Kicking. Squealing.
Hey hey ho ho Grover Norquist has got to go.
One of Norquist’s lackeys showed up in the op-ed section at the Daily Caller. Norquist and his group, Americans for Tax Reform, are anxious to downplay the “demography is destiny” argument because it means that tax increases are on the table in order to appeal to the Populist swath of Middle America. And if taxes are increased in any meaningful way – even if they are met with spending cuts – Grover Norquist loses. Joshua Culling wrote:
There’s a political equilibrium here, and it’s a path to citizenship. An immigration reform proposal that truly secures the borders while providing opportunity to those talented and hardworking potential Americans who wish to participate in our economy is the correct policy outline for both parties. Allowing more lawful immigration, a comprehensive and accessible guest worker program open to workers of all skill levels, and a path to legalization would eliminate most unauthorized immigration and grow the economy.
Future immigrants will be more open to the Republican Party because, unlike many immigrants who are already here, they won’t have been harmed or insulted by Republican politicians.
By increasing legal immigration, Republicans will dilute the level of anti-Republican resentment among the immigrant community and its descendants so long as the Republican Party embraces the new immigrants as Americans.
Data from the Pew Research Center should put to bed the notion that Hispanic voters are natural allies to the Republican party. Catholicism isn’t enough to draw Hispanics into the fold. Catholic social teaching has enough wiggle room for adherents to support top-down help from a higher authority i.e. government or Vatican if it matches their current economic need. Though Hispanics might oppose abortion and gay marriage, those issues are further away than identity and economic issues. Culling exposes a naive view of human nature if he thinks that these new Hispanic recruits, who converse in Spanish with other Spanish speakers who support the liberal state, will provide bodies for a new Republican base.
The graphic below shows the huge gap between Hispanics and the general public on the question of the degree of government largesse:
It’s bad enough that the voting portion of the Hispanic population largely supports bigger government, but new immigrants feel even more strongly about it. So much for that canard.
Let’s see….blah blah blah sticks his head in the sand. That about covers it. Let him see if his new Amercia full of spics, negros, dikes and trannies can do anything.
Ryu,
Politicians don’t care if America can “do anything” of note. As far as our Malignant Narcissist Masters (MNM) are concerned, America (and its people) exist only to provide them with a comfortable life of luxury. We aren’t people to them – in fact we barely exist in their solipsistic world except as tools to be ordered about, fleeced of our money/property, and occasionally tortured for their amusement.
Norquist displays typical Baby Boomer self-centeredness, treating Hispanics like props whose responses depend on nothing but the good vibes he sends their way.
It will be so easy for Democrat ad-makers to mock this pandering. Just portray Republicans wearing a silly bolero hat and speaking broken Spanish. The MSM will applaud these ads.
From your chart it looks like hispanics get more republican each generation. A rational person would conclude that the answer is to stop immigration and let a few generations go by.
“Illegal alien” – a precise, succinct, unbiased, and time-tested description of resident non-citizens occupying a foreign country in defiance of local immigration law.
“Talented and hardworking potential American” – the exact meaning is unclear, but presumably this is how Norquist describes all 6 billion+ humans who are not US citizens, as long as they don’t intend to live in his neighborhood. Careful examination suggests objectivity may have been compromised in some aspects of his word choice.
Norquist is muslim. Odd that he is on the economic Right.
JS,
they become more supportive of smaller government, which is different than being Republican. but that last bar is for 3rd generations and higher, but it is still skewed strongly towards smaller government. so if you adopt the plan mentioned in the OP, it is likely that subsequent generations will follow this same pattern. in other words, they will still split 35-65 for Democrats.
The Republican party – the same party that plays on dumb racists like you for votes, is going to bend over backwards to open up the doors.
Deal with that.
The truth is — immigrants have always given this nation its drive. Immigrants work harder, often at jobs Americans don’t want to do. They contribute more to science and technology and are issued more patents. They make our nation more creative, and they make our population younger.
Immigration also drives the economy. It’s the only guaranteed way to drive economic growth…..bring in more people.
It would also come at an opportune time in the coming decades, as the baby boomers retire. Bring in more working age people, and they can help pay for the retirement.
Want to see what happens without immigration? You become like Japan…..a floundering economic power. A nation that has lost all creativity and its giants of industry are collapsing.
IL/LEGAL immigration is an issue of semantics. The word frames the issue so you can act like the immigrants are doing something wrong, but they aren’t.
They come here for jobs — picking crops or cleaning stores/hotels for example. If that was really ‘illegal’ then why don’t we prosecute those who hire them with a felony? That’s ridiculous just like the label ‘illegal’.
