This piece at Opposing Views isn’t an anti-Derb piece because it denies that there are stark differences between something like schools, neighborhoods, or nations full of blacks and Hispanics versus those populated by whites. No, the author, Shannon Bradley-Colleary is the anti-Derb because she acknowledges the differences between heavily white and heavily minority spaces but would rather teach her kids about diversity rather than optimize their education.
She writes about her fears of sending her white daughters to a majority minority school:
I’m concerned the kids from black and Hispanic homes might bully our girls because they’re white. I worry they’ll dislike our girls because they may be more privileged. I’m afraid the children from lower income households might come from broken, drug-riddled or violent homes (because, of course, that never happens in affluent homes). I’m also a white woman who had no black friends in school (there were only 5 black kids in our entire high school) and my two Hispanic friends were considered Oreos.
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We plan to send our daughters to our local public middle school. I hope my girls will be safe. I hope it will be the right decision for them. I want to support public education, but more to the point I want my kids to have a broader worldview than I had growing up. I want them to feel confident and comfortable with good people of every culture, race and creed. In short, I want them to be better than me.
I won’t denigrate this mindset as much as I’ll try to understand it. The first question, for me, is “why”? Why does knowing about how certain racial and ethnic groups live make someone better than someone who hasn’t had a similar experience? And why is there any merit in exposing yourself and your kids to a risky situation (one that Bradley-Colleary admits will also lead to a lower level of education) just to say you did it? If we were just talking about a group of whites stratified by class, the author probably wouldn’t place such a high premium on gaining this textured experience.
Charles Murray and his wife famously moved to rural Maryland in order to raise their kids away from the upper-middle class bubble of the Washington D.C. elite. He wanted to provide them with a different way of looking at the world. As far as I know, though, Murray didn’t have qualms about his children’s safety, and the town and the county he moved to is mostly white indicating that he was looking for a more significant texture than the one provided by a shiny, metallic multiculturalism.
While the decisions of both Murray and Bradley-Colleary are unorthodox, Murray had higher goals than multicult for its own sake. His decision seems to be more substance over style, and he and his wife didn’t seem to have to weigh crime, bullying, or glaringly deficient schools.
And it’s ironic that Bradley-Colleary’s likely choice goes against the grain of what we’re told are the desires of the very people she’d be using to teach her children the ways of the world. We’re told that blacks and Hispanics would like to get away from their slummy schools, cultural “diversity” be damned. Bradley-Colleary might be among the only parents ever to actually be fearful about such risks, have the means to avoid such risks, but gravitate towards them anyway. There is white guilt, and then there’s this.
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Experimenting on children, even one’s own, seems to be part of the progressive package.
I suppose it’s better than killing them in the womb (of after, a la Peter Singer), but it still constitutes child abuse.
“I won’t denigrate this mindset as much as I’ll try to understand it.”
This is often my attitude here as well. I have a general answer, but not one that satisfies me fully. And that general answer is: she believes.
Her belief is a normal thing, something around here we know as “blue pill.” Most people believe in the official narrative, regardless of the regime they live under. They fully accept that what the schools and media and politicians say is the truth — that diversity is as correct as water is wet. Conversely, to be at odds with the narrative is to essentially exile oneself. And to be the villain.
There is also a “pledge of loyalty” element in her frankly TMI confessional, also a strong part of trying to show that you are a good citizen.
What allows liberalism, a suicidal ideology for most people when fully embraced, to function is what Larry Auster calls “the unprincipled exception.” Diversity for thee, Sidwell Friends for me. But this woman appears to lack that bit of necessary shrewdness. “Like lambs to slaughter” is my pitying thought. And being that the sacrifice is brings on is her daughters’ and not her own, my pity becomes contempt.
Now, that was the “general answer” to your and my question. But I’m not satisfied with it.
A supershort summary of the above: she wants a cookie
Jimmy Carter tried sending his daughter to D.C. public schools. Needless to say, it didn’t work out.
So do we need to empower these idiot white women any further? Good grief.
She also appears to be repeating the mistakes of Northern, and particularly Jewish liberals in the desegregation era, who made it a point to send their kids to newly-integrated schools. Howard Stern talked about thay being the case with him, as he had blacks beat him up and homo-grope him on a regular basis. Those yesteryear liberals also made pledges among themselves to stay in their neighborhoods despite the influx of blacks. A prisoners dilemma if there ever was one.
