If I didn’t know better, I’d think that Jezebel was engaged in some secret ops level hipster racism. I’ve been intrigued by some of their pieces regarding men who gawk at, stare luridly at, catcall, or street harass women. The pattern here is that all of these Jezebel posts depict black men as fitting the stereotype of hypersexual harassers.
The gist of this latest piece is that a woman began eating a lot as she started puberty and began developing womanly attributes. She got a lot of unwanted attention for it from men in her community and developed a defense mechanism of overeating to hide her attractiveness. She wrote:
It started off subtle at first. Lingering stares and comments under the breath that you couldn’t quite make out. I couldn’t understand why these men were speaking to me that way. I may have had breasts and hips, but I still looked like a child. I tried to hide my budding womanlyness under oversized baggy clothes, but that didn’t work. After I turned 16, it got unbearable/ I literally had men grab me, pull at me, hiss and whistle at me. I felt like everyone knew I had breasts and hips and thighs, everyone knew I was a woman. But I didn’t want to be a woman. I hated it, I hated the men and I hated me.
The piece was originally posted at Ebony.com.
I’ll repeat myself: white men and Asian men don’t hiss at budding young women or even fully-sprung women. Almost all of the stories about street harassment – which isn’t necessarily a problem of epidemic proportions but which is a social nuisance – involve men who are black or, sometimes, Hispanic. The high rates of sexual success among these particular minority groups is due to this general high approach attitude. Cat calling and hissing and making crude comments are behaviors arising from a similar desire as just spitting direct Game. The more unsettling approaches usually occur when a guy is around a group of his friends or when there is a bit of distance between the guy and the “target” or when the woman is walking speedily through the danger zone. All of these behaviors lie on the shamelessness spectrum.
An honest piece on this topic would tie together this particular woman’s decision to gain weight – a response to her shame – and the low-level abuse she experienced within her community. It would also tie in the obesity levels prevalent among black women to the high rates of abuse, sexual or otherwise. This abuse is not part of a historical pattern of male dominance over women. It exists because of a critically low mass of paternal influence within the community which has arisen for a whole host of issues. But there is a myth of the strong black woman that assumes that they are somehow immune from the obviously callous and crude behavior of the men of their community. Of course, it has to be mentioned that black women perpetuate the cycle as well.
I’m not concern trolling here; I’m just saying that obesity and a lack of self worth and abuse and the crude behavior of black men on the street are all connected in some way and it doesn’t get discussed because it will make black men look bad or make the black community feel uncomfortable. This is obvious to everyone reading this post, but it isn’t obvious to Jezebel and other social justice sites that always avoid placing any blame on predetermined victim groups.
I can predict two counterarguments to this post. The first will come from MRA types or hardcore Game advocates who will try to downplay street harassment. I’d say that street harassment isn’t a huge social issue, but when it does occur, and it occurs often enough, it is a nuisance of some level. Secondly, someone will defend against the racial argument here by citing socioeconomic differences and pointing to white hillbillies who harass and molest girls in their communities. That undoubtedly happens, but this type of trailer park behavior is commonly tied to the race of the men doing it. The pedophile white loser is a cultural trope whereas there is nothing like that in the black community.
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ummm. white men do not harass women?
what about slavery and colonailaism? rape was rampant
IP ban already ^
No, no, I want to hear what AR has to write. I have no fear and I like trolls.
You should trust your instinct, Piggy. If it tells you that Jezabel is going into hipster racism, try it on and see if it’s true.
Welmer theorized awhile ago that WNs might team up with feminists and Christians. I think he might be right. Things might get interesting. We already know that white feminists will be thrown over for their “women of color” counterparts. There’s only so much pie to go around before the AA coalition cannibalizes itself.
Ryu,
Regarding the broader cause of white nationalism, I think it is important that we emphasize that white success is the product of Western Europeans (and NW-European Protestants more than anyone else). Eastern Europeans are ok, but they have failed to generate the same success as those of us from Western Europe, as has been proven for centuries.
I think the WN cause gets diluted if we let these lesser whites ride our coat-tails. They, while a lot better than blacks, are not first-worlders, and should not be allowed to take credit for the success of Western Europe. What empires did they establish? Why is their prosperity so much lower than Western Europe even today? These facts are dealbreakers, IMO.
It dilutes the veracity of our message. Everytime we expand the tent to include a lesser group, whether Italians and Jews before, or Slavs now, it dilutes the cause.
Fee fi fo fum, I smell the Rationalization Hamster. The effect of that story is, it makes it men’s fault if she’s fat. Then cone the generalizations of how X group of women are like that too, also those crude jerks’ fault. Careful, don’t take the bait and let them set that frame.
I disagree Georgia Boy, the point of the article describing the linkage between early molestation and harassment and later obesity is valid. Whether a woman claims or associates with this as a reason to not change her behavior once she is aware of the roots of her dysfunction is a different topic.
Hello Chuck
I’m back…sort of. Anyway this is well written and comes across as genuine.
. I can tell you I’ve gotten plenty of street harassment from Blk and Latino men growing up ,the whistles, the comments(sit on my face) etc… I think as a result I became very afraid of men I was not closely related to.
Now I understand that men like to look at good looking women and I don’t have a problem with that when men behave respectful manner. Unfortunately too many men don’t. For the record I’ve been cat called by white men but they fell into the following categories… Jersey Shore muscle head, little old Italian men, and the hard looking trailer park variety. The suit and tie crowd seem to be too classy or refined for that sort of nonsense.
