s about local skinheads that tried to make them sound scary. By reading the articles in the alternative press carefully, however, I came to the conclusion that they numbered, in total, about 15 or 20, and were primarily attention whores. Their main shtick was to hang around outside concerts and attract attention. When interviewed, each one mostly explained that he was the true skinhead and therefore deserves the most media coverage, while the skinhead who was on the cover of, say, the Chicago Reader last month was just a poseur.
This basically comports with my experiences in the B/W corridor in the mid to late 90s. There was a Neo-Nazi ‘infestation’ at my highschool according to our school paper. The punchline is that it was 2 people out of total ~2000+ enrolled students. I also knew a member of a skinhead ‘gang’ in the suburbs south of Baltimore (a friend’s older brother was a member) that also made the papers. I got the distinct impression that the skinhead I knew had like maybe 3 or 4 friend tops, and that probably constituted the whole ‘gang’. None of these 3 people I personally knew are skinheads today (although one went bald for real).
15-20 guys with shaved heads and swastika patches is definitely enough to create a media splash, and a backlash from the community but not enough to constitute the threat that such a backlash warrants. I take it that most skinheads are basically younger, healthier versions of stormfriends who prefer standing on sidewalks for hostile photo ops rather than behind keyboards. They are anti-social in such a way that they eschew actual leadership and don’t even get along with each other, and endlessly focus on niche concerns when their ostensible cause is so far out of the mainstream that focusing on ‘details’ is wholly irrelevant. Who was it that said something about right-wingers being a bunch of mutually excommunicating Popes? Whoever it said was definitely on to something there.
It’s easy to dismiss the skins as mindless, beer-drinking thugs.
Every organization has a muscle end and a brains end. Poor education, violence, pussy chasing and beer drinking describes the US army very well. Many cops and security people as well. Such people serve a purpose in the wider view.
The skins do great things in Eastern Europe and Russia. The leadership is good there.
The comparison between skinheads and the army is fallacious. There aren’t enough ‘Officer’ equivalents for starters. There are no real standards for entrance outside of general toughness. My friend’s brother was very dim. He couldn’t pass the ASVAB to get into the Marines with 2 attempts, which is a very low bar (which isn’t a knock on his character).
He’s probably fairly well below average intelligence of most skinheads, but at the same time he was basically the ‘leader’ of his clique as the one fit, non-hideous, relatively jovial one (that was still more introverted than you would expect for a 6’2″-6’4″ Aryan superman; below average for a regular joe on that spectrum).
I don’t know much about the Russian Neo-Nazi scene, but I’ve got issues with the US skins that I don’t have time to expound upon right now. Long story short, they are nerds and display nerdy pathologies like introversion to such a degree as to not be able to function well within a heirarchy. If anything their organization and social ethic is more akin to 17th century south Atlantic pirates (except that those pirates were successful, and showed some cohesion given their lives were actually on the line) than any military institution of that time period or today.
I have no brief for neo-Nazis, however, unless something else comes up, it seems like this was just a group of people meeting to have a dinner and discuss their beliefs (however nutty they may be.) What happens, but the forces of “tolerance” violently attack them, and hurt the employees of the business and destroyed property as well.
From the pictures of the victims that the ARA posted on their website, bragging about the attack, it does not appear like these people were violent skinheads, but rather a bunch of somewhat odd looking bunch of middle age people, including women.
This does not look like an “internecine status squabble”,but an unprovoked attack.
Finally, I will add that were it not for the fact that this was widely reported as a one sided attack describing the weapons used before the media discovered that the victims were white supremacists (and therefore not victims), I guarantee the media would try to somehow spin it to make it seem like the “racists” were at fault.
Skinheads were not exactly powerless back in the 80s. They were essentially a white street gang. ARA was, too, but they were funded by left-wing advocacy groups, and not really organic. In fact, Bill Moyers just did an interview with Rage Against the Machine guitarist Tom Morello that I saw on PBS today.
Watch it here: http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-tom-morello-troubadour-for-justice/
Morello is wearing an IWW hat, and the program is funded by the Carnegie foundation…
The thing is that skins and the like have been totally purged from urban America. They just don’t meaningfully exist anymore. However, the ARA types still do, and now they’re attacking banks and businesses and such. Personally, I think it’s pretty funny. Lefties like Bill Moyers think they’re still fighting nazi skinheads, but actually they’re just burning down banks and breaking windows of local businesses.