Thing is, to be generous I’ll note that back then, liberals were motivated by hope and idealism, and you could excuse them for not knowing any better. Shannon Bradley-Colleary is motivated by obedience, and confessedly, she has no excuse of ignorance as to the realities of diversity.
… first time as tragedy, second time as farce.
The first time her daughters even get threatened to be beaten up, she will panic and pull them out.
@Lara
“The first time her daughters even get threatened to be beaten up, she will panic and pull them out.”
No she won’t. She’ll accuse the kid of being rayciss.
@PA
They will repeat mistakes until somebody influential will change what the rules are. Perhaps it will be……PA?
universal suffrage was a mistake. not kidding.
in the meantime, if this woman’s kids get beaten up by the orc hordes, i won’t shed a tear for her. the glories of vibrancy couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of zealots.
Her mind may change after she learns what her kids must go through in that school. This reminds me of Belle Waring, a feminist, “anti-racist” harridan at Crooked Timber, a leftist blog I sometimes read. (For a typical example of her nasty work, look at this anti-Zimmerman piece.) After long advocating for public schools, she is now homeschooling her son and trying to rationalize it, see e.g. here.
I’ll denigrate stupidity all day long. Her outlook isn’t ignorance for she goes so far as to mention a short-list of negatives, therefore she is stupid.
She will want to ensure that her daughters have tubal ligations. No point in them suffering the additional pain of a pregnancy after the inevitable.
We moved when I was aroud 10, and my parents had the choice of two Southern California suburbs, one middle-class and all white, one lower middle-class to blue-collar with some Mexicans. I don’t entirely know why these chose the second- it was supposed to have “good schools” but my father commented dismissively at one point that the first was a “white ghetto” which in those days seems to a liberal term for a characterless white community. I had a lot of trouble in the place we moved to- mostly from white kids. My mom’s view was I just needed to be nicer and I wouldn’t have trouble. The bottom line is lower-class people are nasty, whites less that blacks or Hispanics but not by that much, and you need to have your children in the highest socioeconomic situation as well as the whitest situation possible.
In her risk/benefit analysis, the author does fair job listing the risks . I suspect she’s not all that privileged, and she sees better opportunities to spend on her kids.
To varying extents, all parents relive and rectify childhood errors through their children. I was nurtured in a bubble of extreme industry and responsibility. Eventually I came face to face with the unproductive ghetto parasites. I stumbled awkwardly for years until I understood the Govt-Assisted mind and character. I ensured my kids were instructed on this difference early.
The author’s White Guilt bubble was popped while working in South Africa. I worked in South Africa during apartheid. Funny. It was the *white* people who thanked us for caring enough to visit and work there. The Black patients never thanked us.
Her next essay will cover why she antied up the money to pay for private school.
@thrasymachus,
You write, “lower-class people are nasty,”
I distinguish between the terms: lower-class/poor/Gov’t-Assisted. It is the government assistance that destroys people’s character (and is highly heritable). Poor is a subjective feeling. “lower class” is a neutral descriptor.
jz, i was talking with two women who work in the local school system about the “smell of poverty”.
White progressives are constantly doing this to their kids nowadays; even thought they grew up in mostly white neighborhoods, went to majority white schools, watched TV and ate junk food while they were growing up, when it comes to their kids they become total hypocrites and want to raise hyper-progressive kids who are not only open to diversity, but seek it out. I hear this all the time from white people: “this neighborhood is OK, but there’s too many white people here…needs a little more diversity.” Careful what you wish for.
Donny,
I’ve thought about this a lot – I feel that the hipster “movement” is a way to increase class or value diversity w/o increasing racial diversity.
@CR.
Your women friends are authentic.
The smell of Gov’t-assistance. An acrid eye-stinging blend of cigarette smoke, fried food, body sweat, hair oil, and Candida growth under the fat flaps.
that lingers in the room for hours after they leave, apparently.
“An acrid eye-stinging blend of cigarette smoke, fried food, body sweat, hair oil, and Candida growth under the fat flaps.”
this is the kind of thing that reinforces my belief in a benevolent, loving god. /sarcasm
@CR,
the hipster movement increasing class or value diversity ?? could you flesh that out ?
Holy shit. Our primary opponent isn’t necessarily the African, Jew, Mexican, whatever. It’s the batshit crazy White liberal like her.
I couldn’t get past her writing style, for example this: “…kids from black and Hispanic homes.”
Why not just say: “black and Hispanic kids”?
She writes: “I hope my girls will be safe. I hope it will be the right decision for them.”
