Kicking. Squealing.
Several things swirling around lately. The internet is buzzing with articles about unmarrieds and never-marrieds and single mothers. Ross Douthat has a piece that received a lot of attention. Philip Cohen of the University of Maryland wrote a piece that gained attention among feminists showing that while the incidence of single motherhood has increased over the past few decades, violent crime and murder have decreased. He also called for an apology to single mothers for the blame they’ve unfairly received. Many of those articles – including Amanda Marcotte’s response – were focused on the unelected Mitt Romney’s remarks in one of the debates on the topic of gun control. Romney asserted that family stability is one effective crime control method.
Then we have Jovan Belcher, the Kansas City Chiefs linebacker. He killed the mother of his child in front of his own mother after an argument in which Belcher’s girlfriend reportedly told him that she was going to leave him and fight for child custody and child support. He shot her dead and then drove to Arrowhead Stadium and killed himself in front of his head coach and general manager.
Jason Whitlock and Bob Costas both used the tragic incident as a springboard to criticize gun ownership and “gun culture”. Costas quoted from Whitlock’s article during halftime of last night’s game between the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles:
Back to Whitlock:
Our current gun culture simply ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy, and that more convenience-store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead.
In the coming days, Belcher’s actions will be analyzed through the lens of concussions and head injuries. Who knows? Maybe brain damage triggered his violent overreaction to a fight with his girlfriend. What I believe is, if he didn’t possess/own a gun, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.
O.J. Simpson didn’t use a gun. Of course, he also didn’t kill himself. So, really, the gun increased the likelihood that Belcher would have killed himself. Otherwise the case doesn’t get discussed by the sports media. Besides that, logistically, Whitlock is criticizing what seems to have been a perfectly legal ownership of a gun. The article in question is receiving a lot of blowback because it issues a blanket statement for a highly contentious topic. Whitlock is clamoring for the complete eradication of gun ownership when more precise measures of gun control, such as screening for mental health issues or prescription drug usage or, say, childhood family structure might be a better policy.
As Keoni Galt points out, Javon Belcher is the product of a single mom.
Belcher told the newspaper he credited his mother, Cheryl Shepard, and three older sisters with giving him support. “My mother is a hardworking woman,” he said. “To see her overcome some things and succeed, it makes me look at things and say, ‘This isn’t even hard.’ I didn’t really have a father figure, so they provided nice guidance for me.”
Whitlock doesn’t usually shy away from such PC-infused topics. He wrote about Vince Young’s failures in the NFL:
It’s not about color. It’s about fitting the profile of someone who can handle all that goes along with being an NFL quarterback. If I’m an owner, I spend my quarterback dollars on young men who were raised by strong fathers. It wouldn’t be an infallible system, but on average I bet I’d hit more winners than if I turned over the leadership of my team to a kid who isn’t used to having a strong male authority figure.
But a culture influenced by a large centralized government that is also heavily influenced by progressives and social radicals is one that will allow individuals to do whatever they want to do all while providing subsidies for the behavior. That is taken as the default, the new normal, in our society. It can never be considered a root cause of any errant behavior. Essentially, the federal government gains power by keeping individuals on the dole – needy and supplicant – while limiting their strength as represented by gun ownership rights. Violence cannot be attributed solely to any single cause, but regardless of the “right” allocation, there is a constant pressure to downplay the role of family structure while focusing more attention to gun ownership.
Steve Sailer responded to the “crime is trending inversely with illegitimacy” meme in Mother Jones’ comments section – noting that yes, crime is, but incarceration is most certainly not. It’s way up. Prison keeps many more felons off the streets, and for longer terms, than it did in the Dukakis ’80s.
In the article I linked from Cohen at The Atlantic, he writes that he’s willing to entertain the “incarceration craze” as one explanation for the drop off…ignoring the fact that it is mostly the products of single mothers who become incarcerated.
Probably a double-whammy; the single moms’ numbers are down and their sprogs, while more likely to commit crimes, are imprisoned for longer.
Personally, I’m not in favor of even mental health screenings. Too many people would avoid seeking treatment if it meant their guns would be taken away, and physicians can already commit people (mental hospitals won’t let them take their guns in, I’m sure) if they’re a danger to themselves and others.
The current background check system is fine: aside from gang- or drug-related homicides, gun deaths are a low-incidence, high-consequence kind of thing. Notice how no one is using this as a wedge for family court reform. Default father custody would prevent more of this type of thing than increased restrictions on gun ownership.
