A woman named Amie Longmire has a piece up at Good Men Project which just can’t go untouched. It’s truly awful and has no place at a site which is theoretically supposed to be a gathering spot for men to talk about how to be good (or something).
Longmire’s piece has the assumptive title “How to Date Me: A Field Guide for Men”. It is an 8 point list of things that men should or should not do if they want to date Amie Longmire who teaches writing classes at Biola University, a private evangelical Christian university in Southern California.
The list contains her expectations, preferences, and “don’ts”. She wants to spend the first date to get to know the man she’s on a date with. She doesn’t like drama (who admits that they do?). She claims that everyone, including men, make lists of what their ideal partner should look like. Let go of the list, man, which you probably didn’t make but which Longmire assumes you’ve made because she’s made them before. She’s not an object. Don’t freak out after the date – more projection. Be a gentleman and treat her like a lady even though she was raised by her father to be fiercely independent. In other words, dance monkey, dance but do it without stepping on her toes. And here’s the gut shot – dynamic characters only!:
I teach college writing courses and I find myself telling my students the same thing over and over. A story where nothing happens and the character never changes cannot be counted as a story at all. I want the story of my life to be filled with adventure, growth, laughter, love, risk, and whimsy. I think God’s imagination for my future is immeasurably larger than anything I could come up with on my own. I’m looking to spend my life with someone, possibly you, in such a way that when our lives merge, we are a force of nature the likes of which the world has never seen. This is a tall order, not for the faint of heart. Only dynamic characters should apply.
So there at GMP, a site for men, is an article written by a woman about what she thinks men should do to appeal only to her. What’s the point of the piece? How does something so superficial and banal find a home at the website? And important outside the purpose of the website, why should any man try to fix himself to this list just to date Amie Longmire?
Now, there aren’t many circumstances under which I would say that this type of list would be tolerable. Only if the woman was smoking hot would this list not leave an indelible stain on her permanent record. Only then would a man just yadda, yadda through such a list and not really care about the self-indugence underlying it. We might still be annoyed by the expression of female privilege, but we’d understand that the woman is in high enough demand that she can create lists to weed out poor candidates. By hinting that there is more to her than just looks – dating her is a “tall order” – Longmire hints that she is the type of catch that most men are looking for:
Neither are you and I promise not to treat you like one. I’ll give you a tip. Most men are not chatting me up because they think I look smart. I live in Los Angeles. I’m tall. I’m blonde. I like to wear cowgirl boots. But there is so much more to me than these superficial things. You’ll win my attention and respect pretty quick if you can make me laugh and ask me intelligent questions.
Longmire isn’t ugly, but men aren’t chatting her up (in L.A. no less) because they think she’s a bombshell. I only go in this direction when a person makes a direct statement about their personal attributes. They should be able to back it up, and if they can’t they have to be called on it. Check the video below at minute 37:
I second Bronan. It all started to go downhill when they failed to publish my argument against ever sending dick pics. They were running like 3 pro dick pic articles that needed to be rebuffed.
Maybe I should dial into the conference call on Friday and just rage.
The intensity of the incredible sense of entitlement in this piece probably escapes her, but she’s the most alpha/top dog-seeking American I Deserve The Absolute Very Best version of female princess, and at a solid 6, thinks she’s a 9.
Most men are not chatting me up because they think I look smart.
Because you don’t look smart, honey! You look like a typically delusional SWPL that never had an original idea in your life or ever even questioned a prefabricated assumption fed to you by the Progressive Establishment.
I’m looking to spend my life with someone, possibly you, in such a way that when our lives merge, we are a force of nature the likes of which the world has never seen.
Seriously, do women really think like this? If she really believes this, then she is insane. Also, she is doomed to be miserable all her days.
I will say, “I got it” when you hold a door for me or help me with my coat the first few times…You will need to remind me that you are doing this because you are a gentleman not because you think me incapable.
Sick, sick, sick. This is reductive in the extreme. And she tells us not to see HER as an object!
On top of all this, she seems to have two brats, based on some photos. Yeah, what a catch!
longmire also reminds me of something i’ve always found annoying: blonde women who think that just because they have blonde hair means that they’re attractive like the stereotypical blonde Barbie. unattractive blondes ride the coattails of the attractive blonde stereotype.
