Matt Lewis is walking a fine line. He’s already been accused of being overly sympathetic to Todd Akin. Today he writes a post trying again to figure out what Akin meant by the term ‘legitimate rape’:
As Akin learned, attempting to distinguish between “legitimate rape” and anything else, is fraught with danger. But maybe — just maybe — the distinction is necessary precisely because some on the left have attempted to change the definition of what constitutes rape.
He cites a post by Slate’s Emily Yoffe (aka Dear Prudence) who suggested to the friend of a woman who initially felt remorseful about having drunken sex that she shouldn’t pursue rape charges against the man. But under the “rape is rape” narrative, this classification of rape – one which occurs in a hazy type of consent rather than no consent at all – would warrant a government-financed abortion. This isn’t to say that Akin is let off the hook for his overall comments. But pertaining to his discussion of “legitimate rape”, we can discuss the rape spectrum as it’s been called.
Lewis continues:
Yoffe, I think correctly, advised against ruining this man’s life — adding that these sorts of accusations, “makes it that much harder for women who are assaulted to bring charges.” (Note: We don’t know if the man was drunk, too. Is it rape if a sober woman has sex with a drunken man?)
My purely anecdotal guess is that about 98 percent of sex takes place when one or both parties are buzzed, meaning that, by that definition, most of us were the product of rape (the rules apply with drunken married sex, too). Most of us probably owe our very existence to alcohol.
I’d agree with him that a lot of sex takes place in an inebriated state. I hate to think that so many of those acts could be arbitrarily classified as rape which is why I’ve previously argued that word ‘rape’ should be completely divorced from such acts.
I’d cite other feminists who will distort the concept of rape as it fits their narrative. Hugo Schwzyer introduced us to the concept of ‘accidental rape’ to describe his interaction with a girlfriend who he retroactively discovered didn’t really want to have sex with him. She did it anyway out of a sense of duty and/or because she didn’t want to reject the boy. ‘Rape’ shouldn’t even be in the ballpark of that discussion and the fact that it is supports Lewis’ claim that many people are just flat-out confused about what actually constitutes rape.
Then we have Amanda Marcotte who, with conservative writer Michael Brendan Dougherty, discussed fictional character Don Draper’s aggressive tactics towards a female business partner.
By the strict terms of consent as feminists describe it, that was a rape. But it was Don Draper so…
Point it, the entire discussion is based upon arbitrary conceptions of rape. Nailing someone for using the term ‘legitimate rape’ when there is a distinct difference between a forced, violent, random, stranger-perpetrated rape and one in which the involved woman is sometimes not even sure herself whether or not a rape occurred is pure political gamesmanship. And it’s a confusion which has been created through the use of fuzzy terminology that is for some reason off limits for discussion.
Add in the fact that some women apparently fantasize about rape, and that a good number of rape accusations are false, and the matter of rape legitimacy becomes quite complicated indeed.
The feminist-Marxists have also taken over the term “rape” completely — I’ve had some friends over the years (mostly male, but some female) get castigated by the local community feminist-Marxist for using the term rape outside of a sexually aggressive attack.
The term rape comes from the Latin “rapere” which means “to plunder or despoil” or “to abduct” or “to carry off by force” or “to seize by force.”
Rape can and should be used when anyone uses force to acquire or plunder anything of another individual. Of course, the feminist-Marxists hate that the word had a long history before the sexual connotation.
The proper Latin term for sexual assault is “stuprum”. But then women would have to say they had “date stuprum” and that doesn’t sound as good as “RAAAAAAAAAPE”.
Marcotte addresses rape fantasies in the B’Heads discussion I link to at the bottom of the post. She believes that because female sexuality is restricted in our society (but, what about that Hanna Rosin piece supporting the idea that women are free to participate in hook up culture) that sexual desires come out in the form of rape fantasies. It allows them a way to get to have sex without feeling ashamed about having sex. Sounds just-so to me.
Calling it a just-so story gives it too much credit. It’s just an out-and-out fabrication because Marcotte’s ideology needs some way to pin blame on men for women’s sexual fantasies.