I will say as I’ve gotten older, men have become more respectful in their approach. I don’t know if that is because of cultural change or if it’s because men can’t control themselves around developing teenage girls.
@anti-racist
That ended in the civil rights era. Why don’t muslim women in Europe complain about harassment by white non-muslim men?
@Ryu
Cultural “Marxism” sharply limits the reproductive possibilites of Women of Color by denying them their men, which are linked to white women.
Anthony,
That is a controversial stand. In many ways though, today, the West is weaker than the East.
Think of the Slavic Union or Golden Dawn. They are getting things done. They were uncorrupted by our culture. Just look at them, beating immigrants and kicking them out of the country, its magnificent. Here it is the whites who are afraid.
Of course, if you believe you are right, you should try it. There is only one way to tell if it will work, and that is doing the thing.
Anthronomous,
*somewhere PA screams*
“No no no, I’m just like you”
“Welmer theorized awhile ago that WNs might team up with feminists..”
I’ve seen other MRAs say that as well, though they assume feminists being the senior partner in that alliance. They also toss out that theory pejoratively, as a way of saying that WNs are manginas.
How things work out, no one knows. What helps is understanding feminist motivations at their highest level. Feminists are primarily a lesbian interest group with strong appeal to a particulate type of an ambitious straight woman. Many hardcore activist dykes are holding a lot of anger — Hillary was gonna be the next president. And no, she won’t be nominated in 2016.
Now, white nationalists (or whatever it is that the inevitable white-interests movement is going to call itself) may or may not see value in an alliance with feminists. My personal opinion is that feminism is a spent force. It never really had principal agency; it was always a tool of larger interests.
But if such an alliance is considered, WNs and feminists will never be compatible beyond short-term opportunism as long as the latter is axiomatically anti-family. However, pro-family feminists, sort of like Laura Wood (not that she identifies exactly as any kind if feminist), are simply traditionalists, and thus complementary with pro-white goals.
“White Nationalism” is a hopelessly broad category of beliefs, desires, strategies, et cetera that making any projections about ‘the movement’ is pointless because it might as well not exist. You’ve got a group of people on the fringe that have a common enemy of sorts but no common way forward, or even common desired endpoints politically, and socially.
As for East versus West this is common on WN boards among anonymous and pseudo-anonymous commenters to come and want definitions of what groups are and aren’t white, want to claim Greeks or “Meds” or Slavs aren’t white in order to sew discord.
If someone has a problem with the level of success in eastern Europe then let them fuck off in to Africa or Asia instead because I’d rather not have these whining nitpickers anywhere in the West either, lest they determine some smaller subdivision over here is necessarily not fit enough for inclusion.
To address Nikos’ thoughtful questions on the civilizational value of Slavic people… over centuries in the Balkans and in 1683 in particular Slavs had prevented Turkish Moslems from conquering Europe. In 1920 they stopped Lenin from carrying out (if track-record and subsequent events are guide) a genocidal take-over of Europe to Berlin and beyond. Slavs created some of the most sublime achievements in literature, music, and cinema. Slavs have a resilience of character and a spiritual hardness whose value is apparent in difficult times. And a historic memory of surviving horrible events and an innoculation to middleman ideologies.
Furthermore, they tend toward Romanticism and fatalism, well complementing the more pragmatic and realist Anglo and Germanic sensibilities.
Slavs produce the world’s most beautiful women, rivaled only by Scandinavians.
Having said al that, white nationalism is primarily an American ideology, with our (native and white immigrant) melting pot history. When it comes to Europe, the pro-white nationalist spirit is more along the lines of fraternal cooperation of distinct nations. Personally I am not a fan of a wholesale amalgamation of distinct nations. Each is unique and glorious, and part of the best of what humanity begat.
what about slavery and colonailaism? rape was rampant
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You mean blacks selling their own people to slave traders.
I have seen the incidence of this drop in Mexico as it becomes more prosperous. But even when it was more common, young women there seemed happier than spoiled American girls. (For older women, the opposite is true. They are happier in America)
Yet obesity there is rising, even as “piropos” become less frequent. On balance, it would seem that a macho culture that is full of entitled male judgment encourages women to compete against each other, look good and act sexy to gain our attention and favor.
Well well well look who popped up into chez piggy right behind me
What ever happened to Laura and desi?
Incidence rate of this street harassment might be higher amongst black men than other groups due to low standards. The ogle factor starts at 4s or 5s and progressively becomes more intense as the chick gets more attractive. Other groups of men probably exhibit the same behavior but may need alcohol or drugs and a hotter solitary woman for this to elicit a response. I’m being half serious as I just think this goes back to black men having low standards and being direct without any shame.
white women LOVE Black Cock
does this fit into the discussion…
http://www.amsterdamnews.com/health_care/new-study-finds-black-women-less-likely-to-commit-suicide/article_82829042-edfc-11e1-8d42-001a4bcf887a.html
“Welmer theorized awhile ago that WNs might team up with feminists and Christians. I think he might be right. ”
hahahahahahahahahahaha
Rye Bread is gonna have to fight against fatuous Mr. Manboobz and Hugo Skeezer for Amanhater Marcrappy….
well, maybe they can all just get along and recreate the brutal shower scene from American History X while Mandy cheers them on…
http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/04/25/seal-press-amanda-marcotteproof-that-feminism-and-racism-go-hand-in-hand/
I see this comment thread has degenerated a bit.