The only way to stop gun violence is a complete ban on private gun ownership. People of Color understand the societal ill that guns create; this when the demographics and the USA becomes a real country then guns can be confiscated and a new era of peace of enlightnement will be ushered in.
“The only way to stop gun violence is a complete ban on private gun ownership. People of Color understand the societal ill that guns create; this when the demographics and the USA becomes a real country then guns can be confiscated and a new era of peace of enlightenment will be ushered in.”
And that is working so well in Chicago. They have a higher casualty rate than Afghanistan. GLP’s analysis is correct. Ill raised people, usually male, kill others. But don’t expect me to go along with your idea and making their job easier by disarming me.
Certain GOP pols are making the right moves like the Wisconsin state rep who moved to limit what single moms could use their welfare on, making it less comfortable. You can tell they’re doing the right thing because their small moves get the 2 min hate and calls of being racist or sexist but absolutely no objection that is an argument. That’s just about the only way we can deal with the problem in our current PC dominated debate society.
I agree with Spoos. We do have good background check protocols in place, and the internet has made checks faster and more thorough. God knows what libs would have classified as a mental health issue in the near future.
It was the third of September
That day I’ll always remember, yes I will,
Cause that was the day that my daddy died.
I never got a chance to see him,
Never heard nothin’ but bad things about him.
Momma I’m depending on you, to tell me the truth.
Momma just hung her head and said, son
Papa was a rolling stone,
Wherever he laid his hat was his home
and when he died, all he left us was alone.
Hey Momma!
Is it true what they say that Papa never worked a day in his life?
And Momma, some bad talk goin’ round town sayin’ that
Papa had three outside children,
And another wife, and that ain’t right.
Heard them talking Papa doing some storefront preachin’
Talking about saving souls and all the time leechin’
Dealing in dirt, and stealing in the name of the Lord.
The Temptations nailed it in 1972, and nothing’s changed since.
I agree with Spoos on the mental screenings issue – in a Holder/Obama world it wouldn’t be long before “right-wing values” could be used to disqualify people from gun ownership.
One curious thing, though – who would pay for all of the detective work necessary to achieve this?:
Default father custody would prevent more of this type of thing than increased restrictions on gun ownership.
The majority of illegitimate fathers are nowhere to be found when their progeny joins the world. The cost of tracking down millions of baby daddies would fall to the state.
Oh, and seriously, why is anyone expecting blacks to be capable of forming nuclear, western-style families featuring a responsible, provider father? Monogamy and blackness don’t mix.
The reason that gun violence is so prevalent in Chicago despite the regulations is because people get thier guns from elsewhere. To stop the carnage there must be a NATION wide ban on firearms.
Guns are a white male fetish. As with big trucks, guns are used to compensate for other shortcomings (you know what I’m talking about)
That’s stupid. They compare the single-motherhood rate with the overall crime rate – which is falling for unrelated reasons. They should be comparing the crime rate of children of single mothers with that of children of stable families. Would have that that was obvious.
Monogamy and Blackness may not mix, but you know what does?
Black Men and white girls!
“Guns don’t kill people, dangerous minorities do”
Comment #50,000!
“Pedophiles do not molest children, white “men” do”
Anti-racist –
Na. Per capita Natives or whatever you call them are the most likely to molest children, then Blacks, then Hispanics, then Whites, then Asians.
anti-racist,
as a white man how many children have you molested?
None, of course. How can I molest children when I never leave my parents’ house?
Don’t ask stupid questions.
Hey, Arrosnki-
Back up your claims or get out my grill
“Guns are a white male fetish. As with big trucks, guns are used to compensate for other shortcomings (you know what I’m talking about)”
If guns are a white male fetish, why are the primary users in homicides minority male? Look at Europe, they have problems with gun violence; even after they’ve been banned. What you dislike is guns. Be honest; despite all the evidence stating that gun prevent crimes, you just don’t like guns.
That’s okay, I don’t like sledge hammers, they are heavy and noisy when used, and make no sense to me. But at least I don’t make political careers and theories based on an inanimate object that is used by people.
Mike43-
To respond to your query would require way more explnantion then you would have time to read, as it covers so many topics:
critical race theory
income inequality
racism white privilege
etc…
Outside of yachting under the influence, there’s no crime that blacks don’t commit at rates far above the other races.