I read the Hugo article. That man is a bitch. His conversation with his fwb hookup is pure gamesmanship.
“Are you saying I raped you?”
BOOM! Logical fucking fallacy. Non-seqitur. But also a perfect case of agree and amplify. She offers a moderate shit test, he responds by depth charging her emotions to preserve the hamster spin.
Atkins got this information from a doctor friend. If he wants to drive out the poisonous rhetoric of liberalism, he has to do it with cold hard scientific study a la heartiste. He can begin by quoting the doctor.
Surely Schwyzer should report his transgression to authorities and insist on prosecution. Hopefully the statue of limitations has not expired and he can go to prison and experience some diversity up close.
That’s the best explanation I’ve seen, Lara. And it makes the most sense. Remember, the psychologists use to tell us that rapists didn’t ejaculate because “rape was about power, not sex.” I think this is where Aikin’s confusion comes from, too many “evolving definitions” of rape.
Thanks Mike. Another thing I was thinking of, these ambiguous date rape rules are going to snag less intelligent men far more often than more intelligent men. Less intelligent men often have poor communication skills and aren’t as good at reading body language. Less intelligent men can understand pulling a woman off the street and raping her is wrong, but they will be confused in more nuanced situations.
I believe the reason Mike Tyson is so angry at his accuser is because he doesn’t think he did anything wrong.
The only people that can’t understand what Akin meant are the radical liberals.
To get pregnant by rape means a female must be raped on that ONE DAY every month when she is ovulating. If a female is raped in the days before ovulating where the sperm can live for up to 3-5 days then she can destroy the sperm in various manners. So to really get pregnant via rape a female almost certainly has to be ovulating. This is ONE DAY per month. The rarity of pregnancy by VIOLENT rape is obvious. And this does not even account for Akin’s main point. This point being that if in the rare occasion that a female was LEGITIMATELY raped during ovulation, the BODY/MIND, through psychological and physiological mechanisms triggered by a VIOLENT sexual assault, has ways to reject the sperm from fertilizing the egg. Whether this is ultimately true has never even been discussed for the very reason that if it is true then the rape/incest red herring is even redder. The plausibility of Akin’s point seems incontrovertible.
“Observe the courtship of cats. On the one hand the pussy came when the tomcat called her, on the other hand the tomcat beat the hell out of her. If human courtship is usually more subtle and nuanced than that of cats, this makes it harder to interpret in terms of coercion and consent, not easier.”
Cunts like Marcotte just bullshit to sound good, which as always means she’s blatantly inconsistent from minute to minute.
Of course if women are truly so vilified for sex that said women even create “rape” in their fantasy sex lives, then imagine what said women do when they have real sex. By God I’m sure they’d be even more prone to cry “rape” to shed responsibility.
Add in the fact that some women apparently fantasize about rape, and that a good number of rape accusations are false, and the matter of rape legitimacy becomes quite complicated indeed.
The feminist-Marxists have also taken over the term “rape” completely — I’ve had some friends over the years (mostly male, but some female) get castigated by the local community feminist-Marxist for using the term rape outside of a sexually aggressive attack.
The term rape comes from the Latin “rapere” which means “to plunder or despoil” or “to abduct” or “to carry off by force” or “to seize by force.”
Rape can and should be used when anyone uses force to acquire or plunder anything of another individual. Of course, the feminist-Marxists hate that the word had a long history before the sexual connotation.
The proper Latin term for sexual assault is “stuprum”. But then women would have to say they had “date stuprum” and that doesn’t sound as good as “RAAAAAAAAAPE”.
Simon,
Marcotte addresses rape fantasies in the B’Heads discussion I link to at the bottom of the post. She believes that because female sexuality is restricted in our society (but, what about that Hanna Rosin piece supporting the idea that women are free to participate in hook up culture) that sexual desires come out in the form of rape fantasies. It allows them a way to get to have sex without feeling ashamed about having sex. Sounds just-so to me.
@C.R.
Calling it a just-so story gives it too much credit. It’s just an out-and-out fabrication because Marcotte’s ideology needs some way to pin blame on men for women’s sexual fantasies.
