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I love the snarky comparison in West’s first paragraph. I mean, actually, yes, being injured in an industrial accident is probably a lot worse than getting “treated like shit” in a social or professional situation, especially since feminists define “treated like shit” to mean “not treated like what I just said is the most brilliant and creative thing anyone’s come up with all year”.
Women talk three times as much as men anyway, so if the bitches* talk 75% only as much when surrounded by men, they’re still talking more.
*Where women speak of ‘women and dudes,’ I speak of ‘men and bitches.’
Ownership of land can’t realistically exist outside of a grant of such by the sovereign which controls that land. (Read Johnson vs. McIntosh for a version of this as it relates to attempts by some whites to claim to title to land they bought from Indian tribes). So, in the case of real property, property rights derive from the existence of the sovereign government.
In the case of tangible real property (for example, the clothes on my back), this is a harder notion to defend, particularly personal property actually created through labor. Would really say that the Indians didn’t have an inherent right to their own clothing and other personal property just because the US government didn’t expressly grant it to them?
Obviously, money is a bit of third category, since it simply doesn’t exist as a medium of exchange without the government backing it (putting aside gold as money), but the wealth it represents tends to represent the product of labor or creation, as with the tangible personal property. So, it’s one thing to say the property right wouldn’t exist but for the sovereign, but unless we are just as prepared to say that the US government had every right to strip the native americans of all of their personal possessions, the argument seems to fall short.
of course tribal indians fought each other over access to land, so if we’re gonna go down that route, the land “rightfully” doesn’t belong to them either. no matter how much we may find it distasteful, might makes right is the operative principle here. it is and always has been. may the best culture win.
tribes that refuse to acknowledge the first principle primacy of might are doomed to suffer the only alternative: extinction.
“Native Americans” is a 100% social construct. The defeat and taking of land from a multitude of different tribes was played by the exact same rules that these tribes played by in taking land from other tribes. The “native Americans” largely accepted their defeat because “we” played by their rules.
If you’re a white US-born English speaker, you’re a Native American. It’s up to you to use another name for the aboriginal peoples of this continent, if “Indians” is impractical because of confusion with south Asians.
If you aren’t a native son of any place, you’re a man without a country, an exile.
domestic violence alright, she’s smothering his fingers with her boob and choking him to death with her hair, just look at his gaping mouth.
The Vogue cover depicts another scrawny girl and another un-masculine guy. Same as any magazine cover on any given day. Sigh.
@PA
In Canada, they are often called “First Nation Peoples”. Aboriginals works okay too.
Of course, you could argue that America refers to the entirety of North, Central and South America. In which case citizens of the USA should find another name to call themselves besides Americans. Yankees?
chuck, as a libertarian, how does any “might makes right” argument “hold up”? I thought the whole point of nozickian libertarianism was person A has legitimate title to property P iff A acquired P through an unbroken chain of just transactions, beginning with a just acquisition.
on another issue, what do you think about a Nozickian case for slavery reparations? on this view, reparations would be seen as the the inheritance that the ancestors of slaves would have received if their ancestors had received due compensation for their labor.
jimmy,
yeah, my comment there was a bit flippant. i meant to imply that i wasn’t convinced by the arguments laid out (however briefly) in the pieces i linked to. they posit a statute of limitations should hold sway but based on what grounds?
Yankees?
Yankees is associated with northerners. Southerners see Yankees as an enemy. Mencius Moldbug suggested “Amerikaners” or “Americaners” (similar to Boer Afrikaners), but doubtful that’s gonna take.
“American” really does mean Anlgo/Christian-white in the eyes of people throughout the world. I’d urge native Americans to reclaim the name. It’s theirs. Especially since other citizens have rejected the word for a hyphenated variant.
jimmy,
i honestly don’t know where i come down on it. i can justify any number of arguments which depend on different premises which i’ve not come to a conclusion on either.
GLP and Lara got a nice shoutout at VFR today.
Solutrean hypothesis. Ice age Columbus. Kennewick man.
Nuff said.
All land was obtained by force at one point. Then truces and agreements started to take hold. Everyone figured out that peace was better for all involved and nobody thinks about disputing most borders now. We assume that laws define territory because the level of peace we now enjoy is unprecidented. We forget that laws must be backed up by force and they are.
At one point, most of the powers settled their own differences and tried to spread this peace aroind the world.
European wars were evenly matched. N.American Indians were ill equiped to deal with the forces of technology forged out of the competition in Europe. It was inevitable.
Re: Vogue cover.
It looks like a female fantasy. Alpha male adoration. She is in control.