Chuck:
Why the hell haven’t you banned the “anti-racist” troll? I’m actually starting to think this guy is for real – well not the being a critical race theory white liberal, but that he sits in his mom’s basement all day trolling race realist sites.
Anti-Racist is clearly spoofing a libtard. Combination of over the top self-pity, articulate SWPL sophistry, and NOI mythology make it clear thay it’s a joke character. Possibly played by a mildly deranged WN.How does one respond to him (if one must)? I guess you just make it fun.
There’s a few different people sharing the anti-racist screen name. You see them everywhere on HBD sites.
They may also share the same ip and email address, at least on this blog.
youngreact,
who is anti-racist?
Please don’t ban me. This is my only form of human contact. You guys will never know the pain of being an old, unemployable, virign. I’d kill myself if I had the courage.
Thanks Chuck for letting me post here. I don’t mean to be a boor or anything. I just need the release.
you live in a heavily black city. you also said you don’t leave your house. so, yeah, i see what that’s all about. you’re anti-racist in theory but racist in fact.
How do you know where I live?
Of course I am racist. You surely admit that all white men are racist. As a reslut of societal privileges and irrational fearss, we cannot help it.
AR –
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/myth-whites-are-more-likely-to-be-pedophiles-and-child-molesters/
He’s not, by the way, a master satirist. Satirists aren’t that persistent. And after enough time dealing with these sorts of trolls (CR seems to attract the real weirdos for some reason) you can just sniff them out. There’s just a weird petty hostility that comes through in their comments which you can feel.
However sometimes they may say things which are completely out of whack with what they would usually say. i.e. there are inconsistencies in their ideological narrative. Don’t get confused by it. It’s literally just because they’re mentally unstable.
“Please don’t ban me. This is my only form of human contact. ”
I see you’re using CH’s “agree and amplify.” Now leave the house and use it on some women.
I preferred Obsidian’s trolling as it seemed more from the heart and consistently retarded. Obsidian really craved Chuck’s approval or treatment as an equal.
racist,
IP address maybe?
I used to troll as a militant black. It’s inevitable that you get into character and superficially at least, you identify with your character. My takeaway on the fun trolling experience is that any – ANY – response to my troll comments was very rewarding. Angry ones especially so. A lack of response from trolled commenters was always disappointing.
Robert Lindsay is not an authority.
If whites are not the quentessential pedos, then why does the media present them as such?
I’m not really a troll. More like a lonely loser with no chance at a life. If I’m really bothering you guys with my truthslanging then I’ll quit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/146cnj/guy_trying_to_prove_black_people_are_mentally/
What [W]hitlock doesn’t get, is that most gun control measures in this country were intended to disarm blacks, who have reliably demonstrated, as a group, the inability to keep and bear arms in a responsible manner. If our legal system were able to openly restrict gun ownership based on race, then Jevon Whatshisfuck would have be unable to shoot his babymomma. Since it was a “crime of passion”, he would have ended up using a knife or his hands; but the average urban black would be safer.
AR –
Look at the stats he links to. Why so obtuse?
I walked on to a D1 football team. They put my locker next to a black dude who’d been suspended for random fights, exposing his weiner in public, etc. His brother was in jail for murder. I was pretty nervous to be lockered next to him. But I actually ended up liking the guy. Always happy and joking and he treated some lowly white walk-on like me w/ more respect than most of the scholarship white dudes on the team did at first. Anyway, this guy goes on to play in the NFL. I figure he’s on the right path. Then he pulls a gun on a valet.
Everyone describes Belcher as a likeable hard-working good guy, too.
My claim: These types of guys- happy, good looking, funny, successful, hardworking and capable or murder- basically do not exist among non-blacks in the US.
You guys might attribute the pro-Belcher talk among people who knew him to bias. But my personal experience tells me that this guy probably was a decent guy on a a day to day basis.
Anyway, anyone got any thoughts on my core claim?
brendan-
Blacks Men are extremely masculine. That is all that needs be said on the subject.
@brendan
I’m not so sure if it is a question of race or a question of your upbringing/the culture you grew up in. Have you ever had anything to do with russians? They are mostly like you described, happy, funny, good-looking,…but can change their attitude towards extreme hostility and agressivness in mere seconds…
Yeah, and Russia has a very high incarceration rate, too. A lot of Russian crime is due to alcohol-fueled fighting.
brendan,
the guy was cool to you because you weren’t any sort of threat as a walk-on. that has less to do with race than the natural human behavior of seeing someone who is closer to you in status (athletic, in this case) as the bigger threat and stiffer competition. if i have to get into his head, he can befriend a weaker white guy in hopes of having you as an ally against the higher status white players. either all of that or just the fact that you guys were so close to each other geographically within the locker room made all the difference. people drop that front when they share space or are intimate in any (no homo) way.
