In my discussion of the hate crime hoax out of Louisiana last week, I linked to a piece at Salon which basically made the argument: “It doesn’t matter that the hate crime was fabricated because discussing this still does more good than harm by highlighting a problem which does actually exist.”
Though I’m not surprised that a liberal has ever made this type of argument, I was surprised by the timeliness of a passage in Christopher Lasch’s The Revolt of the Elites which touched on the Tawana Brawley case (here is The New Republic piece by Jim Sleeper from which Lasch borrowed):
When the “rape” of Tawana Brawley, proclaimed by Al Sharpton and Alton Maddox as a typical case of white oppression, was exposed as a hoax, the anthropologist Stanley Diamond argued in the Nation that “it doesn’t matter whether the crime occurred or not.” Even if the incident was staged by “black actors,” it was staged with “skill and controlled hysteria” and described what “actually happens to too many black women.” William Kunstler took the same predictable line: “It makes no difference anymore whether the attack on Tawana really happened…[It] doesn’t disguise the fact that a lot of young black women are treated the way she was treated.” It was to the credit of black militants, Kunstler added, that they “now have an issue with which they can grab the headlines and launch a vigorous attack on the criminal justice system.”
As becomes clearer through the years, black women are rarely ever targeted by white men for rape or hate crime. This should be a positive turn of events, yet it seems likely that many purveyors of victimology wish that white men would just behave as evilly as everyone knows that they are deep down inside.
This Machiavellian quality seems to be a rhetorical device employed almost exclusively by liberals. It’s a function of their having majority control of media outlets and seeing it as their job to utilize it as a tool to uproot the evil which they just know exists deep in the heart of white supremacist capitalistic patriarchy. They believe that any examples they come up with that expose the evil of the status quo are valid regardless of if they are perfectly truthful. So when they inevitably turn out to be hoaxes they just shrug their shoulders with the belief that it is only a matter of time before they score The Big One.
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It’s all about the narrative… and power.
Lasch’s “Revolt of the Elites” is rather scary to read due to his great feel for the state of the mid ’90s and where things were headed. While the “Culture of Narcissism” might be a more powerful book, RoE is a bit easier to read. Either book is amazing in its ability to see trends and their futures.
This is actually engaging in circular reasoning. Why don’t Muslim women in Europe complain about systematic rape by non-Muslims?
black women are so universally undesirable, it’s hard to imagine a non-black ever raping one
in jamaica, black men watch transfixed as their girlfriends apply skin bleaching cream, preferring to help them bleach their skin than to fuck them. the great black studs would rather lay blue-balled next to a woman becoming whiter than actually fuck. lol!
The search for the Great White Defendant is what gave is George Zimmerman.
White men have no desire to hurt or rape black women. Even the most angry, misogynistic white men don’t express much anger towards black women. These crimes are just not in keeping with how white men think.
Totally off topic – but who will win the election ?
Obama is paying $1.30 and Romney $3.20. Which makes Romney a big outsider. Is it worth putting a few bucks on him ?
This is hotly disputed by black people. More interestingly, black men rape both white women AND white men(in prison). Did white slave owners rape young black men?
@oogenhand
I wouldn’t put it past them, but we’ll never know for certain since men can’t get pregnant.
We know for certain they did at the very least have sex with their female slaves, whether we should call it rape, eh i don’t know.
Owning slaves was bad enough, no need to try and make it sound worse. My guess is that for most slave owners, their dowdy wives were enough for them. Their main vices were probably laziness and too much whiskey.
“it doesn’t matter whether the crime occurred or not…”
Erm, yes it does, for the simple reason that you’re supposed to go after real criminals than made-up ones.
This is the same line of reasoning as low incidences of rape being bad news to feminists. It just means lots of unreported rapes, because the idea of lots of rapes not always happening everywhere is completely impossible.
I’m sure a fair number of slaveholders, overseers, et cetera partook of their female slaves. The percent of white admixture in African-Americans didn’t happen from the late 19th century onward.
That doesn’t really speak to the desirability of African women though, just the difficulty of turning down NSA, easy sex. Fat sluts probably get laid more, by more men than 8s, 9s, and 10s, but that’s because they often aren’t asking for anything in return (regardless of what they are hoping for).
Lots of white men today would go for black chicks if one offered an effort-free fling. Rape is hardly effort-free however.
“Lots of white men today would go for black chicks if one offered an effort-free fling.”
All yours…
I didn’t say they would brag about it.
slave owners raped many Women of Color
slave owners raped many Women of Color
Yes, and now Black females in America can sometimes have decent hair and lighter skin than ass-ugly African women.
And don’t forget Soulja Boy and his “shout out to the slave masters”!!:
http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2011/04/soulja-boy-bigger-idiot-than-i-thought.html
“I didn’t say they would brag about it.”