Ignoring the whole WN topic, I’ll simply say Chuck, that I’m not convinced there’s a racial angle to this at all.
For one, do a google image search for street harassment.
You’ll find that while there are plenty of pictures of black and hispanic perps, there’s also plenty of white pics to the point that I’m not sure anyone is consciously or subconsciously pushing any kind of racial angle on this at all.
And in my opinion it would be a mistake to do so. Street harassment, like sexual harassment in general is so loosely defined that even women do it constantly (though the sexual double standard means they’ll never be held accountable for it, hell it’s hard to hold them accountable for out and out assaults). Since pretty much every man is guilty of some sort of street harassment at one time or another , there’s no reason for the feminists or the leftists to try and push this on any race, nor , if they did, would they have any real reason to ignore their favorite whipping boy: white males.
^5′s Stoner with a boner.
Yeah, I can SEE that happening.
And yeah, apparently black women are benefiting from all that affirmative action love, or maybe their men aren’t the utter depraved monsters toward them that some on here would love to make them out to be.
I moved out of my house precisely because of this kind of degeneracy. And it led directly to my embracing the truth of HBD.
I was/am single father. Stupidly bought a house ten years ago in a gentrifying neighborhood. My crackhead felon neighbor started to notice my 13 year old daughter a few years back One night–or morning, whatever you call 4 am– my neighbor banged on my door, woke me up. He was holding a bunch of daisies he yanked from my garden. He was about black, around 60 y/o, 6′ 4″ and 250. Mumbled some incomprehensible shit. I told him to get the hell off the porch.
For next two hours, he marches up and down in front of my house saying shit like, “white bitches live black cock.” “If she bleedin she ready.” Comes back to my door with more od my daisies Finally he comes down off crack. I call the cops, they show up an hour later and advise me to move.
It took a while but after a few further episodes I did. It was a smart move. When I go back to visit, my neighbors look like they’re in daily combat.
They’re all worried about their kids.
Nobody gives a shit about the results of a google image search. Jesus fucking Christ.
Clarence,
Honestly, if you don’t see the pattern then I don’t know what to tell you. Either pay more attention or ask chicks you know about it. The thing is, nobody argues with the observation that white guys are generally pussies in many regards when it comes to women. Don’t you think that involves their lack of aggressiveness when it comes to cat-calling or hollering at women on the street and in these other settings?
I’ve come to the conclusion that “anti-racist” is a WN troll.
We know he’s not a real black guy because he occasionally articulates sophisticated (at least in a rhetorical sense) SWPL liberalism. I doubt he’s a SWPL because I’ve never encountered SWPLs gleefully bragging about “black cock”; they simply tend to avoid such crassness.
So I’m going with unhinged WN; for some reason, a handful of them love trolling race realist sites. I must say though that this guy takes the cake – what a pathetic fuckup.
youngreact…
if you remember Keivsky from Inmalafide, he was a WN who bragged about trolling and called it an art…
“The suit and tie crowd seem to be too classy or refined for that sort of nonsense.”
You poor, deluded woman…
Chuck:
I live in the Brooklyn neighborhood of Baltimore city. Why don’t you do a nice little demographics search of my area?
I’ve seen whistlers and harrassers of all races. I’ve BEEN one because I’ve whistled two or three times at girls and I look (hint: the difference between a look and a leer depends partly on who the woman finds attractive) constantly.
Jesus F. Christ the over -definition of this stuff is a huge problem. You have girls on Hollaback NY complaining that guys said a flower in their hair was pretty! And instead all you want to do is bash black males more. For what fucking purpose?
You are given a link that black females commit suicide less than any other group of people. That would tend to tell you that their lives aren’t all that hard – yet you want to assert that their lives must be terrible because they have to live near *gasp* black men and get “hit on” while walking down the street.
Clearly this isn’t a real issue in terms of its impact on women and you haven’t been able to convince me that your anecdotes are the same as data. Heck, you haven’t been able to convince me why I should care even if it is true that black males are a bit ruder overall than white males – and I totally agree with you on that. Day to day black men do show less deference to women of all colors than white men do. And I mostly applaud them for that.
As I said repeatedly WN and MRM are not fully compatible, to say the least. That is why I seek a third ideology.
Clarence,
why in the world would i care at all about convincing you of anything? if i could convince you to change that fucking avatar i’d be happy.
Here’s some amusing harassment…
November 16, 2012
Bond Set at $100,000 for Holdsclaw
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
A judge in Atlanta set bond at $100,000 for Chamique Holdsclaw, a former W.N.B.A. star and Olympic gold medalist, who was in jail on assault and weapons charges. She is accused of firing a shot into a car belonging to Jennifer Lacy, 29, who plays for the Tulsa Shock. The police say Holdsclaw, 35, also used a bat to smash the car’s windows. Lacy told the police that Holdsclaw was an ex-girlfriend.
i was chomping at the bit on that one, but the last sentence stole my thunder.
Hi Chic.
If black and hispanic women want this type of behavior to stop, they should sexually shut out the men who engage in it. The young, middle class black women, in my area, don’t seem to give any special attention to black men, and seem to mostly ignore them.