Deon Anderson btw?
Russians came to my mind. I’ve also heard of an American Indian acting that way (reasonable to violent with little provocation), but I don’t think he was much of a charmer.
CR. Your explanation occurred to me and probably is part of it, but not the entire story. He was also friendlier/less aloof/more respectful to random students than the typical player was. I don’t mean respectful as in polite. I mean just mean he’d talk to and joke around w/ most anyone on campus. Not true of most stud football/bball players.
Yep, Deon. I’m impressed.
Sounds like dark triad. He’d joke around with people and socialize with them because he had their attention and could be the center of it. It was about him. But I wonder if he’d do something like help a student (not a hot girl) change a car tire if they needed help.
And then it sounds like he was drunk when he pulled the gun on the valet. He was just never told “no” and, while being gregarious, still had faulty wiring which the alcohol brought to the surface.
My guess is he wouldn’t know how to change a car tire.
Camlost: “Monogamy and blackness don’t mix.”
Well, they don’t after 2-3 generations of the gov kicking the father’s out of the family as an incentive for welfare. Same thing is happening elsewhere now with divorce/dv laws.
I don’t think crime is down even with incarceration up. Lots of crimes happen around here, the police are called and they tell them that there is no chance that the perps will ever be found, so no reports are filed.
Car thefts might be down, but when it comes to other petty thefts, gang violene and other street violence, carrying without intent to sell, and so forth there is just no interest in seeing these things enforced and there is no desire to see them included in crime statistics, which we already know are heavily massaged just by looking at the mug shots of “white” criminals.
@AR “The only way to stop gun violence is a complete ban on private gun ownership. People of Color understand the societal ill that guns create; this when the demographics and the USA becomes a real country then guns can be confiscated and a new era of peace of enlightnement will be ushered in.”
You can dream, but you’ll never get half of the legal guns or any of the illegal guns out there. Even if you did, someone would be able to manufacture them in their basement. They’re not that complicated, gun manufacturing companies just make really good, safe guns.
“Guns are a white male fetish. As with big trucks, guns are used to compensate for other shortcomings (you know what I’m talking about)”
So if white guys are only compensating, why do gangstas fetishize guns and SUV’s?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/13/judge-rejects-outrageous-unconstitutional-mandatory-gun-sentence/
They banned guns in the UK. Now Brits are victimized more than Americans, and the Brits have a knife problem. It’s not a weapon problem; it’s an underclass, poor impulse control problem.
Ha ha. Anti-racist thinks that reddit is a fount of wisdom. Better to read some real stuff.
I think Brendan’s take is more right than not, and it’s not just American blacks. In fact, in my experience, including two years in West Africa, the schizoid tendencies of blacks is *less* pronounced in American blacks.
West Africans tend to have irrepressibly sunny dispositions, which can switch over in an instant (though this is obviously pretty rare). The kind of sickening tribal savagery seen in recent decades in Rwanda, Liberia and Sierra Leone may be partly the result of this unintegrated inherited psychology.
I don’t think it is 100% as the only reason any of these guys are ‘successful’ is because of pro-sports or other entertainment, and neither industry is particularly organic. That is to say they leave a lot of money on the table and push an agenda that involves lots of black entertainment when the market would probably pay more to not see another gangbanger on stage or in the stadium.
In reality these guys are gregarious and unsuccessful outside of being paid lots of money to run a ball basically. I don’t think this is inherent to blacks.
There is a surviving story of a Viking named Ivar Child-Lover or something of the sort. He wasn’t a pedophile, he simply refused to kill children, which to the other Vikings was just too hilarious to not record for posterity.
Being happy-go-lucky killers is something whites are capable of, it’s just that it’s a dumb thing to do in the modern world so it very rarely happens. Blacks are just dumb is all. They have no non-white ancestry that descends from any civilized race of people, and are uniquely unsuited to the civilized world. Whites pushed to the wall like the first generation of Vikings were with starvation and religious suppression were certainly more than capable enough of being savages when the circumstances called for it.