So that’s it. She’s sending her precious White daughters into the ape’s den–with nothing but a hope and a prayer.
[Chuck: Hispanic homes. The ones with the plastic flamingos in the front yard.]
Great Odin’s raven! I hate these people with a vengeance.
C.R.,
I can see that. Living in Williamsburg or some safe pocket in Brooklyn is a way to get some “authenticity” or “street cred” without, you know, actually living in a real “diverse” environment like say, the Bronx.
jz 06/08/2012 at 9:31 am
> The author’s White Guilt bubble was popped while working in South Africa.
I’m not so sure about that. Here’s her account:
Emphasis added to emphasize SWPL cognitive dissonance. Yes, an upper-class white tourist’s odds of experiencing rape, robbery, and murder in SA’s 5-star hotels and finest restaurants and during guided tours of Soweto are quite low. And that observation relates to the common “fears” of white South Africans living daily lives in SA… how? Which in turn relates to the author’s daughters’ likely experiences of being minority-white girls in a majority-minority public school in an (apparently) dodgy LA neighborhood… how?
Commenting on the essay more generally, recall Steve Sailer’s useful notion of how people prioritize their loyalties.
Ms. Bradley-Colleary surely knows and likes her daughters. Still, something powerful seems to prevent her from acting in conventional ways to promote their best interests.
White progressive who can afford private schools pay up.
White progressives who can not afford private schools write justification essays on the benefits of diversity.
@Donny
If those people want to move out of the 90% white areas then it’ll make it cheaper for me to live there. On the ironic side, it’s going to be a pretty decent bet that their kids turn into raging racists. Nothing makes a person racist faster than associating, serving, or working with black people. Nobody teaches white kids racism. We’re raised in our 95% white public schools with the 2-3 oreos that everyone is exactly the same and are truly surprised when we find out it’s not true.
Isn’t this just a status play? She can now brag to her friends about multiple things: not paying for private school/lower taxes, that her kids are ‘street’ and cool unlike those whitebread kids in the burbs, she’s friends with black moms, doing her part for the great mixdown, etc.
amac78,
I think you touched on it via the Steve Sailer quote, and she basically says the same thing: she wants her kids to be better than her, which is another way of saying she wants to improve her status. If she cared about her kids she would say she wants them to be happy and comfortable, but she doesn’t say that.
“She can now brag to her friends about multiple things”
And the joke’s on her. Especially on SWPL terms. What grants you status is claims on innocuous exoticism at a safe remove, like being friends with a gay black artist or a Nigerian diplomat’s daughter.
But mere ghetto? Nah. Like whiggery and mudsharkery, it gets you silent looks of pity and a stench of Walmart.
Like I said in my first comment, this woman lacks the shrewdness to play the status game.
I noticed that this woman doesn’t have sons, but daughters.
A sociobiologist might explain that this mother, being a DNA machine, subconsciously wants her daughters to get what she perceives as the alpha sperm, so her grandchildren can have alpha genes, “to be better than me” — the “me” that settled for vanilla suburban genes. Such an idea may or may not be absurd; it is only absurd to the extent to which we consider sociobiology itself absurd.
Either that or they’ll get a severe mudsharking fetish, if not practice.
From my perspective on that point, the mother can never be an ‘authentic’ progressive because she never imbibed undiluted ‘diversity’. She wants her daughters to get it young, so when they marry a stable, high-earning white man as adults and live in a 98% white exurb while promoting diversity for thee, it will be ‘authentic’. She’ll likewise be able to point to her children as the product of ‘diversity’ (if they are a success), while that’s basically irrelevant to the fact that they have white genes, and a mother with media connections as the actual salient factor in any success they might come by.
It’s like the touting of the ‘success’ of black charter schools. You know, schools that bounce out 90+% of the black students that apply as being too stupid for the curriculum. “Look, we can make black people smart with education!” Same deal here. We can probably send attractive white children, predisposed to smarts, from well-connected families that are likely to be successful even without the stereotypical affluent liberal background, and then ipso facto diversity is good for children.
There is also the common idiocy of looking at school districts as statistical abstractions, and trying to alleviate the toll of ‘racism’ by altering the statistics regardless of the impact on individual students. The only tool they’ve ever had to ‘cure’ racism is changing the demographics of an area, which is all ‘fighting racism’ has ever involved. If enough parents like this woman send their children to these kinds of schools, that will improve their statistics significantly, but that doesn’t mean the actual problem has been solved; the stain just becomes less noticeable when you add enough whitener to the mix. The progressive solution to ‘minority’ underperformance: Ethnic Cleansing. If we could just make ‘urban core’ schools whiter voila…
If whites would just consign their children to sharing facilities with these feral generations, everywhere on the planet (except Israel, never Israel), forever, then it would be impossible (no it wouldn’t) to pick out ‘good schools’ from ‘bad schools’!