PA…
No doubt… Most of us “white boys” are 100% native American. The only real native American there is, actually. OTOH, “Native American” is a 100% social construct. It is a label that can be just as freely worn as it can be freely discarded. The label, even down to its capitalization (there’s that word again), is an attempt to elevate a multitude of disparate tribes into a credible collective force opposed to “white Supremacy.” It has largely failed because the white man played by “Indian” rules and the “Indians” have largely and graciously accepted that long ago defeat.
“may the best culture win”
yes, and judging by demography it looks People of Color have the best culture by a mile!
Put your freak on Anti-Racist you just knocked the white boys out of the park. Now comes the time to put the boots down. Are you with us Soldier?
I the Vogue cover, he’s just getting her back to the kitchen where she belongs…
I refuse to refer to Ameri-Indians as Native Americans since we know that there were humans settled on the Americas before the migration of the Amer-Indian populations. Pointing this out also undermines the, “This land is theirs!” No, because it was someone else’s long ago, they were just a lot less humane in their treatment of conquered peoples.
Ultimately it is all about might makes right. Everything else is just a pretty lie.
“People Of Color…”
Justanother
radical liberal construct
so why even bother, brother?
get wit da white girls
n’diss your mother!
Angry black woman…
“Come out from under the covers.”
these nigel sons ain’t lovers
they’re haters
invaders
scoff the law
get punished
and raid granny’s ‘frigerator
these fools are master baiters
give nothing bums
all takers
ain’t a black Supremacist in sight
only DarK Vaders!
There’s an evil hiding in them “People of Color.”
Some kind of primitive Terminator…
Dr. G,
if you want my attention so badly, go through the proper channels. email works.
The Soultreans don’t even really matter. The Injuns our ancestors took the land from in turn took it from other Injuns themselves, so if the argument is “This land is theirs!” based on the notion of theft, that’s still wrong. They were the winners, and under this model all land ultimately belongs to the losers. The people that have lost the most, own the most, for great justice.
No land ownership that predates the existence of present polities belonged to anyone ‘legally’, so can’t be ‘stolen’ in the first place. If it can be stolen, it already was. In the 21st century no land anywhere has “original owners” anymore. In the 21st century BC no land anywhere had “original owners” anymore. Even groups like Basques and Ainu can’t lay legitimate claim as “original owners” of anything since they cannot show an unbroken line of inheritance.
The question, “Who is the new Czar?”, doesn’t have an answer and never will. The Russian Empire of the early 20th century has no legal connection with the Russian Federation only a hundred years later. Russia, the polity, did not inherit anything from Russia. It stole it. The Ainu have no claim to Japan, because no doubt everything the Ainu had when the mainlanders arrived that would one day be “The Japanese”, was stolen from other Ainu.
Of course that means that currently all land is and will always be up for grabs, and that might does make “right”. That’s not a moral statement though, so don’t get hung up on the terminology. Might makes reality. Political power does extend from the barrel of a rifle, and that’s descriptive of reality, not of some corrupt, and curable situation that will one day pass via “voluntarism”.
more hateful comments from Amanda Marcotte….
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2012/09/19/is-it-rape-if-you-dont-mean-for-it-to-be-rape/#comment-526368
If you read cultural anthropology books written in the mid-1970s (before political correctness killed anthropology) you will see that America was probably populated from people all over the world, and they became the present day “Natives”. In America B.C. (by Barry Fell), he follows the written languages (petroglyphs) found around North America and has spotted a lot of ancient Ogham writings (Celtic ~3500BC), hieroglyphics in the Northeast that correspond strongly with Egyptian hieroglyphics, Libyan language in the American Southwest, and Phoenician languages scattered here and there. So, in my mind, North America is already owned by the descendants of the original inhabitants of the land. Academia disputes Fell’s findings, but Fell has a very interesting argument.
So Szasz is finally dead, huh? Good riddance. The man did more damage to people with psychiatric illness than anyone since Freud. Szasz held that the mentally ill were just people being punished for being “different”. Unfortunately for him, people with depression, bipolar disease, autism and schizophrenics really do have inherent chemical and/or structural brain abnormalities and need some form of treatment and/or therapy, not just being turned loose so they could live in cardboard boxes on the streets.
Szasz was a left-wing power-to-the-people idiot and left behind him many dead bodies and shattered lives.
As I commented over at JayMan’s when he brought up a related subject, drives which are expressed as “kink” in higher-IQ individuals are more likely expressed as “domestic violence” in lower-IQ individuals. A smart person with sadistic desires will find a willing masochist, control their sadism, and have a “safe, sane, consensual” kinky relationship. A dumb person will beat up their significant other until the cops notice. And a dumb masochist, like Rihanna, will want to go back to the guy who beats her up.
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