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Turnout Links

1.  Voter turnout.

2.  The missing white voter.  Sean Trende makes many astute observations including that Democrats will also vie for a more left position relative to whatever position Republicans take.  Republicans accept amnesty, Democrats speed up the path to citizenship, etc.  He also estimates that 6.7 fewer whites voted in this election while Hispanic voters increased by 1.7 million and while black increased by a few hundred thousand.

3.  John Hinderacker finds silver lining in Obama’s victory.

4.  West Virginia has swung 42 percentage points from the 1996 election towards Republicans.  That’s amazing.

5.  Heather Mac Donald on why support for amnesty for illegal immigrants is not the solution for the Republican party.  I agree in general, but we’re talking about marginal voters.  Surely some Hispanic voters would swing right if Republicans supported amnesty.  The problem is, all of the extra voters made possible by amnesty will still split heavily for Democrats.

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24 Responses to Turnout Links

  1. JS 11/08/2012 at 2:46 pm

    One benefit I can see happening is that blacks are losing their luster and moral high ground. Since Obama, more and more people really don’t feel bad for them anymore. It could become that the party of blacks becomes something people don’t want to be associated with anymore. A few more Trayvons, a few more beatings caught on video, and all the moral high ground and excuses are gone.

  2. zyzz 11/08/2012 at 2:55 pm

    how in the HELL was voter turnout down in Ohio? This is one of the most puzzling things I have read about this election.

  3. youngreact 11/08/2012 at 3:25 pm

    “A few more Trayvons, a few more beatings caught on video, and all the moral high ground and excuses are gone.”

    As far as the media and the dedicated Left is concerned, this doesn’t matter. Think about that editor of The Onion who got her leg broke from a bunch of “Obama’s sons” and still refused to open her eyes. As for the general public, they have no clue about the last two years of BBB’s – the media has “eraced” these stories as nothing to see here.

  4. Stickman 11/08/2012 at 3:57 pm

    all i can say is… 93% of all black voters agree, it’s NOT the content of your character, but the color of your skin that a person should be judged by. sorry MLK you be wrong n’ sheeit, real talk!

  5. Brendan 11/08/2012 at 4:10 pm

    I spend quite some time in West Virginia every year. WV is very, very white, most of them poorish, and very coal industry. It’s been traditionally democratic due to coal miners and so on, but the absolute hostility of the democratic party towards coal as energy has been noticed and is very much disliked in WV. Put that together with Obama’s poorly veiled sneering at rural whites (which dominate WV), and you have the recipe for WV going red. PA is similar. If you look at the map for PA, you’ll see that O wins Pittsburgh, but not by a crapton, while he runs up the score to beat the band in Philly. The rest of the state (outside Erie, which is really part of that Clevelandish Great Lakes area) is red. OH is also similar. Obama won OH by a very slim margin — ~100k votes out of ~5.2m cast. He did it by running up the score in Cleveland, which he won by ~350k votes. Outside Cleveland, Romney won Ohio by about 250k votes, largely for the same reasons he won WV — WV, however, doesn’t have a democratic shithole like Philly or Cleveland, however, where he dems can run up the score while losing the rest of the state.

  6. Nikos 11/08/2012 at 4:24 pm

    One benefit I can see happening is that blacks are losing their luster and moral high ground.

    Nah…. the bigger benefit is that Hispanics will eventually give a beatdown to blacks.

    Hispanics outnumber blacks, and both of them are focused on blaming whites and Asians. They also are not concentrated in the same parts of the country.

    But blacks are in for a real problem once Hispanics start beating them down. This happened in Los Angeles already (causing many blacks to leave), and will start happening elsewhere.

    Hispanics, while very far from ideal, are less bad for whites than blacks are. Hispanic-white marriage produces 70% white = white children, so that is OK.

  7. J R 11/08/2012 at 4:26 pm

    Someone already put the Trende and MacDonald pieces together in an analysis of how/why the GOP is in deep trouble, mainly over the lack of white turnout, not the mythical Latino vote.

    http://20committee.com/2012/11/08/one-final-comment-on-the-election/

  8. Camlost 11/08/2012 at 4:37 pm

    Blacks are the only ethnic group smart enough to vote their economic interests 95% of the time.

    Blacks have very little ability to maintain strong nuclear families or gain wealth/employment through starting their own business, so they need a big government to be both daddy and a source of non-strenuous McJobs.

  9. PA 11/08/2012 at 5:10 pm

    – “Think about that editor of The Onion who got her leg broke from a bunch of “Obama’s sons” and still refused to open her eyes.”

    The pity in her is strong. But not as strong as the pity of Peter Biehl, who shook hands and dined with the black murderers of his daughter.

    When blacks are humble, whites bleed pity for them. When they grin and posture, white pity becomes hate, and more precisely survival-imperative.

  10. anti-racist 11/08/2012 at 5:40 pm

    well ia m unemployed and live eith my parents

    i am almost 30 and barely literate

    as evidenced by my posts here and elsesewrher

    i voted for obama becuase i bleive he wil take car of me

    i admit it

    People of Color work realy hard

    white people are lazy sometimes

  11. K(yle) 11/08/2012 at 6:11 pm

    OH is also similar.