A probably related note, this woman is a writer for Liftetime TV.
Who the hell is Ms. Bradley-Colleary to think that her kids will be “better” for having attend multi-colored schools? What about those poor schlubs in monochrome Tokyo, Riga, or Kinchasa, who through no fault of their own, will never possess that opportunity? Does she think she’s better than them? Fsking Racist!
Those poor little girls. I’ve read countless comments at numerous websites by those subjected, by well meaning or financially-struggling parents, to nonWhite schools. The commenters had become raced realists to the last, and every one was filled with resentment at the horrific school years they endured to satisfy their parents’ liberal bona fides. As K(yle) noted, they’ll either survive as racists or submit as mudsharks. To knowingly sacrifice your own children to your liberal delusions is child abuse, as Bob Sykes states at the beginning of this thread.
I recently had another mother at my son’s Christian school state that she liked the increasing “diversity” of the student body, noting that blacks were fine schoolmates as long as they were Christians. I countered that increasing numbers of parents were pulling their their children from the school, particularly at the high school level (my son is just entering middle school) where so much pairing off and dating occurs. When I asked whether she’d like her children to marry one of these pious black Christians, she immediately blurted out “God, No!” and then clapped her hand to her mouth and looked around fearfully. Just doing my job, trying to coax out incipient race realism, one blinded White at a time.
There is a friend of mine, a woman with two young children, who was or is choosing a school for them. She lives in a trendy neighborhood by the Lakes, and was reluctant to send her kids to the nearer public schools due to the lack of diversity. I could not believe what I was overhearing as she told this, I remained speechless.
One thing, in my friend’s defense, there is a hold-out: She doesn’t want “too much” diversity; just the “right amount”, you see. So yeah, they want to mingle with the “good ones”. (The author of the blog referenced in the post has no such defense it seems, and she is going for a Darwin award.) These three phrases are quoted, because they are actually used, frequently!
Without too much reflection, if it were the case that we could have the “right amount” of the “good ones”, that might be one thing.
“The first question, for me, is “why”? Why does knowing about how certain racial and ethnic groups live make someone better than someone who hasn’t had a similar experience?”
Presumably she means that they won’t have the same prejudices and fears that she does.
There are two, possibly more, reactions that one can have to the fact that blacks and whites live segregated and disparate existences. They can say that this is the normal social arrangement and shouldn’t be changed, or they can say that it should be ended because we have to achieve some kind of coexistence with other groups to make us an actual “people”. The tension is there–we are all “americans” but what in the world does that mean when we have nothing in common on a group basis? And shouldn’t we try to bring the disparate elements of America together into some cohesive whole? If we don’t, then what is the alternative?
Another point already brought up in the comments. It is just another of a million-and-a-half execrable, and untrue, racial insults against Whites: the idea that too much Whiteness is bad. I guess that is not just another insult, it is at the center of the Shrine of the Universal Diversicult.
First heard this point in reference to the charge against “all-white juries”: How could they possibly evaluate a case on the evidence, if there might be a chance for them to iron out the robes, ropes and regalia and have themselves a good old one.
Living in Williamsburg or some safe pocket in Brooklyn is a way to get some “authenticity” or “street cred” without, you know, actually living in a real “diverse” environment like say, the Bronx. I have a liberal friend who does exactly that, though in a different Brooklyn neighborhood. The diversity is imported talent brought in by investment firms and other high-dollar organizations. They look different, but they all think the same way and they all reside high on the income scale.
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“Once I went to this dive bar in S. Africa and it scared the shit out of me but would you believe it? This one black African was nice to me and I was so psyched to make him happy!
“So I’m putting my kids in a shitty school because that’s the only way they could have this experience which is THE MOST IMPORTANT EXPERIENCE OF ALL which is having a black tell you that you made them happy by just being yourself around them. “
Maybe Shannon Bradley-Colleary should be charged with child endangerment. (God, that’s a lot of characters.) Does Mr. Colleary have any say in this horrible decision? Is there a Mr. Colleary?
