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The gay agitprop about Sally Ride’s death is pretty disgusting and shameful.
Was she ashamed of her gayness, or was it that her sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with her public/professional life? FFS, these people with there in your face homosexual agenda should grow up, and realize their butt-piracy and rug-munchery is as welcome to my/hetro’s ears as us making a big production about how hard we banged some chick. It isn’t! Normal (as in not sex workers),peoples sex lives is private and nobody’s dang business. If they don’t want to be “judged”, easy don’t put it out in public. After all how would they judge me if I let slip I liked to pleasure myself while wearing a gorilla mask and watching Mexican day laborers mowing lawns on video tape.
But seriously its her life her business. She doesn’t owe crap to any lifestyle subgroup’s cultural agenda.
Great comment Stickman, made me laugh out loud!
I have gay friends the reason we are friends is the hundred things that we agree on and have in common the one thing we don’t have in common is of no interest to me.
You have to understand that you and I are from different generations that Fierstein. We went to college or perhaps even high school with kids who were gay (I did, anyway). And maybe it wasn’t so big a deal.
For his generation it was, so having Ride come out is symbolically important for him. I think he’s right in this case. And I don’t necessarily see this as a “gay issue,” I see it as a human issue.
I grew up in a religious Catholic family. I’m a bit older than you, so I’m from a generation where my parents, and their parents, were irrationally religious. I was born with an chronic illness that had me in the hospital for much of my childhood. While the illness was bad, what was worse was the family’s irrational sense that “God was punishing us,” specifically me, and I was told not to speak about my illness to anyone and that it was something I needed to be ashamed about. I was also told I shouldn’t marry or have kids (ironically, I followed some of this advice and between hard work and new medicines, I’m one of the 10 percent of people who overcame my illness so I could in fact have lived normally).
Anyway, my point is that people should not be ashamed simply because they’re different. And I’m guessing here that all of you “fit in” and got to take gym classes, hang with the normal kids, and lead normal lives. I’d like to see the commenters live my life or the life of a gay man before judging. People who grow up “shamed” and forced to sit on the sidelines view the world differently. Different should not equal “shame,” no matter what your bible says. Maybe to you I’m conflating two ideas here and coming off like Lady Gaga, but I see a larger issue here and I totally get where Fierstein is coming from.
It doesn’t sound like she tried to hide the fact that she is a lesbian, she just wasn’t politically active about it. If a woman is masculine in appearance, mannerisms and interests, there is a good chance she is a lesbian. It’s gay men who seem to run the gamut of characteristics.
Lol… Does a person have to literally pronounce, “I am self-annihilator… Hear me roar without an ounce of shame,” for us to know that that person is homosexual?
Isn’t just the look and life path of Sally Ride all the “coming out” she needs to provide?
All one has to do is look at a picture of Sally Ride flying spacecraft and her dykeness goes without saying.
What this homosexual clown is really saying is that Sally Ride wasn’t nearly as shameless as himself in the pursuit of propagating their self-annihilating ways. Where she just wore her dykeness without comment, he thinks he get to look “normal” while he loudly asserts his homosexual ways.
Perhaps being a dyke was not what her life was all about Harvey. Perhaps it was something she did but not the basis of her whole identity Harvey. Some people accomplish more in life besides stimulating someone else’s piss flaps.
I think it was Pat Buchanan who said “The love that dare not speak its name” has become the love that won’t shut up. Sally Ride was a class act, Harvey F. not so much.
From his twitter feed: “SALLY RIDE rode off into space but was too frightened to come out of the closet. Lesson? Aliens aren’t as scary as homophobes.”
How dare she not wear her personal life on her sleeve for all to cheer or jeer.
DBA, I get your point but any sympathy I have for the Harvey Fiersteins out there is lost when I’m told I have nothing to complain about in life as I’m “your average priviledged white guy” who has had everything handed to him when I clearly have not.
If only she’d wept for what children? Seriously, get a grip, Harvey!
I wonder if Ms. Ride chose not to come out publicly because that might limit the inspiration her achievement would give to straight women and girls?
Sally Ride died and her chain of life which had its genesis at the origin of life comes to its last link. Self-annihilation. Every single human being has a chain of life that extends back to the very beginning of Life itself. The homosexual consciously and by his very self-annihilating “nature” desires and then decides to be that last link in his chain. He must not feel shame in this desire for self-annihilation and he must convince others with the same desire to not feel shame. So that creature Harvey is quite displeased that Sally Ride was not more shameless in “coming out” with these self-annihilating desires. She had a platform in which to spread this message and chose not to and Harvey does not like that one bit.
There is just nothing shameful about self-annihilation. It is absolutely liberating.
Why did Sally Ride keep her sexual orientation to herself?
I don’t know, maybe it’s because not every gay person is a Professional Homosexual.
@ Thordaddy,
Butch handle BTW. You despise homos yet are concerned that by not reproducing they are breaking some sacred ontological chain; yet how in your reckoning is that chain not defective?
Just be proud of your natural manly feelings of disgust and state them simply. Whatever its causes or qualities homosexuality is just an epiphenonemon. Your attempts to make it the center of evil in the world make you seem like an obsessive crank.
Kai…
I have both pity and compassion for self-annihilators, but I despise purported self-annihilators who preach self-annihilation to the masses.
Sally Ride practiced, but did not preach self-annihilation. She wore her “coming out,” but did not put it on others.
Harvey purports to practice self-annihilation AND he self-evidently “preaches” it. He is shameless about his “preaching”and wishes after her death that Sally Ride would have been equally shameless.
He is to be despised as it is quite rational to despise “preachers” of self-annihilation.
PS To claim my handle is dyke-like is to show how radically liberal you really are.
thor (my middle name, pagan god) + daddy (a father, myself times four) = dyke-like handle.
It’s like A=B. The radical liberal formula.
There are deaf people who are glad they’re deaf and wish to remain so. There are no hearing people who wish for deafness.
There are blind people who state they’ve accepted being blind, that being blind has helped them “see” things they might not have were they sighted. Unlike the many in the deaf community, not too many blind people say they wouldn’t care to see. There are no sighted people who wish for blindness.
Most, many (?) adult homosexuals in our society do not wish to be straight or so they say. No straight people wish to be gay.
No straight people wish to be gay….and that is really what’s eating at people like Harvey. They’ll try to tell you that all they want is for homosexuality not to be seen as “wrong, bad, disordered, the result of maldevelopment” etc. That’s not what they want, not people like Harvey. What they want is for homosexuality to be in everyone’s eyes, “equal to” heterosexuality…not just legally, but in everyone’s mind.
For that to be possible, straights would have to value homosexuality as a trait. To value a trait, it has to confer an advantage such that it becomes desired for oneself. Height is such a trait, as long as one isn’t too tall. Beauty is such a trait. Intelligence is such a trait.
Harvey, it’s okay. You can be homosexual and be okay with it. I’m okay with it….but I don’t want it for myself or for my kids. It’s not a trait I value. Next time I get pregnant, I’m not going to say, “Oh, wow, I hope this one’s homosexual.”
And you can’t change that, Harvey. And that’s what pisses you off.
Sally Ride, my guess is, was content with who she was and with what she had accomplished and given to the world. I suppose she may even have thought, “The journey’s the thing, and everyone one must travel her own path. Let me not impose my journey on anyone else.” She was a lady.
Now shut the f–k up, Harvey and any other a-hole like him.