I always understood WN as a movement to keep the United States majority white. Europeans can use nationalism to protect the culture of their countries. The idea of a melting pot is so wrapped up in patriotism in the United States, it’s hard for us to do that.
“Slavs produce the world’s most beautiful women, rivaled only by Scandinavians.”
My uncle is married to a Scandinavian woman, and it is a running joke in my family how much better looking they are than us.
@full fledged
Haha , truly I’ve never seen or experienced the suit and tie crowd “pisssss, hey girl hey girl” or get a woman’s attention then grab their crouch or eye rape, or walk so close to a woman that invade her personal space.
Turn to look or make eye contact yes, I’ve seen and experienced this but when I break eye contact they do to.
If you have experienced something different, by all means give me the dirt.
Laura, most women don’t pay these idiots any mind . They do it just to demean women for the hell of it versus to get laid. If it was all about sex, there are 5 dollar prostitues they could have their way with. Pay pro and watch her do a good job and walk away.
BTW they do this to White women to now since so many white women openly enjoy BBC on porn & IRL
. You may not experience this sort of thing because of you are at the age where men actually start to respect you as a human being not a potential victim.
I didn’t know many white women enjoy BBC on porn and IRL. Do you mean epidemic levels or like….maybe 5% of all white women?
@chic noir , I’d love your thoughts on my theory:
I think men of very low status credit each other with _stating_ ambitious intentions, even if there is no chance of the stated intention being realized.
Examples: “I’m gonna get me a job”. “I’m gonna get me a watch.”, or street whistling at a girl who would NEVER respond to them. The man who detects the pretty girl or states higher status desires gets credited by his omega friends with ambition or good taste.
does this theory resonate with you?
@chic noir, or specifically, do street men ever harass when alone?, or only in the presence of their male aquaintences?
“if you remember Keivsky from Inmalafide, he was a WN who bragged about trolling and called it an art…”
I’ve always suspected it was that OneSTDV weirdo who was trolling as anti-racist (and a few other characters). He used to fill his own blog with made-up characters spouting all sorts of provocative nonsense.
Clarence – I think you have given us the perfect illustration of the difference between evidence and anecdote. You have put forward the following as evidence that harassment of women is not more prevalent among blacks –
1. your own bad behaviour
2. Google image search
Seriously what sort of fucking idiot are you ? Google image search ? Your brain must be more sub-standard than your face.
And don’t give me some ‘men’s rights’ bullshit that this – I’ve BEEN one because I’ve whistled two or three times at girls and I look (hint: the difference between a look and a leer depends partly on who the woman finds attractive) constantly. isn’t bad behaviour. You whistle at my wife in that way and you and me would have a problem.
@jz- sometimes alone but often in groups . It’s in groups that some men become bolder, crude & louder.
I don’t know if it’s more freighting when a guy is alone or in a group. Alone you become afraid that you may have run into a real rapist. In a group you have to watch out not to embarrass the guy in front of his friends.
Trust me on this, some men take it way beyond admiring a pretty girl.
I don’t mind a man paying me a compliment.
For example, you look nice today ( this always happens when I wear a dress never pants lol), or you are very pretty, or your hair looks nice( I’ve got long natural hair). Things said in a mild mannered but confident way like my dad, brother or uncle giving me compliment.
I think it’s rather cute when it comes from a very young or very old man but women as a rule don’t like it when men compliment us on body parts that are sexualized ” ya got nice legs toots” ” damn shorty, look at them tits, I wanna motorboat”.
For the record, I’ve had men say not so nice things to me when wearing sweat pants so it is not always a question of what the woman was wearing.
@clarance- Do not whistle at women and expect a good outcome. A hello or even an alpha head nod is sufficient to let her know your interest.
@schmiggen- all it takes is a few. It doesn’t help that many porn actresses are doing that demeaning two on one or even gang bangs. There are many white women doing porn with blk guys now. I don’t have a problem with it personally but knowing how men think, it is easy to she how some men would use that , along with the # of WW/BM relationships, random hookups etc… to think all White women are down for BBC.
@chuck- a good post for you to do would be the destigmatization of being in porn, the way the Internet has led to porn becoming so prolific that teenagers know about pornstars than their own family members( James deem, Stoya & Raffeal Feria), poverty = decrease in morals?
Chic noir, case in point -
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/7964413/Prosecutor-admits-porn-star-past
This guy should just be drummed out of his position. No need for a logical, thought out reason – he is a laughingstock and a joke – out he goes.
white girls LOVE black cock
chic noir,
Yes, Slavic women are pretty. That is unanimous.
But Slavic men are extremely beta. That is also unanimous, and Roosh has explained this by what he saw from living there. That is why Slavic women are so keen to marry outside of their own ethnicities, and why a lot of Slavic men are white nationalists – in order to block their women from leaving. .
What is more pathetic than a White Nationalist (e.g. Ryu, Anthoronymous) ?
A white person (e.g. PA) who is not even being accepted by White Nationalists. To be rejected by what is already a loser group….. THAT is something.
And for some strange reason PA thinks I am ‘Anthoronymous’, when in fact he is part of a group, White Nationalists, that I mock. A person who is unwilling to see their own flaws will express his denial by thinking that all of the people who see those conspicuous flaws are the same person. That way lies madness.
@Nikos
I think becoming WN could exarcebate some problems. Mate guarding is also done by other people, but they place patrilinearity above purity; actually mate guarding is especially done by patrilinearists.
Who said PA was out? Not me.