I disagree that there should be any sort of child endangerment charge. People choose from a wide menu of options based upon their tastes and preferences. I just think it’s good enough to look at the mom with derision. She’s making a poor ethical choice, which is bad enough without speaking of criminality. It’s her cross to bear. I don’t want to play the “what about the children” game either because I truly don’t care about her children.
@ jz:
White progressives who can not afford private schools write justification essays on the benefits of diversity.
Yeah. Is she ostentatiously flaunting her liberalism, or is she screwing her game face on and mouthing platitudes to hide her panic?
According to her website, her husband is a screenwriter whose most successful movie was Face-Off, a blockbuster action flick… that came out fifteen years ago. Does a second-tier screenwriter make enough money to send his kids to an LA private school? (That’s not a rhetorical question — I don’t know the answer.)
Chuck, can you articulate why she is making an unethical choice? Not to me, but to a hypothetical liberal reader.
What the hell is a “hispanic oreo?”
Brooklyn definitely has some bad areas, they are just small in size. At least that is how it seemed to me on a recent visit. I feel safer in New York than I do in Philadelphia.
Maybe someone like Jerry Garcia.
Chuck:
I’ve thought about this a lot – I feel that the hipster “movement” is a way to increase class or value diversity w/o increasing racial diversity.
You should write a post elaborating on this. Does today’s hipster scene fetishize working-class white culture the way it did when I was a teenager?
A lot of the ’90s indie rock scene was about upper-middle-class college kids affecting a stylized form of white prole culture — cowboy shirts, trash TV, Betty Page. I still enjoy the music, but in retrospect it’s hard not to be repelled by the disingenuousness of it, with guys like Jon Spencer (Brown) and Steve Albini (Northwestern) performing in gas station uniforms and pretending to be beer-guzzling peckerwoods.
I don’t follow music like I used to, but my impression is that this isn’t a thing any more. There’s no longer any status to be gained from imitating working-class whites, even ironically.
Garcia’s Spanish surname comes from a sea-captain. I have read some things he has said about that man. They went something like, We cannot understand them, the difficulties they faced, the strength they had.
“Hispanic” as often used today does not apply to Jerry. But if that category were not confused and mis-appropriated, then sure.
PA, i’m pretty sure there’s no “h” in “wigger”.
NO? You mean to tell us, that a feminist with a hyphenated-name wants her kids to avoid the reality of black crime and instead, learn about diversity?
This all must be a sick joke! I’m outraged.
You mean to tell us, that a feminist with a hyphenated-name wants her kids to avoid the reality of black crime and instead, learn about diversity?
Well, libs normally apply the unprincipled exception to their own lives. In this case. the feminist is being very principled. Don’t you think that creates some interesting questions?
I get your gig. Firepower: you’re one of the good guys and somethign of a pain in the ass but a valuable critic. But I can tell when you go on autopilot. Like now.
PA,
setting aside that Firepower has a hard on for me for some reason, explain how the guy is a “valuable critic”. his value lies in the lulz he provides and has nothing to do with his criticism. it’s not as if he’s ever shaped the discourse or come up with any original insight on any topic that’s ever been discussed in the alt-right. if someone could spot any valuable criticism he’s provided i’ll stand corrected.
He is a “valuable critic” as a check on rightie bloggers getting complacent. Specifically to you, I have not seen a criticism that was valid. I wouldn’t worry too much about his “hard on” for you. I have no idea what thats all about. Shrug — I have my fan club too. You saw Nikos the Greek faggot (and I’ve liked all the greeks I’ve known in real life) popping up wiht passive-aggessive and distinctly effeminate jabs aimed at me over time. And then, in that recent thread here, you have a nigger (who is a sockpuppet for a prominent black blogger) whom I pwned four years ago at Roissy’s, who repeats the same thing about me every tim he addresses me. He did this at Obsidian’s old blog a ton of times when I used to comment there. At least your hater is one of the good guys, if still a pain in the ass. Honestly, when I think of Firepower, I just think of those innocuous freeverse poems.
Her girls ate going to be getting that big dick!
And herpes!
More BBB:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/10/2842095/report-multiple-gunshot-victims.html#storylink=cpy
AUBURN, Ala. — Authorities say three people were fatally shot during a party at an apartment complex near Auburn University, including two former football players at the school. Officials also said during a news conference Sunday that current football player Eric Mack had been wounded and was being treated at a hospital.The two slain former players were identified as Edward Christian and Ladarious Phillips. The other person killed was identified as Demario Pitts. Officials also said Xavier Moss and John Robertson were wounded. Police say Desmonte Leonard has been charged with capital murder and has not yet been captured.