I expectd this SoCal tall blonde who wears cowboy boots to be a 7 or 8. I concur with the guys rating her a 4-5. Her hair is awful, and her face is rather mannish. She could be the daughter of Dauber from “Coach”. In SoCal, she should consider herself lucky if any man approaches her.
@soren – Glad to be of service. That article was an absolute joke. That author is an Ivy league, global elite rich girl who wants to have her cake and eat it to.
just read the piece from Smith. she wants the chivalry from men but doesn’t say anything about what women will give back in return. cafeteria feminism, as usual.
The “Faithful Women Wanted” article is also hamsteriffic.
“Old men looking for a woman who won’t cheat? How dare they!” This, when self-admitted infidelity rates are 57% in men and 54% in women. Give he anecdotal evidence that women deflate their partner counts, one wonders how accurate the assessment of female infidelity being less common is.
Male sexual jealousy is not something you can reason with. Just as with hypergamy, desires can’t be negotiated away.
One wonders if any of the female stable at TGMP have pondered the shoe on the other foot.
Amie Longmire strikes me as the type of academic who’d have a biracial baby that she’d raise alone, all the while thumbing her nose at “white male patriarchy” in her writings.
These Jezebel-for-Men sites are absolutely laughable. Imagine an “experts site” for women where a bunch of fat dudes in sweat pants write “expert” dating articles which are really just lists of demands. It would never fly, yet millions of schlubs line up for the female equivalent of this crap.
@Spoos in august The article you talk about and the one Chuck links to go together very well. Woman with requirement ? cheered, men with requirements ? booed. Rollo has great article about this called “Qualities of the Prince”. http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/qualities-of-the-prince/
Well, she may be delusional, but she likes to cook and knit and sew, so she has proper feminine skills. And her kids are white. And while she’s a manjaw, she’s not a landwhale. Really, she could be a lot worse.
The reason men aren’t chatting you up, Ms. is that you don’t look like good material.
I hate to break it to you, your a 5 in the looks department. Since people of all genders can shallow and desire is a funny thing you need to work on the rest of you . Given the tone of the article you have a long way to go. The fact you have brains however has nothing to do with it and in fact its in you plus column, double if you like nerds which you probably don’t.
1. Seeing her gave me mild pangs of disgust. That’s the only way I can describe it.
2. I’d consider rescuing a puppy. Never men. She sounds like a real nice person.
3. I’m looking to spend my life with someone, possibly you, in such a way that when our lives merge, we are a force of nature the likes of which the world has never seen. This is a tall order, not for the faint of heart. Only dynamic characters should apply.
Suspend Godwin’s Law for a moment. This case obviously merits it. Replace a few words, and you have a Nazi. Don’t replace them, and you have the politically correct SWPL-Nazi hybrid.
This world is delusional, and all it does is force people to be mean. If she wasn’t clucking orders about what men can do to be worthy of her, I don’t think people would go out of her way to tell her she was unfortunate looking.
I definitely wouldn’t have said anything if she didn’t come off as if she was some catch. I don’t like attacking people based on their looks. Only when they pretend that they’re something that they aren’t do I feel the need to mention it.
She’s a 5 at best – gotta subtract for the obvious crummy personality. But then even homely girls can think themselves beautiful – if there is always someone that will fuck them. And, there are a lot of beautiful girls – who question their looks. It’s more than the lowest common denominator for them, not just that they can get picked up every time.
A lot of men like to state very specific preferences of what they like in a woman. Surprising, the men I know who would be the hardest to get, don’t do this much.
but even GMP wouldn’t and hasn’t published a post in which a man wrote about what a woman would have to do in order to date him. at least i don’t think they have published such an article.
A lot of men like to state very specific preferences of what they like in a woman. Surprising, the men I know who would be the hardest to get, don’t do this much.
Unbelievable the entitlement on display here. The utterly fantastical self-delusion. She’s a dog. She looks like that deformed kid from the movie “Mask”. She writes a breathless list of criteria that she wants in a man and yet she’d be lucky to get a faceful of gynecomastia from a desperate manboob.
Delusional! In the south a smokin hot sorority girl with a big heart would say “well bless her heart” and attempt to make her over, then cry her eyes out when she failed. She’s a North Dallas 3.