Ah yes, the down low…
Lots of white men today would go for black chicks if one offered an effort-free fling.
You don’t know much about black women if you think it requires effort to get them in bed.
STD’s and illegitimacy are rampant in the black community for a reason, mostly due to black chicks just giving it away.
Black chicks love sex, and can be pretty good at it. They are totally unsuitable for real relationships though, they think entirely with their vaginas.
i know one thing
white girls sure love Black Men!
white girls sure love Black Men!
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They share bikes.
This one time I was out and about with a late-20 white guy of average height and looks, but with brilliant if very wild and undisciplined natural game. We interacted with two fat, jawly, hulking ghetto-looking black women on two different occasions that evening. They were a cafeteria lady and a security guard. Think Bubba’s mom in “Forest Gump,” but younger.
And he flirted with each one. To the security officer black chick he said “aren’t you gonna strip-search me?” I’ve never before in my life seen a white guy flirt with a black woman who didn’t happen to be in the top 1% for black attractiveness.
I also saw something else that day I’ve never seen before: a hulking Laquisha stunned for a split second at this unexpected flirtation, and then melting into a quivering mass of uncontrolled giggles before a young white guy she outweighed by 200 pounds. And I’m just talking muscle.
This supports my theory that women of all races want white men, period, but many non-white women don’t pass the attractiveness threshold of most white men. The ones who do, fuck and marry whites. The ones who don’t are surly toward us at their low cognitive end, and write post-colonial dissertations at their high (relatively speaking) cognitive end.
So the results of this carefully contrived hoax that would then serve as a model to further expand the radical autonomy of the “black” collective?
The white man is to be coerced into believing that white men rape black females as a matter of “racist” course while being manilulated to be seemingly indifferent to the reality of TENS of THOUSANDS of white woman and white men who have been savagely raped by those in the “black” collective who possess the most radical autonomy.
And the HBDers and MRAers up in here???. HBDers think all they have to do is to point out black males’ low IQ and somehow that will turn back said black males’ increasing ability to do whatever the eff they want. And then this is perfect MRA territory with the issue of false rape accusation. But because it is a black female making the accusation and nerdy, liberal white males don’t really rape black females… Well? MRAers are only really concerned about holding white woman accountable and have no real concern with defending the white man’s reputation against the demonstrably evil and malicious notion of white man raping black females as a real aspect of OUR society. Punks.
The reason these white male punks in the MRA and HBD won’t make these kinds of arguments or see this angle or perceive that line of thought is because THEY ARE FELLOW RADICAL AUTOMOMISTS. At the end of the day when an issue like this that crosses racial and sexual lines the MRAer and HBDer is subconsciously on the side of Tawana AND against the slandered white man. But as white males they could not possibly be upfront with this mindset either with themselves or with the outside world. They must put out a half-hearted condemnation that really never goes to the root of this issue and carefully disguise a true animus that is easily evidenced by their equally half-hearted defense of white man against evil lies.
@Kyle”: “Lots of white men today would go for black chicks if one offered an effort-free fling. Rape is hardly effort-free however.”
Well, if they do, they better be very careful according to CDC statistics on STDs.
it was staged with “skill and controlled hysteria” and described what “actually happens to too many black women when they are raped by black men.”
There. Fixed it for you.
“The ones who do, fuck and marry whites. The ones who don’t are surly toward us at their low cognitive end, and write post-colonial dissertations at their high (relatively speaking) cognitive end.”
Why Women of Color don’t get laid.
@anti-racist
Again, why don’t Muslim women in Europe claim to be raped by non-Muslim European men?
On a related subject of black victimology, I wrote a long comment at Foseti’s that elaborates a though that I initially developed here.
My brother has noticed the same thing about black women. They are initially hostile and rude to white men. However, if you game them a little, they soften immediately. I have learned to be friendly, but very assertive with them and they seem to like that. I think because white women are more feminine, we fall into the roll of being the sweet one with black women. I don’t do that, I try and take charge, and I think they like me better for it. It probably makes them feel more feminine.
Black women also respond well to gentle teasing.
Accept children of white men and black women as white, and you would have a poonfest.>:)
“Accept children of white men and black women as white, and you would have a poonfest.”
Oogenhand, that is the drum you keep beating. While there is something to patriliniality and in tiny doses its good to pull in other women into the European gene pool, race and its neurophysical realities are real.
White men overwhelmingly prefer white women to women of other races, including Asian, all things being equal. Especially when it comes to commitment and family formation. MRA grudgeful scribbling aside, the young white woman is the most valuable thing in this world. Only she can make the next white generation. And she knows it, which is why she fan be such s bitch. And no, to value something is not the same as pedestalising it.
Keep in mind that the Anglos’ one-drop rule preserved America as pretty much an all-white country while Spaniard patrilinial nonchalance created an all-Mulatto/Mestizo Latin America.