Being a WN is the highest honor I could give a man. I have followed PA for quite some time, and believe he is worthy of the title, if he will accept it.
Nikos
But Slavic men are extremely beta. That is also unanimous, and Roosh has explained this by what he saw from living there. That is why Slavic women are so keen to marry outside of their own ethnicities, and why a lot of Slavic men are white nationalists – in order to block their women from leaving. .
Filipino men must also be extremely beta as must be Thai men and Chinese men. That is why so many of their women are queueing up to be mail order brides.
Do you think that that is the reason genius or perhaps there is something else at play ?
And in your answer don’t say “Roosh says” or “this is unanimous” as that won’t get you very far with me or in fact very far outside of your little PUA circle jerk.
Fucking idiot.
Podsnap,
Filipino men must also be extremely beta as must be Thai men and Chinese men. That is why so many of their women are queueing up to be mail order brides.
I agree. Cultures with submissive, feminine women have men who are also that way (traits what women abhor). Eastern Europe and East Asia qualify. No other groups of women outmarry more than these two. The reasons are obvious.
Cultures with muscular, thuggish men have unattractive women. Blacks fit this description.
Nikos you seem to be as impervious to sense as you are to abuse.
Have you ever met any Slavic men ? ‘Feminine and submissive’ are not the words I would use. ‘Thuggish and muscular’ is closer to reality.
Look over the list of world heavyweight champions for the last 20 years – mainly slavs with a few blacks. Real pussy boys those slavs.
You are beyond stupid.
I googled Mandingo last night and proceeded to watch him bang a white woman. I wonder if he poked her stomach with that thing.
If my mom wasn’t already dead, I kill her for making me grow up in Oakland. Once when, I was about 13, I was standing at a bus stop with my mom when 2 black guys drove up and asked us if we wanted a ride. When we told them no, they let loose with the most vile threatening, harassment, about how they knew I gave good bj’s. In front of my mom, they are doing this. Then, the parting shot, “Bitch, next time you better axcep this ride!” These were straight up, rapist criminals. I lost count of how many black men asked if I wanted a ride when I waited for buses. One guy was pretty funny though, I was waiting for a bus in a pretty scary neighborhood, and this guy walks up and says, “Farah Fawcett, whatchu doin waitin here at this bus stop, you should be drivin a big ol’ mercedes!” .
I also got attacked by a group of black teens at the Fruitvale BART station while I was with my mom. They were darting in and grabbing my boobs and crotch, while my mom and I tried to fight them off. Awful stuff. The same thing happened to me and my friend at The El Cerrito BART, she was attacked by 2, very high on drugs, young latino boys as she and I hit and kicked them.
I am 50 and I don’t paint my toenails in the summer because if you do you attract riffraff. I still ride the bus, and still get harassed by black men. If you are older they will really mess with you because they think you are dying to get with them and you have a job and a house and they can move in, beat you, rape you and use your money to buy drugs and liquor.
For black women, obesity is no defense against the harassment, trust me, black men do not care.
I plum forgot to mention that often, black girls will accept rides from strange black men at bus stops. I have seen girls who were on their way to their jobs get waylaid and sweet talked into getting into cars with more than one guy in them. I do not interfere in these crazy incidences.
WNs, autocorrect is on your side! http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com/39460/hiel-iphone/
Podsnap:
Take your alpha male bullshit and shove it up your ass. If you were to touch me, I’d not be stupid. I’d see to it that you ended up in jail and with a few words you’d probably end up taking it up your ass. If that didn’t work I have quite a few “friends” around here if you know what I mean.
I referenced a study farther up in the thread that seems to disprove the “hypothesis” that Chuck laid out. None of you tards has even noted it.
I’ve also done quite a bit of reasearch over the years on the applicable laws and policies concerning sexual harassment and street harrasment and I’m quite sick of you demented retarded douchebags falling into feminists traps because you can’t get over your hatred of other men who have different ethnicities than you do. I’m sick of paying the price for your stupidity and pedestalization of women.
Chic noir: I “whistled” at a few women at a local bar. Kindly get over your damn self. I’m not interested in playing a game I can’t win which is all based on subjective shit.
Clarence – I said “You and I would have a problem” rather than “I’d kick your ass” because I have no time for tough guy threats over the internet. I was explaining to you that if you wolf whistle chicks then you can expect that the men around them will react appropriately.
But talking about “tough guy threats over the internet” I have no idea what to make of your faggy fantasies of getting your “friends” (and no – I don’t know what friends in inverted commas means) to anally rape me.
Why don’t you do a Google image search of “pathetic fuck” – guess whose photo you will see ?
Podsnap,
Yeah…. that is why women from Eastern Europe outmarry just as much as, or even more than, Chinese women.
Anecdotes about the occasional athlete are pointless, and merely expose your intellectual inferiority. Where were these ‘muscle men’ when EE got invaded and easily conquered first by Germany and then the USSR? The silence on your part is deafening.
By your logic, one could similarly say that since China, Japan, and Korea invented Karate and Kung Fu, hence their men are masculine and alpha.
And yes, Roosh’s full year spent in EE confirms what we already knew. Women in EE are easy to Game because they never met an attractive man until a foreigner visited their lands.
Quit digging. You have embarrassed yourself enough already. tee hee……
@podsnap- that’s crazy and just imagine how often this sort of thing will happen ten to fifteen years from now when this large group of current Porn stars try to escape their past.
when EE got invaded and easily conquered first by Germany and then the USSR? The silence on your part is deafening.