Why do we get so upset with people who overly assess their mate value?
It isn’t the attitude she expresses itself (as you mentioned if she was very attractive there would be nothing to see here). I would say if she was overly assessing her value in another arena we would be put off, but not as strongly. Why?
Yeah, she’s not ugly.. but she certainly feels her sexrank and SMP value is higher than it is.
She’s traded in humility for arrogance and pretending it’s confidence. It breeds delusion.
I expect her to be getting a Costco membership shortly to start buying kitty litter in bulk. I would certainly not try to date her, even BEFORE realizing she has ‘a list’ i need to qualify to.
Earth to amie, earth to amie, do you copy? You’re not worth it, so forget that cosmetics slogan. There’s a garbage truck driver/alcoholic here on earth who would be perfect for you! He’s your most realistic option. See you when you re-enter earth’s atmosphere, over.
I think all women have lists of things they want in a partner. It’s part of the fairy tale women have about men and love.
I’ll never forget the time Dana from Roissey’s blog wrote ” if a man isn’t fucking you or you aren’t sleeping with him, he has no need for you” what a slap across he face. Men when you fall in love are more romantic but women are more fantasy driven when it comes to love.
What the author and plenty of Americans are suffering from is too much of that sappy self help garbage. Barbara Ehrenreich has a book that I’ve been meaning to get around to that covers this topic. Not every marriage will read like something out of a romance novel just like not every job will be a dream career.
Sometimes work is just something that pays the bills and your spouse is the person who fills his/her part of the marriage contract.
@Eric Stratton- I’m on your side. Don’t send dick pics. Most women see them as threatening furthermore, if the guy isn’t packing, it could turn him into an object of scorn. Plus mystery is good.
If you have a six pack send a girl a photo of you on the beach or at the pool. Try to have the photo look as natural as possible.
I was thinking for a second, “Oh Gucci is just being catty.” Till I saw the vid. Now I think you’re being charitable.
What applies here is the meme that’s been developed over at Heartiste’s and Roosh’s: don’t listen to what women say, watch what they do. How much do you want to bet that the men that made it into Ms. Cowgirl Boots’ pants followed a wildly different agenda than the one she’s laid out? How much you wanna bet they followed none of her “rules?”
Also, this reads more like a parody of a woman’s demands than the real thing. Maybe she’s auditioning for “Saturday Night Live?” (Kidding.)
@SOB1- Dude I just finished reading your “women” blog. Damn I really love it:) I think Sophia Loren and Raquel Welch are two of the baddest White women ever. 10s across the board.
In some blk&wht movies, Sophia Loren looks like a light skin Blk woman. Loren ‘s face is a masterpiece, those cheekbones, lips omg what a nice looking woman. There is a movie I watched with Loren and Tony Perkins that had plenty of close ups of Loren. I was so taken aback with the beauty of her face.
Chic Noir you fail to understand girl. There is a Struggle for Justice that will involve action in the name of anti racism and you are giving comfort to the enemy. white boy chuck is still a white boy.
Thanks Chic Noir. I am disgusted by the ‘look’ forced on the US public by the entertainment-fashion complex, but I wanted to keep those pics/vids off my normal blog because friends read my regular stuff at work. Comments are always welcome.
She is definitely ugly. The 4s, 5s and 6s being handed out are extremely generous. She has a caveman face. I bet she is irish. I have nothing against irish women but every white woman I’ve met with this kind of caveman face has been irish.
well, over at genderratic, I stated that I wouldn’t get seriously involved with a woman who was divorced or had kids. I’m never married and no kids (unlike creepster Hugo Scumbag Schwzyer I didn’t add-”not that I know of, tehe…”)
A feminist went apesh*t mad-how dare a male state he has preferences…..
I finally rephrased it as well, a non smoker (of either gender) may rule out a smoker…
she finally backtracked and was all like, well, I was only trying to give you advice on how to get laid….
funny how they want to be the “selector” sex….
if we pay attention to them, we are “harrassers” and when we don’t we are either closet cases, sexually entitled or seriously damaged…..
and people wonder why so many guys are going MGTOW…..