“I have learned to be friendly, but very assertive with them and they seem to like that”
Lara, when my sister was in college she worked as a waitress, and she was very good looking. She said that black female patrons always stiffed her when she was sweet and friendly like she was with all patrons. They tipped her somewhat when she was expressionless and businesslike though.
“Accept children of white men and black women as white, and you would have a poonfest.”
Knock yourself out. We won’t hold you back. I pray that I never reach the point where I can’t get a white woman in bed and have to slum it that way.
Also, when you discover that black cooch often has an unpleasant smell you may change your tune. As for me, that beauty gap thing issue is a little too much to stomach.
Black women also respond well to gentle teasing.
Black women are dying for any male attention. period.
Black men do nothing for them but show up late at night, make babies and then skeeeeedaddle very quickly. For example, I once went to lunch with a black female coworker and picked up the check pretty nonchalantly. Afterwards she thanked me profusely (I could tell she’d never had a man do much for her) and then started to ask if we could spend time together outside of work, but I wasn’t the least bit interested.
A huge portion of black entertainment right now is aimed at the “I can’t find a man” crowd of successful black females who will never get married to someone education and professional like them, and they know it.
Being too friendly does backfire. I try not to be cheerful and talkative around them because I think they get annoyed. I have been able to occasionally make small talk with older black women. If I sense an attitude, though, I pull back and become all business.
I also have learned to avoid petty conflicts with them. They will sometimes try to insinuate I’m dumb and I just ignore it. I use selective hearing with them.
If you do not accept patrilinearity, you have to develop methods to compensate. You have to understand I live in Europe, and polygynous Muslim men converting non-Muslim women en masse, and to a lesser extent, Muslim women converting non-Muslim men, is a stark reality. Living in a Muslim society has problems beyond losing the purity of race.
Nonsense Oogenhand. You said ‘black women.’ Would you accept a white-fathered Mulatto as your daughter’s suitor? Didn’t think so.
As to Muslims in Europe, stop giving them welfare and they’ll stop growing. From a racial perspective there is nothing wrong with white men marrying white-looking Arab women and converting them to Christianity, but it is not necessary for survival.
I was generalizing a rule that I developed for the specific situation of Europe.
As regards welfare, two rules: People with “wrong” ideas need welfare more than the average muslim. And the government fears even the white underclass more than the white middle-class, let alone the non-muslim non-white underclass or the muslim non-white underclass.
Good to see that you do not regard women with a muslim background as necessarily non-white or non-marriageable, unlike the people on Stormfront do.
The only way a Muslim man would get me to convert is by brute force.
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oogenhand,
Do any European Muslims ever convert to Christianity?
Some, but they have to keep a low profile. I think conversions of women are more sincere than conversions of men, but I have no hard proofs.
Oogen just go with your hand if you can’t get a western woman to marry you, lol. If you marry a Paki or Algerian you will then have to deal with alot of unsavory in-laws, and I can see that you’d probably help about 50-100 more of them to chain migrate over to Europe, too.
What oogenhand is trying to say is that white male liberals just aren’t breeding white children and so why not add a little imperial mindset to the mix? Just the simple propagation of a meme that white liberal males have a new found interest in aggressively pursuing nonwhite females in a sexual manner could have profound implications.
One of the most perverse aspects of the Tawana incident is the highly questionable notion that the liberated “black” male genuinely gives a rip about the black female being raped by “white man.” In fact, when one combines the reality of the “black” male being the most sexually disloyal to his race and the reality that white men DON’T ACTUALLY rape black females then this incident can be stripped down to nothing more than the successful attempt at maximizing radical “black male” autonomy.
If you can persuade a radical “black” male collective to believe a completely false reality BECAUSE the belief in this false reality can be shown to expand their “freedom” then there is no real stop to this degenerate downward spiral.
Obviously, “white” male autonomists (WMA) are the critical mass. Where they go, so goes the “white man.” But because the radical autonomist is ALWAYS ripe for conversion (to go from the abstract/unknown to the concrete/known), his movements are incredibly suspectible to OUTSIDE influence. When we look at the movements of the “white” male autonomists (alt-right, HBD, MRA, PUA, libertarian), we see movements that are highly chaotic, obscure in motives, invisible in fundamental principles, etc. What we see with the MRA and HBD movements are savvy and deceptive “white” male automomists confining lesser liberationists to an oppressive paradigm that they then sell as “freedom” when enjoined collectively.
In short, MRA and HBD sell a very dubious paradigm that promises a hollow “freedom” in exchange for absolute conviction in their incomplete and outright false conceptions of reality.
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slave owners raped many Women of Color
Lots of isolated farmers fuck their sheep too. Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t prefer something else if it was on offer.