I’d missed this video of stand-up comedian Godfrey responding to a heckler at the Comedy Cellar in New York (which is where “Louie” is partially filmed). Like Daniel Tosh’s situation, Godfrey’s heckler took offense at his discussion of rape. A white knight came to the female heckler’s defense which caused Godfrey to become aggressive and confrontational. Tosh’s opponents are angry that he personalized his rape joke to his heckler and the world stopped spinning as people discussed how out of line he was for suggesting that someone rape the woman, but Godfrey here actually attempts to pick a fight with his heckler’s white knight.
Godfrey touches on the same arguments as Tosh’s defenders – if you don’t like what a comedian is saying on stage, take it to You Tube or Twitter or a blog or whatever. Interrupting the set completely changes the dynamic and with Tosh we are now discussing his reaction to an interruption which should not have occurred in the first place.
To step back to Godfrey’s reaction to his heckler and her defender – this lends evidence to the argument that women tend to heckle more than men because they know they won’t have to square off with a guy if they piss him off. Godfrey shouts down the female heckler, but it’s not like a woman is going to lose much face by being called out for stupid behavior. Women can get away with almost anything without their reputation or ego being diminished. But when and if men act like jerks they stand a chance of coming to blows. That helps keep a pretty tight lid on these types of “microaggressions”.
This is what we’ve become as a society, the pc/feminist police out to ruin everything, and the common trait of a feminist and white knight, lack of sense of humor. fuck.
Going back to the Tosh incident, here’s a quote from the outraged feminist at the Daily Beast: “what Tosh did, consciously or not, which was to use humor to humiliate a woman who stood up for something she believed in. His “joke” was a tool to assert his power.”
What she doesn’t get is that the female heckler started this by trying to assert her power over Daniel. US women nowadays generally have the power to scream at, humiliate and even physically strike men in public without consequence. If the guy hits her back, he gets swamped by a rush of white knight manginas. She’s just mad because the guy dared to answer back instead of shutting his mouth and staring at the ground.
Tosh’s mistake was apologizing, even if he truly was sorry. That’s because the PC police don’t view an apology as a chance to forgive and move on. They view it as a show of weakness, and they press their attack even harder. Here is how things generally go:
1. Public figure says something “offensive”.
2. Media and grievance-mongers demand apology.
3. Public figure issues apology.
4. Regardless of contents, apology is roundly rejected and derided as weak and insincere.
5. Public figure is fired from his job by his nervous bosses.
6. News cycle ends, and PC lynch mob searches for a new target.
7. Several months after “scandal”, public figure gets new job. Sometimes.
This got me thinking whether the PC crowd is the new “most offended class,” replacing stodgy conservatives in Lenny Bruce’s day. I Googled “offensive remarks” it came up more or less on the side of that idea on the first page.
Ricky Gervais “gay joke,” Robert De Niro “immigration joke,” Roland Martin’s tweets, something aimed at autistics (via 50 cent of all people), and Hillary Clinton’s something-or-other about Armenian genocide.
There’s money and power in being a victim. This is normally a good thing when the victims of abuse and crimes can come forward and seek retribution. The problem is that hearing offensive jokes and being offended about it has become something that justifies victim-status. This allows you to get someone fired, lead a boycott, solicit donations, or even sue an entertainer for emotional distress. There have been whole organizations that survive on Howard Stern. He used to say offensive shit, the group would send out an email or newsletter asking for donations to get him off the air and the cycle would continue.
There is a great appearence of Patrice O’Neal on Fox News where he dishes out some real talk about comedy. Even when the joke fails, the attempt must be respected. Listen, there is a demand for dark comedy whether anyone likes it or not. And sometimes dark comedy is going to fall flat just like happy, safe Seinfeld comedy. You have to let both processes complete themselves.
Here’s how you handle the recent wave of PC thuggery. Just ignore it and never apologize. Once you apologize, then they have power over you. Either ignore it or stand behind what you do. That’s the only way this shit is going to stop.
This is what we’ve become as a society, the pc/feminist police out to ruin everything, and the common trait of a feminist and white knight, lack of sense of humor. fuck.
Well, she won, since he spent all his time ranting about it and never got around to saying anything funny.
I guarantee that Chuck more than ayone else will like this smackdown of a heckler.
PA, yeah I enjoy that one. I also enjoyed Yorke’s smackdown of Kanye West and Miley Cyrus which I’ve posted on here before.
Going back to the Tosh incident, here’s a quote from the outraged feminist at the Daily Beast: “what Tosh did, consciously or not, which was to use humor to humiliate a woman who stood up for something she believed in. His “joke” was a tool to assert his power.”
What she doesn’t get is that the female heckler started this by trying to assert her power over Daniel. US women nowadays generally have the power to scream at, humiliate and even physically strike men in public without consequence. If the guy hits her back, he gets swamped by a rush of white knight manginas. She’s just mad because the guy dared to answer back instead of shutting his mouth and staring at the ground.
Tosh’s mistake was apologizing, even if he truly was sorry. That’s because the PC police don’t view an apology as a chance to forgive and move on. They view it as a show of weakness, and they press their attack even harder. Here is how things generally go:
1. Public figure says something “offensive”.
2. Media and grievance-mongers demand apology.
3. Public figure issues apology.
4. Regardless of contents, apology is roundly rejected and derided as weak and insincere.
5. Public figure is fired from his job by his nervous bosses.
6. News cycle ends, and PC lynch mob searches for a new target.
7. Several months after “scandal”, public figure gets new job. Sometimes.
Roman candle,
Correct but for #7. Usually ,no.
Where’s Lenny Bruce when ya need him?
Of course that women can do that, they have an army of white knights ready to jump at her defense (including the blue thugs and the thugs with robes).
This got me thinking whether the PC crowd is the new “most offended class,” replacing stodgy conservatives in Lenny Bruce’s day. I Googled “offensive remarks” it came up more or less on the side of that idea on the first page.
Ricky Gervais “gay joke,” Robert De Niro “immigration joke,” Roland Martin’s tweets, something aimed at autistics (via 50 cent of all people), and Hillary Clinton’s something-or-other about Armenian genocide.
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There’s money and power in being a victim. This is normally a good thing when the victims of abuse and crimes can come forward and seek retribution. The problem is that hearing offensive jokes and being offended about it has become something that justifies victim-status. This allows you to get someone fired, lead a boycott, solicit donations, or even sue an entertainer for emotional distress. There have been whole organizations that survive on Howard Stern. He used to say offensive shit, the group would send out an email or newsletter asking for donations to get him off the air and the cycle would continue.
There is a great appearence of Patrice O’Neal on Fox News where he dishes out some real talk about comedy. Even when the joke fails, the attempt must be respected. Listen, there is a demand for dark comedy whether anyone likes it or not. And sometimes dark comedy is going to fall flat just like happy, safe Seinfeld comedy. You have to let both processes complete themselves.
Here’s how you handle the recent wave of PC thuggery. Just ignore it and never apologize. Once you apologize, then they have power over you. Either ignore it or stand behind what you do. That’s the only way this shit is going to stop.
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