You people are being much too hard on her. First, she’s a writer so she’s going to go on and on trying to be clever. Second, she knows at her best she’s a handsome woman and that she is not very desirable to most men. So she’s going to compensate a little, bleh, who cares, indulge her.
She comes across as many women who’ve learned being smart isn’t going to get them a man, she seems like she’d probably be all right once a man takes her in hand.
She seems like she actually likes men, she doesn’t come off like that elevator atheist girl.
@SOB1 – you know I am a person who loves models but I don’t think actresses should be forced to look that way when it isn’t there natural body type. Plus most of the models of today, are much thinner than the 90′s supermodels. Gisselle Bunchen looked rather beefy when she walked Balenciaga a few seasons ago.
Somebody in Hollywood decided to remove the glamour of utterly good looking people and make most actors and actresses Ulta fit (the puffed up steroid look)or thin with average faces.
Even most of the top high fashion models now are rather odd looking in the face.
@SOBL1- if you want to see what we’ll built models looked like in the 90′s and late 80′s, check out a video of the Herve Lege fashion show from around 92-94. Tyra Banks and Yasmin Ghauri had BODY!
chicnoir: “What the author and plenty of Americans are suffering from is too much of that sappy self help garbage. Barbara Ehrenreich has a book that I’ve been meaning to get around to that covers this topic. Not every marriage will read like something out of a romance novel just like not every job will be a dream career. Sometimes work is just something that pays the bills and your spouse is the person who fills his/her part of the marriage contract.”
You know, you’re right, but I hope that’s never me. That’s why I’m here in the manosphere, to be more.
As for Longmire, I didn’t follow the link, but for a woman to assume what she thinks she wants is what other women will respond positively to, and thus is what men need to do to improve themselves, well we’ve certainly seen that before, nothing new about that.
My list:
1. Must have strong character, will not abandon me when the going gets tuff. I am absouloutley terrified of becoming a single mother. Too much work for one person and my kid will be emotionally stunted.
2. Height at least 5’5. I’m 5’9.5 & I come from a family of fall people on both sides, so being tall doesn’t impress me. To be honest, I kinda of like short men. *shrugs shoulders*
3. Most be good with money but not a grinch.
4. Must be attractive to my eyes.
5. Must treat me like I am made of glass, I like chivalry. * shrugs shoulders*
6. Must not have many tattoos. Preferably none, it’s becoming corny at this point folks. You look like everyone else.
7. Should not how to cook a few dishes for those days when I am not feeling well.
8. Be an optimist.
9. Like cats
10. *looks around shyly and shispers* likes to eat at the Y every now and then. * black girl blush*
11. Likes to travel( it’s the SWPL in me)
stoner: “I’m never married and no kids (unlike creepster Hugo Scumbag Schwzyer I didn’t add-”not that I know of, tehe…”)”
Yeah that’s one of my game pet peeves too. I KNOW I don’t have any I don’t know about, and I don’t think that overused trope is funny.
I think a lot of men don’t have ideal mate lists. She has to pass a certain threshold of to get to sex partner or girlfriend status, then he just wants to date a while and see how much we like each other.
In other words, “I really want to date a man to fulfill every single line item of an inflexible, take-it-or-leave-it bullet point list. However, most importantly, my ideal man must be dynamic and spontaneous…unlike well…me.”
Being a teacher at a Christian university, fornicating (and especially blogging about it) is probably grounds for termination of employment. That, in addition to putting herself on a pedestal and expecting Mr. Prove Himself Worthy to climb a ladder of shit tests to attain her, makes me guess there won’t be any pussy without at least an engagement ring.
Having a list of desirable qualities in a mate is one thing. Stating that preference in a public forum for all the world to see and hear is quite another. This is where the problem comes in.
This reminds me of the adults I’d meet after church when my parents took me as a kid. They’d drone on about how much their BMWs cost to maintain, how high the private school tuition for their kids was, and how important their jobs were. Speaking openly about how fantastic you are is crass, tawdry and, unfortunately, a very American quality. It’s the brassy, American-ness of this woman that’s disturbing not the fact that she has preferences.
All that being said, I think Stoner With a Boner makes a significant point here. If one of us guys were to turn around and say “I prefer Russian women,” we’d get a raft of sh*t like he did about how we were “sexist” and “closed-minded.” Western women want to corner the market on preference.