What they are are UNDOCUMENTED workers. No one in business or Right wants to document (make them legal) them because then they’d require things like schooling for their kids or health care…..heck, they might even ask for a raise.
It lets us treat them as less than human, even though our economy needs their labor to thrive.
But, again — if it really is ILLEGAL, why don’t Republicans work to prosecute people who hire them as felons? (which would end ‘illegal’ immigration overnight). Because that would require that farms hire AMERICANS to pick crops. To do that they’d have to pay a living wage, provide health insurance and probably deal with unionized worke
The Republican party gets its votes from old white people. They do this by appealing to racism — Southern Strategy, the backlash to Civil Rights. This isn’t working as effectively as it did back in the 1980′s (on a national level), and the demographic shift means it will never work again.
Immigrants, like the people in every other nation in the world, prefer the ideals of the Democrats. Immigrants also do no buy into the Southern Strategy. They traditionally vote for Democrats by a 3 to 1 margin, and that won’t change, even if the GOP supports immigration reform.
We are headed for a hard shift to the Left in this country, and you can’t stop this. We are past the tipping point and now the political system just needs to react. The only thing the GOP will accomplish by supporting amnesty is speeding up the move to the left.
The only thing the Republican party can do to remain relevant is move to the center. It will do that now, or more painfully, later.
The truth is — immigrants have always given this nation its drive.
Very true.
But the type of Mestizo immigrants we are getting now will not be able to attain the same education levels as the European immigrant waves that have settled here in the past. This is pretty clear from the relative lack of upward educational mobility of 2nd and 3rd generation Mexicans who arrived here prior to the 1980′s/90′s – take a look at places like New Mexico, Southern California or Southern Texas.
Immigration here is a great deal for those who swim/sneak across the border, or for those who run businesses that can make money off the cheap labor of the 1st generation Mestizos, but the 2nd generation of American Mestizos won’t be as easy to employ. With their lower than average education level comes less taxable income, and government won’t be able to achieve as much for everyone with less tax revenue coming in… a nation of fruit pickers and manual laborers is not a rich nation.
“Because that would require that farms hire AMERICANS to pick crops. To do that they’d have to pay a living wage, provide health insurance and probably deal with unionized worke”
Actually, all they would have to do is mechanize, which they should have done decades ago. These illegals you love so much have slowed down innovation in mechanization, and over the long run, kept food prices above where they should be now, because no farmers wanted to take that step while there was so much cheap labor around.
And yes, I know it’s futile to argue with him. It’s just an argument that has already bugged me.
hahaha, as if anyone is going to read anti-racists comments
“Though Hispanics might oppose abortion and gay marriage (…)”
Hispanics don’t agree with republicans even on those issues. Short of moving to the left of the democrats on social AND economic issues there’s nothing the republicans can do to appeal more to Hispanics than the democrats.
http://super-economy.blogspot.se/2012/11/why-hispanics-are-natural-democrats-and_12.html
Pretty sure we have laws against farm mechanization in the USA actually. Australian farms are more mechanized that American ones, and I’m pretty sure we can’t implement Australian-style farming as a matter of legislation.
Another fun fact about American business practices. Antiboycott Compliance laws. American businesses are required to purchase things from Israel because complying with the Arab Leagues boycott of Israel, even inadvertently is ‘terroristic’.
Welcome to the Land of the Free!
Where we are headed is indeed a hard shift to the left, then following that a head-on collision into the big abutment of reality.
Outside of a particular segment of completely deluded and soon- to-die-off Caucasians in the “West”, the entirety of the world is racist and essentially racist as hell for all the right reasons. They’re “normal” while to the contrary these open border/integration advocates in the West are abnormal, and in real terms, suicidal. Unfortunately they have delegated the actual commission of suicide on those of following generations rather than themselves. Of the seven billion people on this planet, the open border bunch comprises a couple hundred million at most and won’t even be around to watch the calamity that comes upon their descendants, assuming they have any themselves. The best thing that could happen to them is forced relocation to Zaire or one of the areas in South Africa where this concept has had some sort of difficulty working out for all involved.
Necklacing. Yes, that’s a deserved lesson and punishment at the same time. Reality is a place where bad ideas go to die, sooner or later.
“Pretty sure we have laws against farm mechanization in the USA actually.”
Have they actually managed to pass any laws? I knew there was an anti-mechanization movement awhile back, but the last I knew, all they’d accomplished was getting the government to not pay for the machinery or the research.
The last I knew, something like half of all fruits and vegetables in the US were already picked by machine. That was a few years ago, though, so you could be right.
Even so, that would restrict the options farmers had, but it would actually prove my point. If the machines weren’t more efficient than the illegals, there’d be no reason to bother outlawing them.