Don Draper: “Excuse me, would it be alright if I were lift your lovely skirt and proceeded to rub my index finger against your clitoris?
Woman: “Hmmm. I will allow 11 strokes and no more! 12 or more will be Raaaaaaape. Please sign this Fingering Contract here, and here”
Don Draper : “An excellent deal. *signs*”
Woman: “Also, you should keep in mind that I had one beer sometime today, so I have the right to rescind this contract if I do not reach orgasm.”
I feel like the “rape is rape” narrative is just a way to shut down any discussion on the subject. It’s comparable to “that’s racist”.
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When you read sh*t like this:
http://classic.xojane.com/sex/i-cant-stop-hate-masturbating-paul-ryan
You realize deep down inside women want to be raped. Just has to be the right guy and done with some style.
I read the Hugo article. That man is a bitch. His conversation with his fwb hookup is pure gamesmanship.
“Are you saying I raped you?”
BOOM! Logical fucking fallacy. Non-seqitur. But also a perfect case of agree and amplify. She offers a moderate shit test, he responds by depth charging her emotions to preserve the hamster spin.
Atkins got this information from a doctor friend. If he wants to drive out the poisonous rhetoric of liberalism, he has to do it with cold hard scientific study a la heartiste. He can begin by quoting the doctor.
Surely Schwyzer should report his transgression to authorities and insist on prosecution. Hopefully the statue of limitations has not expired and he can go to prison and experience some diversity up close.
That’s the best explanation I’ve seen, Lara. And it makes the most sense. Remember, the psychologists use to tell us that rapists didn’t ejaculate because “rape was about power, not sex.” I think this is where Aikin’s confusion comes from, too many “evolving definitions” of rape.
Thanks Mike. Another thing I was thinking of, these ambiguous date rape rules are going to snag less intelligent men far more often than more intelligent men. Less intelligent men often have poor communication skills and aren’t as good at reading body language. Less intelligent men can understand pulling a woman off the street and raping her is wrong, but they will be confused in more nuanced situations.
I believe the reason Mike Tyson is so angry at his accuser is because he doesn’t think he did anything wrong.
The only people that can’t understand what Akin meant are the radical liberals.
To get pregnant by rape means a female must be raped on that ONE DAY every month when she is ovulating. If a female is raped in the days before ovulating where the sperm can live for up to 3-5 days then she can destroy the sperm in various manners. So to really get pregnant via rape a female almost certainly has to be ovulating. This is ONE DAY per month. The rarity of pregnancy by VIOLENT rape is obvious. And this does not even account for Akin’s main point. This point being that if in the rare occasion that a female was LEGITIMATELY raped during ovulation, the BODY/MIND, through psychological and physiological mechanisms triggered by a VIOLENT sexual assault, has ways to reject the sperm from fertilizing the egg. Whether this is ultimately true has never even been discussed for the very reason that if it is true then the rape/incest red herring is even redder. The plausibility of Akin’s point seems incontrovertible.
A powerful orgasm or a “peak” expereince such as rape or seeing the Beatles live can trigger ovulation.
Look what happened in the last Canadian election when a retired judge running for the Liberal Party tried to argue against mandatory minimums for rape based on the reality of differring degrees of rape. He was quickly shouted down with cries of “rape-is-rape!”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-tripped-up-for-second-day-running-by-own-candidate/article1975802/
Legitimate rape:
http://blog.jim.com/culture/legitimate-rape.html
“Observe the courtship of cats. On the one hand the pussy came when the tomcat called her, on the other hand the tomcat beat the hell out of her. If human courtship is usually more subtle and nuanced than that of cats, this makes it harder to interpret in terms of coercion and consent, not easier.”
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@Reym
Cunts like Marcotte just bullshit to sound good, which as always means she’s blatantly inconsistent from minute to minute.
Of course if women are truly so vilified for sex that said women even create “rape” in their fantasy sex lives, then imagine what said women do when they have real sex. By God I’m sure they’d be even more prone to cry “rape” to shed responsibility.