Some women are worth a second and even a third looooong look.
Some unfortunate ones get a second look the way a bad car crash does – you just can’t not look at something that messed up. D:
And other women simply aren’t worth a second look. This is one of those.
As others have said, I normally wouldn’t comment negatively on someone’s personal appearance, but when they convey this warped sense that they’re “hot” when they’re not, they’re just asking for it.
LACK of self-esteem is not an issue in this country, rather an EXCESS of it is.
You guys are a bad influence. >:( I couldn’t help but leave her a reply:
> I will say, “I got it” when you hold a door for me or help me with my coat the first few times.
Do that, and a true gentleman won’t be around for you say it to a second time.
> If you wake up the morning after our date and wonder how it went or you’re doubting the effectiveness of a punchline or if something I said confused you
A guy with those worries should instead be concerned about the future “fun” Christmas sweaters he’ll be forced to wear and figuring out the best way to hold your purse for you.
Overall, I think a lot of men would reply, “Thanks for the warning, Amie”.
I left a comment, which I’m sure will get deleted. I’ve copied it here if you all don’t mind, because I think I make a larger point:
Is this a real article or an Oscar Wilde-like satire on what American women are like?
I’m having a hard time believing that the following sentences aren’t meant to be read in a high-pitched Victorian-inspired voice for a character whose motivation in life is “instructing” a parade of hapless suitors on the finer points of how to behave. Call it “The Impotence of Being Earnest.”
The scene: a well-appointed living room where are teacher holds court in front of a motley band of schlubby social misfits who seek her hand in courtship. Like the Iago character in “Othello,” she feeds them bad advice to further her own devious ends, which in this case include free dinners, out-of-style-boots (which draw a round of chuckles from female audience members), and kayaking lessons. The audience laughs uproariously at the most pretentious lines, such as:
” I need your help remembering these things.”
“If this first date eventually turns into a trip down the aisle, we will be unpacking our respective histories together for years to come.”
The fun really comes, though, as she wildly starts to gesticulate, raising her voice to an ear-splitting high pitch, while her minions — all sitting at her feet in criss-cross applesauce position — nod approvingly:
“This is a tall order, not for the faint of heart. Only dynamic characters should apply.”
“Good luck. I’m rooting for you.”
I want to applaud the author for devising a deliciously wicked parody of the type of self-deluded, entitled American woman that populates certain urban areas. This character is cleverly drawn because it is the female equivalent to the basement-dwelling gamer geeks who write on message boards about how Internet models don’t measure up. As for the author of this piece, I encourage her (or him?) to take it to the stage where it should be a hit with audiences for years to come.
Oh and if this one-act play seems kind of short for an evening out, I’d recommend putting it on a double bill with a musical: “Cats.”
Spoos: “One wonders if any of the female stable at TGMP have pondered the shoe on the other foot.”
Of course not, that would require actual thinking. Women love squawking about “walk a mile in her high heels buster!” but rarely see beyond their own tits.
ed miller: I will say, “I got it” when you hold a door for me or help me with my coat the first few times.
Do that, and a true gentleman won’t be around for you say it to a second time.
Seems like for a lot of game-aware guys, that’s the male version of the shit test. Open the car door for her or something else not too cheesy for the context, and if she resists instead of accepting gracefully, she fails.
ChicNoir: 1. Must have strong character, will not abandon me when the going gets tuff. I am absouloutley terrified of becoming a single mother. Too much work for one person and my kid will be emotionally stunted.
OK, so good luck finding a nice liberal white dude that’s down with interracial marriage.
Camlost- I can find a Black, Asian or Latino man who fits the bill. I’m so so concerned with his race , although being with another Blk will be easier since we may share the same or similar culture and it’s more socially acceptable.
I’m consistently impressed by GMP’s ability to get worse.
I second Bronan. It all started to go downhill when they failed to publish my argument against ever sending dick pics. They were running like 3 pro dick pic articles that needed to be rebuffed.
Maybe I should dial into the conference call on Friday and just rage.
…annnnnd she’s a 4 at best.
There’s just no words.
She’s delusional. Between a 4 or 5. Maybe 5.5 in better lighting.