The real white racists are comfortably removed from them now by virtue of geography, so their actions are inherently self-destructive. If the ARA boys go out to whitebread America and start breaking stuff, they just go to jail (as they should). In the urban areas, they get some protection by virtue of their politics, but hilariously they have no targets besides their corporate supporters.
Literally the only thing protecting the leftist urban Americans from their own creations at this point is the white cops, and there’s nothing these ARA types hate more than cops. It’s like watching a comedy unfold. A bunch of them were arrested here in Seattle for rioting during the Mayday protests and assaulting cops, but they were mainly let off the hook when it turned out many of them were children of local lawyers and such. To bring liberal white Americans to their knees, all that needs to be done is to withdraw funding from local police forces.
On the more sinister side, these types were directly responsible for creating a climate in the Netherlands that allowed the assassination of people like Pim Fortuyn and Theo Van Gogh. When I rolled into Amsterdam a week and a half ago, I noticed with some interest that a building off the train tracks was clearly an antifa squat, as their graffiti was all over the place. What they did was provide support for radical Muslims, due to their hatred for white Christian Dutch. Now, in what should have been a predictable development, Jews are fleeing the Netherlands because these people have run cover for the more extreme jihadis in the country, who hate Jews with a passion. Didn’t work out all that well, did it?
“To bring liberal white Americans to their knees, all that needs to be done is to withdraw funding from local police forces”
Yeah, but we ought to be careful what we wish for.
Sounds like it worked out great, actually.
.What group was actually attacked? Neo-Nazi skinheads aren’t in the habit of meeting for lunch in urban restaurants, especially a large group like this of a couple dozen or more. Given the older ages and women present this sounds more like the more moderate, “discussion/educational” groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens, or similar type groups.
Also this sort of thing probably won’t happen in states with “shall issue” concealed carry. Beating the crap out of unarmed elderly conservative “racists” is the antifa’s idea of a “fair fight”. They face much poorer odds when their victims are armed. So no surprise that this happened in Chicago.
Ok nevermind, I read the earlier post; some kind of “white nationalist” group from Stormfront? It still doesn’t sound like a bunch of skinheads. No one (apart from the antifas) seemed to know or care about their politics until after they were attacked.
I recall some incident maybe 10-15 years ago when an antifa group attacked a picnic being held by a local Council of Conservative Citizens chapter – it might have also been in Illinois or somewhere else in the Midwest. I don’t recall details. This is hardly the first time this sort of thing has happened; it’s just that the antifas really have few easy targets to attack.
“Literally the only thing protecting the leftist urban Americans from their own creations at this point is the white cops, and there’s nothing these ARA types hate more than cops. It’s like watching a comedy unfold. A bunch of them were arrested here in Seattle for rioting during the Mayday protests and assaulting cops, but they were mainly let off the hook when it turned out many of them were children of local lawyers and such. To bring liberal white Americans to their knees, all that needs to be done is to withdraw funding from local police forces.”
You misunderstand why they attack the cops: They hate the cops when they put the squeeze on criminals. They’re all for the cops when do what they are instructed and protect the criminals from regular people. The attacks are designed to prod the cops into only going after regular honest folk who defend themselves. The UK cops have gotten this through their heads and spend 90% of their time chasing regular folks for bullshit crimes and allowing real criminals to do what they wish. American cops are starting to get the idea as well.
Regular people are terrified that they loose the cops criminals run even more rampant. It’s a self re-enforcing system. In reality regular people should revolt against the cops and then hang the criminal classes from near by lamp poles.
You’ve got a picture in your head of what skins should look like that’s about 30 years too old. Perhaps you’ve watched American History X and believed all of it. This is the meaning of the red pill. Did you think the media only lied about women, marriage and the Iraq war?
Welmer is correct, I’m surprised to see such remarks from him. Like divorce court and the legal system, its the enablers who make it all possible. The best solution is to force them to live with their pet negros, beaners and arabs.
And this is why WNs are very rabid about whites who are not 110% for the white race. They want and need to live with other whites, yet they bring in the NAMs and destroy white cities. You bring in one “good black”, like Sowell, you get a family. The family has friends, who have families. Then you reach 20%, white flight, you get Detroit. There is only one group on the face of this Earth that has only white interests in mind. Everyone else is so worried about the minorities that its sickening.