Who do you think the USSR is made up of ? The country that defeated the Germans on its own. Are they Asians chief ? Are they Indians ? Jews ? There’s a drink called a Black Russian so maybe they’re black Africans ?
No – they’re Slavs you chump.
Here I am arguing on the internet with a fucking child, who thinks that Slavs are from Eastern Europe only and is not aware that Russians are Slavs. I need a new hobby.
Nikos, that was Laura on the whole Slavic women bit but I will say among European women, they can be very good-looking and striking looking. You can often find them working in high end retail. I had a drop dead gorgeous Slavic woman in Saks help me with a bag a few week ago. She was so good looking that I did a double take.
Slavic women are attempting to escape their countries because of poverty not their beta men. That’s also why there are so many Eastern European models are in high fashion now . One of my personal favorites is Eniko Mihalik( one of the best bodies in the bussiness).
Nikos I think men of all races and ethnicities hate to see their women marry out and women to a lesser extint dislike seeing their men marry out. People are tribal by nature some much more then others hence those racist groups.
Lolrof @ your observation of PA kissing WN butt for a seat at the table and being giving a bowl of slop and made to eat on the floor with the family mutt. Sad thing is, beyond that White nationalist crap, I think he is a cool guy.
I tell you what, most Western Europeans don’t care for the Polish because of what they do to wages. Remember the crazy British tram lady from a few months ago, she named the Polish too in her rant ” you ain’t British”. To say it plainly, “the Polish” are the “Mexicans” of Europe…
@nikos- comments about blks to the side, i’m not new here. i know the meme:)
Have you met any Slavic or Eastern European men? They are pretty darn tuff. Albanians have their own mafia here.If you want a thug in vanilla wrapping that’s where you go. In sports like wrestling and weight lifting as field events, the decathlon, boxing there are plenty of Eastern European men.
Harsh climate+poverty+ lil economic and social mobility= a strong man(person)
Slavic women are attempting to escape their countries because of poverty not their beta men.
Someone on the thread is thinking Nikos and it ain’t you.
Before you were born I travelled a lot. And I noticed that me and a lot of other Western travellers got a lot of attention from chicks in some countries. Did I deduce from that that I was more sexy than Brad Pitt, and that all the local men were losers ? No, rather I concluded that I was rich (relatively) and glamorous (Western men are glamorous to some people – blame the movies) and physically a bit different to the locals – which would attract some local women (and repulse others).
Anyone can stroll around the third world and fuck a lot of local talent.
You stupid git.
*shock*
What has gotten into you??? You use to be such a nice guy. I thought you bece my e-boyfriend after default user ran off with e what’s her name.
What do you mean a game you can’t win?
@nikos- that’s not anecdata coming from Podsnap and I just check the data for yourself. Look at metals for the Olympics and world championship level performers in Wrestling,weight-lifting, men’s gymnastics and the like over the years. Sports that require a lot of strength and mental determination, you find Eastern European men.
For the record Eastern European women perform right along side Black women in track and field and that includes the sprints. Make of that what you want , I say poverty =strength and determination(in some people).
Wasting your time Chic. Nikos is too stupid for reason. He simply regurgitates PUA bullshit.
The natural life cycle of PUAs is -
1.claim you have a magic formula that will make women fuck you
2.try it on American women
3. fail
4. proclaim that American women are bitches
5. go to a third world country
6. find that the magic formula now works
7. make money off stupid fucks like Nikos
I’m not sure why Slavs and black people are tough – poverty, masculine culture, genetics, maybe.
Chic Noir,
To say it plainly, “the Polish” are the “Mexicans” of Europe…
Yep…. that is why I chuckle when white nationalists who are Slavs come here and act like they are so much better than Mexicans. Doesn’t fool anyone.
Lolrof @ your observation of PA kissing WN butt for a seat at the table and being giving a bowl of slop and made to eat on the floor with the family mutt. Sad thing is, beyond that White nationalist crap, I think he is a cool guy.
Yep again. Some of his comments on other matters are good. But his begging, as your describe, exposes a deep insecurity.
Albanians have their own mafia here.
Oh, Albanians are Muslims, remember.
Podsnap…. you are pretty bitter at being out-debated. The point is, Roosh has merely confirmed what we knew all along. He has entire books like ‘Bang Poland’ and ‘Bang Estonia’ that teach visitors how to benefit from the betatude of local men.
China won a lot of Olympic medals too. They are still beta, just like slavs. If slavs were so tough, they wouldn’t have gotten invaded by Germany so easily. The truth hurts….
@podsnap- haha and these guys will swear you down and physical presentation doesn’t matter just have game. It’s funny because a number of the Blk PUAs talk about clothing,cologne, haircuts etc… Blk guys who hit on and win White women. i seen average looking and even below average looking older white women with blk guys because a good looking well dressed man who smells nice is announcing to the world that he is a “boss” and he is seducing a woman’s senses. Even those muscle heads from the Jersey Shore put an effort into the way they look. You think most of them have long dry spells?
*le sigh*
Some people are afraid to be great.
Just take a look at Naomi Campbell’s boyfriend. Not only is he very wealthy but he is very attractive, body tight and always dressed just right.
Miss C,
Tell me about those toes. I’m curious what you noticed.