The intensity of the incredible sense of entitlement in this piece probably escapes her, but she’s the most alpha/top dog-seeking American I Deserve The Absolute Very Best version of female princess, and at a solid 6, thinks she’s a 9.
Sad.
Here’s my favorite tweet of the morning…
“Chivalry comes from a position of strength towards feminine women who inspire men, not modern gals”
Ugh, she has one of those gawky bodies, all elbows and knees and jaws.
http://dornsife.usc.edu/news/stories/890/discovering-their-voices/
I’m lovin’ her comments.
Most men are not chatting me up because they think I look smart.
Because you don’t look smart, honey! You look like a typically delusional SWPL that never had an original idea in your life or ever even questioned a prefabricated assumption fed to you by the Progressive Establishment.
I’m looking to spend my life with someone, possibly you, in such a way that when our lives merge, we are a force of nature the likes of which the world has never seen.
Seriously, do women really think like this? If she really believes this, then she is insane. Also, she is doomed to be miserable all her days.
I will say, “I got it” when you hold a door for me or help me with my coat the first few times…You will need to remind me that you are doing this because you are a gentleman not because you think me incapable.
Sick, sick, sick. This is reductive in the extreme. And she tells us not to see HER as an object!
On top of all this, she seems to have two brats, based on some photos. Yeah, what a catch!
longmire also reminds me of something i’ve always found annoying: blonde women who think that just because they have blonde hair means that they’re attractive like the stereotypical blonde Barbie. unattractive blondes ride the coattails of the attractive blonde stereotype.
I expectd this SoCal tall blonde who wears cowboy boots to be a 7 or 8. I concur with the guys rating her a 4-5. Her hair is awful, and her face is rather mannish. She could be the daughter of Dauber from “Coach”. In SoCal, she should consider herself lucky if any man approaches her.
@soren – Glad to be of service. That article was an absolute joke. That author is an Ivy league, global elite rich girl who wants to have her cake and eat it to.
Especially cruel that Longmire is introduced by a much cuter girl.
SOBL,
just read the piece from Smith. she wants the chivalry from men but doesn’t say anything about what women will give back in return. cafeteria feminism, as usual.
@Twenty
My thoughts exactly. I thought the cute girl was her at first and then she walked on the stage. All I could think is “You have got to be kidding me”.
The “Faithful Women Wanted” article is also hamsteriffic.
“Old men looking for a woman who won’t cheat? How dare they!” This, when self-admitted infidelity rates are 57% in men and 54% in women. Give he anecdotal evidence that women deflate their partner counts, one wonders how accurate the assessment of female infidelity being less common is.
Male sexual jealousy is not something you can reason with. Just as with hypergamy, desires can’t be negotiated away.
One wonders if any of the female stable at TGMP have pondered the shoe on the other foot.
Amie Longmire strikes me as the type of academic who’d have a biracial baby that she’d raise alone, all the while thumbing her nose at “white male patriarchy” in her writings.
These Jezebel-for-Men sites are absolutely laughable. Imagine an “experts site” for women where a bunch of fat dudes in sweat pants write “expert” dating articles which are really just lists of demands. It would never fly, yet millions of schlubs line up for the female equivalent of this crap.
Is that a tranny?
@Spoos in august The article you talk about and the one Chuck links to go together very well. Woman with requirement ? cheered, men with requirements ? booed. Rollo has great article about this called “Qualities of the Prince”. http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/qualities-of-the-prince/
Well, she may be delusional, but she likes to cook and knit and sew, so she has proper feminine skills. And her kids are white. And while she’s a manjaw, she’s not a landwhale. Really, she could be a lot worse.
The reason men aren’t chatting you up, Ms. is that you don’t look like good material.
I hate to break it to you, your a 5 in the looks department. Since people of all genders can shallow and desire is a funny thing you need to work on the rest of you . Given the tone of the article you have a long way to go. The fact you have brains however has nothing to do with it and in fact its in you plus column, double if you like nerds which you probably don’t.
1. Seeing her gave me mild pangs of disgust. That’s the only way I can describe it.
2. I’d consider rescuing a puppy. Never men. She sounds like a real nice person.
3. I’m looking to spend my life with someone, possibly you, in such a way that when our lives merge, we are a force of nature the likes of which the world has never seen. This is a tall order, not for the faint of heart. Only dynamic characters should apply.