    Most of the blue states are similar. In my own state, which is always Democrat in national elections is 25% solid blue counties and 75% solid red counties. I don’t know about parts of New England and the Pacific Northwest, but this seems pretty much the way it is everywhere.

    Also the population of Cleveland is only about ~400k, so Obama winning the city by ~350k votes is awfully suspicious considering that exceeds the number of people probably eligible to vote there by a significant margin.

  12. K(yle) 11/08/2012 at 6:17 pm

    Actually pardon me, I’m retarded. Those stats are including the greater metro area, and I think the surrounding county, which is much higher than 400k.

  13. youngreact 11/08/2012 at 6:52 pm

    @ Nikos:

    I hate when alt-righters glorify Hispanics as RELATIVELY better than blacks. Sure, but who cares? They’re “sun people” too and that’s what matters.

  14. Brendan 11/08/2012 at 7:36 pm

    Yes it’s for Cuyahoga county, which includes Cleveland and surrounds. Greater Cleveland.

    The NYT, which is a completely reprehensible publication, nevertheless has a useful electoral map which allows you to drill down by county — it makes for very interesting viewing, in my opinion — much more interesting than the typical pundit bullshit that is being spewed right now about this being the end of conservatives and the rise of Latinos and so on. Whites were 77% of the electorate on Tuesday. Flipping a few more percent of them into the conservative column would win elections regardless of what the Latinos are doing with their 10m votes.

  15. youngreact 11/08/2012 at 8:01 pm

    @ Brendan:

    I agree that mainstream pundits trying to “help” out Republicans by encouraging a pro-Hispanic platform is absurd. But even though whites are still a huge majority, the demographic shift is coming in about 15 years or so. So the Hispanic vote may not (or should not) matter now, but it will. (I still say fuck them and court the white vote anyway.)

  16. JP 11/08/2012 at 8:32 pm

    Kyle, its the same in the northwest. The more rural Eastern Washington and Oregon are red beyond the Cascades, same with southern Oregon and the border area in N. California. Basically up the I-5 corridor from Eugene to Seattle is blue. Not all blue, there are red parts in the prime farm land but the cities vote blue. The dems will now control the whole state government this term instead of an even house.

  17. Red 11/08/2012 at 8:57 pm

    After this election the GOP is going to turn itself into a carbon copy of the dems. In generally they governed about the same as the dems did, but now rhetoric will match the match the dems almost step for step. They’ll also kick out the remaining nationalist and non progressive christens from their party. It’s the only way they’ll keep a piece of the pie.

  18. Red 11/08/2012 at 9:00 pm

    It’s the whites in the big cities who vote dem no mater what. They’re an entirely different tribe from rural whites.

  19. Red 11/08/2012 at 9:02 pm

    The brilliant thing with the Hispanic vote is how they replace rural whites who vote GOP with rural Hispanics who vote for the Dems.

  20. SOBL1 11/08/2012 at 9:25 pm

    I recall speaking to a Kerry 2004 Florida campaign operative after that election. Dejected, sad, couldn’t believe how they lost a winnable election, where was the talent, why didnt they nominate Dean, blah blah blah. The guy is working in the White House. The GOP can win another presidential election, and most likely will in 2016. I still think we’re 15 years from a US break up though. It is our generational crisis. This has been the 4th turning possibly since 9/11-peak employment in 2000. Those usually last 20-25 years.

  21. Brendan 11/08/2012 at 9:43 pm

    I don’t personally feel like a different tribe from rural whites. I have spent quite a bit of time among some of them, and I grew up in as urban an area (and as Dem an area, although in a GOP immigrant family) as anywhere in the US. The urban white “tribe” is being *engineered* to be different and alienated from other whites in a fundamental way.

    And I agree that eventually the Latino vote will be more critical, but by that time we will have more 2nd and 3rd generation Latinos who are much more easy to reach than the fresh immigrants are, and will be more assimilated. But in any case, the white vote can be pumped up over time if it is focused on, particularly after an election like this where many whites feel surrounded and outnumbered. Focus on those, and the ones who didn’t come out to vote who are like the ones who did demographically, and this can be easily turned backwards quite quickly to be honest.

  22. Cloud 11/09/2012 at 12:38 am

    So Kirstie Alley is on the Jimmy Kimmel show right now, and she just told a “funny” story about how when she was young she would FORCE her infant brother to show his penis to her female friends and charge her friends 15 cents to see it. Of course the crowd was laughing.

    Kirstie Alley: “I was my brother’s pimp.”

  23. Stickman 11/09/2012 at 8:23 am

    So your saying she publicly admitted to multiple sex crimes against a minor. And by doing so also implicating others who took part in, and paid for, the chance to observe and partisipate in the commission of said sex crimes committed by the victims family member. Seems clear cut to me. I believe I shall look up what jurisdiction this allegedly took place in and check the statute of limitations. Also if the audience members and host of the show failed to notifie the authorities they may also be implicated in conspiracy after the fact.
    Wouldn’t it be lovely…

  24. Average Man 11/09/2012 at 10:04 pm

    Jezebel’s into shaming people:

    http://jezebel.com/5958490/twitter-racists-react-to-that-nigger-getting-reelected/gallery/1

    Some of those tweets are pretty bad (I don’t know the context some of the people could be “ironic), but it’s interesting to see what is acceptable to shame (racism) and what is not acceptable to shame (promiscuity) in certain segments of our world.

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