I can tell you culturally, that a woman who doesn’t take care of her feet is looked down upon.
@nikos- some Albanians are Muslims put plenty of then are white or at least white looking.
Off topic: but the President could pass for White until he opened his mouth.
@nikos- China just started putting in a strong showing at international competition while Eastern Europeans have been doing so 30+ years.
Trust me , as a group Eastern Europeans men are not beta.
Chic – yes PUA is a business with a non-existent magic formula. Common sense like ‘dress well’ ‘look good’ ‘get a job’ etc doesn’t sell.
Nikos – If slavs were so tough, they wouldn’t have gotten invaded by Germany so easily.
The slavs beat Germany you retard. The Soviet Union defeated the strongest fighting army the world has perhaps ever seen. The heroism and toughness of the Russian fighting man demonstrated at battles like Stalingrad, Kursk, Vistula was second to none.
What are you Greek ? Some slimy Greek fuck is calling the Russians weak ? Seriously….
‘Bang Estonia’,'Bang Poland’, are you seeing a pattern here you dumb shit ? What next ‘Bang Cambodia’, ‘Bang Burkina Faso’ ?
Chief – you’ve embarrassed yourself. At least have the decency to slink away and beat off to your ‘Bang’ books.
chic noir,
Not really. Japan and Korea have done well for a long time, and China has since the 80s. Their men are beta, just like EE men.
Plus, women of EE do not outmarry due to poverty. We don’t see women from other poor countries like Brazil, Colombia, or Lebanon outmarry. They outmarry for the same reason East Asian women outmarry. The men are beta.
Podsnap,
The slavs beat Germany you retard.
er…. Germany invaded Poland, you imbecile. Study history before you blabber.
Russians are part Mongol. But they still do badly in ground wars (see : Winter War vs. Finland). They got clobbered in Afghanistan, for god’s sake. But I notice you are hiding behind Russia rather than admit the extreme weakness of Poland, Hungary, Czech, etc.
You are so ignorant that it beggars belief. You need to read Roosh’s books in order to begin an education.
Common sense like ‘dress well’ ‘look good’ ‘get a job’ etc doesn’t sell.
Are you just an anti-Game troll like AlekNovy? No wonder you don’t know much.
But they still do badly in ground wars But they did pretty good in the one that counted didn’t they Einstein ? You know the biggest war in human history – the one with the most casualties ?
No more talking to you, you greasy Greek fuck. I can beat a fool in an argument but it’s beyond my power to make him admit it.
I have to go off and work on my latest Game book. It’s called ‘Bang Greece’ – it’s going to be about my travels in Greece where I fucked a lot of poverty stricken Greek women. Maybe one was your sister.
@Podsnap- lol yet these guys act like they don’t understand what a creepy guy is yet most of them can identify a stereotypical looking “chester” child molester out of a lineup. Yea don’t look or act like that guy, why the hell do they need to pay another man x amount of dollars for this. Why not the GQ or Esquire style man.
I swear I think the slacking in physical presentation as well as manners and etiquette are what’s leading some people to have a dead social life with opposite sex.
what the fuck is going on in this thread? unmitigated retardation. and clarence, this is 2012, enough with the hypothetical internet threats that will never come to pass. and you’ve actually whistled at women in bars? did you ever try speaking to them directly? or did you think a passive-aggressive distant beckoning would actually moisten their panties? no wonder you’re an MRA.
For my whole life, I’ve been accused of harassing women just because of my name!
Chuck – I have never had a blogger come in at the end of a thread to ‘clean up’ – you’re like a parent coming home after leaving the kids on their own for the weekend.
NIkos may or may not be Greek. Might possibly be Indian. I’m not ruling out that he’s gay. There’ve been some race threads at CH and Obsidian’s original blog a few years back, and he’s since followed me around with the same effeminate, concern-troll passive-aggressive sounding tone. He’s harmless and I find him genuinely amusing.
He’s also sock-puppeting here as “Anthropomous.”
The degree of street level harassment black women experience from black men is probably higher than that experienced by other groups of women but the link between black female sexual abuse and obesity seems to be tenuous at best. The obesity levels for all groups,
except Asians, has increased tremendously. (Are all groups except Asians subject to increasing levels of sexual abuse despite decreasing levels of reported crime?) Additionally, if black women use fat as a shield to protect themselves from men, their weight has not undermined their
self-image. Currently, the sexual confidence level of black women surpasses every other group of women. If 58% of black women were subject to sexual abuse, wouldn’t this alleged reality manifest itself in lower reported levels of self-esteem? I think many black women, as a consequence of their inability to land the alpha of their dreams, decide to throw in the towel and chub out. These women nonetheless think they look hot.
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The degree of street level harassment black women experience from black men is probably higher than that experienced by other groups of women but the link between black female sexual abuse and obesity is tenuous at best. The obesity levels for all groups,
except Asians, has increased tremendously. (Are all groups except Asians subject to increasing levels of sexual abuse despite decreasing levels of reported crime?) Additionally, if black women use fat as a shield to protect themselves from men, their weight has not undermined their
self-image. Currently, the sexual confidence level of black women surpasses every other group of women. If 58% of black women were subject to sexual abuse, wouldn’t this alleged reality manifest itself in lower reported levels of self-esteem? I think many black women, as a consequence of their inability to land the alpha of their dreams, decide to throw in the towel and chub out. These women nonetheless think they look hot.