PJ O’Rourke said that the best measure of a social movement’s prospects was to see if good looking women were part of it.
On that measure from the Baldies video – the ARA/Antifa movement is in strife.
The ARA should go live with the Crips and help fight white racism. When they go to prison, they’ll be welcomed by the BGD’s asap and pdq to fight the AN. Only white kids are foolish enough to Uncle Ruckus themselves.
The point is, these groups always infight: Bloods fight crips. La Eme fights MS-13. All these groups are corrupted by years of foolish, grandiose “leaders.” The founders were the only true genius organizers.
Whites who think skinhead groups can be salvaged by THEIR personal, visionary leadership are deluding themselves. Remember SHARP.
The ONLY way is a NEW Way.
I’ve never been impressed with the quality and level of either activism or discussion among white nationalists and skinheads. Of course, I may be looking for pearls in the swine heap, but I find a clarity of thought largely absent from the white nationalist front-lines.
What always struck me, as well, as Sailor, in New England in the 1980′s and 90′s was the narcissism, self-congratulatory mutual masturbation that seemed to go along with the music and race subculture.
I’d also like to note that the precisely identical process goes on among the equivalent black community. In fact, it’s shockingly hard to ideologically distinguish white anti-racist activists, skinheads, and the dysfunctional black “youth” that gravitate to a generally anarchist or quasi-fascist “Anti” culture.
It’s all about status-whoring among peers.
What’s tragic is that white nationalists seem to lack the creative energy and support of black nationalists.
I speak in generalities, of course.
Well I do believe that the violence of neo-nazis and skinheads is important to strike fear into NAMs looking to immigrate into white countries. Russian skinhead film beating on non-Russians and put the videos on the internet as a warning. The result? Everyone knows that Russia is a pretty racist place.
So the violence has it’s uses, although those kinds of groups will never win over the hearts and minds of moderate Whites who just want to live in peace.
Just a thought. I am neither here nor there.
Odds,
In Russia, 60% of Russians approve of the Slavic Union. They may not be members, but they’ll stay out of the way.
As for whites who just want to live in peace, in this world of eternal struggle, they are doomed. That’s a feminine, liberal worldview.
Very true, Ryu. WNs should make more use of the tagging as “Nazis”. Hold rallies in favor of euthanasia. Physically attack Christian opponents of euthanasia(this will confuse the Left, who thinks WNs are extreme-right, that is Capitalism and Christianity on steroids). Use mutilation against opponents and point out that euthanasia is NAZI!!!
I advocate using similar tactics against ARA members (and supporters).
Their names and contact details are easily available.
And those of their families, I might add.
I agree with Laguna Beach Fogey. Tit-for-tat.
“I agree with Laguna Beach Fogey. Tit-for-tat.”
Enjoy those 20 year jail sentences.
“Enjoy those 20 year jail sentences.”
So you red admit being a part the System, instead of rebelling against it? You admit that your behavior against WNs would deserve 20 year jail sentences, if the System would be at our side? If Whites have power and privilege, how can hate have consequences?
Anyway, what is your position on euthanasia? Being opposed to euthanasia leaves you vulnerable to asymmetric warfare like mutilation. But being in favor of euthanasia will get you called “Nazi” by Judeo-Christians!
And judges aren’t invulnerable either.
So THAT’S why
I don’t see your name on
The Delcaration of Independence
Very brave!
Long, sweeping, vast, complex, long, churning, expansive, long generalities too.
My favorite.
You know, Ryu, you really ought to learn a thing or two about tact, and you ought to learn to see things from other people’s perspective.
I’ve never in my life said that white people deserve to be punished or wiped out, or denied the opportunity to live as they see fit, but I’ve always maintained that if we expect people to treat us with some compassion and humanity we ought to extend the same to them. It’s the golden rule.
The biggest mistake white nationalists (and others with similar attitudes) make is in rejecting that very fundamental, simple concept.
Good God, man. We’ve been nothing but compassionate and kind and humane to all different kinds of “them.” It didn’t fucking work. You offer them the golden rule, and they take your gold.
You’ve often mentioned an instance where you felt betrayed by a “wn” in a legal matter.
It is a blind spot with you.
Should we adopt the “No Platform” methods of the Left, when it comes to Conservative/Libertarian/Christian enemies of WN?