Chic,
Polish workers in Poland are not British, they are Poles working in England. This is what they would tell you if you asked.
I’m not sure who all these elite white people are, who are strident white nationalists, and would treat PA like a dog. From what I can tell, our elites are committed to diversity. Maybe PA’s views on race are his own.
As to my race views, they are best described as “normal.” By saying that, I go back to my longtime assertion that every white person under the sun is a WN if you look at his behavior and not his words. What makes me — and most others on the red-pill alt-right — different from conventional conservatives on race is the fact that we did away with the cognitive dissonance between our normal human self-interest and right-liberalism by dumping said right-liberalism. We learner to articulate matters of race on an honest and first-cause level.
Interesting backstory here… being European-born, I’ve seen a certain dynamic that is unfamiliar to US-born whites. On some psychological level, non-whites (not just blacks, but blacks much more so) need white man’s validation. And they see me as their great white hope in being a white man who is not tainted with white American racisss original sin. They burden me with huge and unrealistic expectations that way. Not that I mind friendly approaches — I’m very friendly in real life and enjoy talking with cool people; but I also see that there is more going on here on their part. I see this play out all the time, on blogs and in real life.
And when they discover that I am not a wonderful liberal, they are hurt. In my early twenties in the military, I was friends with a genuinely nice, non-aggressive and thoughtful black guy from the ghetto. One white chick in our unit said that she is not interested in dating black guys, and he later grumbled about how she’s prejudisss. I told him that people can date or not date whoever they want, and he nearly broke down in tears as though I betrayed him.
This plays out all the time, even to this day. It played out on CH when an interesting black blogger was very friendly to me until he discovered that my views in race and immigration are not liberal. His resulting hurt was palpable as he started sock-puppeting me as “Joe”.
@PA, that’s interesting because I though it was pretty well known amongst blks that Eastern Europeans have a tendency to be racist or WN. The new stories of Blks being attacked in Russia have become legendary and travel guides warn people with dark skin to be careful in Eastern Europe.
Maybe that Blk guy in the army thought you were French. American in general seem to be pretty ignorant about life outside of America and I’m sure you can agree with me their.
And don’t go cry babying , because people expect you to be fair and open oh God the injustice.
When you are a woman people expect you to like their kids, take care of your elderly parents, smile all the time, and be a virginal slut etc…
PA
As to my race views, they are best described as “normal.” By saying that, I go back to my longtime assertion that every white person under the sun is a WN if you look at his behavior and not his words.
Exactly – I would say my own views are – the same as the average of non-western whites currently, the same as non-yuppie/chattering class whites privately currently, and the same as western whites publically 30 years ago.
I believe in what works. At this point in time the west is not working well.
Immigration is my bugbear – the race stuff I can take or leave. Give me a choice between sensible black Chic, and stupid white Nikos – I know who I prefer.
Are you a paleo-conservative a la Pat Buchanan, PA? A “blood and soil” conservative?
Chic, which country are you in? Also, I agree that EE men are not beta (although) I’ve never been there. But beta men are increasingly not anywhere to be found in the world, because beta men only flourish in cultures where monogamy is widespread. No monogamy = no beta providers. Being beta or alpha is not a biological fact; it is a social construct.
As to why a lot of black women are obese, in the inner-city you do not want to be out before sunrise or after dark. This limits your opportunities for exercise. To be cool you have to move slowly, as if you have no place to be. Blacks model their behavior after the British aristocracy, manual labor is uncool, you must appear to be idle. Also, a lot of the black people I know eat like every day is a holiday. They treat themselves to lavish breakfasts and lunches. Almost everything they eat is fried. They eat high carbs and high fat. They hit the vending machines for candy bars, chips and cookies. They don’t buy food for home because their lowlife relatives and their relatives’ parolee girlfriends/boyfriends will eat it all while they are at work. My co-worker hit her niece in the face with a frying pan because the girl showed up and started stealing food out of her cupboard.
@schmifen- The USA sir
As beautiful women dig thuggish men, you’d expect thuggish ethnicities to have the most beautiful women.
Did you finish your studies, Chic?
How tall are you?
Well, after a few days I see this thread hasn’t gotten any less retarded, even as Chucky poo has put up another one to try to reiterate his “observations”, which EVEN IF TRUE, don’t amount to shit politically.
While chicknoir was sucking the thing under podsnap’s jockstrap I was busy adding more money to my life.
@clarence-How dare you??? What has gotten onto you? You use to be a cool dude , now you seem angry as hell.
@scmigen 5’9.5
chicnoir:
I can be as angry as anyone, and this is an angry thread.
You want to find out more, email or social media me. You have ways of contacting me, instead the first thing I get from YOU in literally six months is some bullshit accusation which you didn’t even stick around to let me respond to. Guilty until proven innocent is NOT COOL chicklet.
Clarence, didn’t you join the Promoting Justice as a fluffer for their soldiers?
How about me Clarence ? Can you give me an email address/Facebook/IM/MIRC/phone number/fax number/PO Box ? I don’t think you and I should lose touch either. At the very least I could send you a photo of the ‘thing under my jockstrap’ – you and I might both get a big kick out of that.
It’s right here in this thread: http://glpiggy.net/2012/09/26/gawkers-tale-of-2-cities/
Clarence acting like a whiny little bitch again.
Ok, I will be in touch Clarance. Please don’t be angry with me.
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