Suspend Godwin’s Law for a moment. This case obviously merits it. Replace a few words, and you have a Nazi. Don’t replace them, and you have the politically correct SWPL-Nazi hybrid.
For the lazy.
http://mosaicmusement.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Amie-web.jpg
http://dornsife.usc.edu/assets/img/news/story/890.jpg
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This world is delusional, and all it does is force people to be mean. If she wasn’t clucking orders about what men can do to be worthy of her, I don’t think people would go out of her way to tell her she was unfortunate looking.
LOL.
Flavia,
I definitely wouldn’t have said anything if she didn’t come off as if she was some catch. I don’t like attacking people based on their looks. Only when they pretend that they’re something that they aren’t do I feel the need to mention it.
She’s a 5 at best – gotta subtract for the obvious crummy personality. But then even homely girls can think themselves beautiful – if there is always someone that will fuck them. And, there are a lot of beautiful girls – who question their looks. It’s more than the lowest common denominator for them, not just that they can get picked up every time.
Looks like Chris Kaman in drag.
5 – maybe a 6 when she was 22.
she’s a universal 5 but an L.A. 3
A lot of men like to state very specific preferences of what they like in a woman. Surprising, the men I know who would be the hardest to get, don’t do this much.
Lara,
but even GMP wouldn’t and hasn’t published a post in which a man wrote about what a woman would have to do in order to date him. at least i don’t think they have published such an article.
Because female readers become enraged when they see those lists and the editor would get bombarded with angry letters.
A lot of men like to state very specific preferences of what they like in a woman. Surprising, the men I know who would be the hardest to get, don’t do this much.
LOL, probably true.
Unbelievable the entitlement on display here. The utterly fantastical self-delusion. She’s a dog. She looks like that deformed kid from the movie “Mask”. She writes a breathless list of criteria that she wants in a man and yet she’d be lucky to get a faceful of gynecomastia from a desperate manboob.
Delusional! In the south a smokin hot sorority girl with a big heart would say “well bless her heart” and attempt to make her over, then cry her eyes out when she failed. She’s a North Dallas 3.
Why do we get so upset with people who overly assess their mate value?
It isn’t the attitude she expresses itself (as you mentioned if she was very attractive there would be nothing to see here). I would say if she was overly assessing her value in another arena we would be put off, but not as strongly. Why?
Do guys who do this draw anger or smirks?
Any thoughts?
Thinking about it, it turns out I have the EXACT same list of items for women that want to date me!
How to Date Me: A Field Guide for Women
1. My first date expectations.
Sex. Unless you show me you’re worth waiting for.
2. I have a no drama policy.
So shut up, I don’t care what you’re feeling.
3. Reframing a successful relationship.
No, I’m not paying for your drinks.
4. Let go of your list.
I don’t care what you want me to be.
5. I am not an object.
But you certainly are until you prove otherwise.
6. Dynamic characters only.
No slacking off in bed. You’re expected to work hard.
7. Be a lady and treat me like a gentleman.
You think your foul mouth is cute. It isn’t.
8. Avoid a post date freak out.
Don’t expect to hear from me again.
Enjoy your cats Amie.
Yeah, she’s not ugly.. but she certainly feels her sexrank and SMP value is higher than it is.
She’s traded in humility for arrogance and pretending it’s confidence. It breeds delusion.
I expect her to be getting a Costco membership shortly to start buying kitty litter in bulk. I would certainly not try to date her, even BEFORE realizing she has ‘a list’ i need to qualify to.
Is anyone surprised that the Good Mangina Project would publish this literary diarrhea?
@M3
Yeah, she’s not ugly..
LOL! She’s ugly as fuck! What have you been smoking?
http://dornsife.usc.edu/assets/sites/1/imgs/news_events/2011/03/pen3.jpg
She’s not ugly but she’s not attractive either. Skinny fat, strange physique. She does not have near the bargaining power she thinks she does.
I expect her to be getting a Costco membership shortly to start buying kitty litter in bulk.
lol
Earth to amie, earth to amie, do you copy? You’re not worth it, so forget that cosmetics slogan. There’s a garbage truck driver/alcoholic here on earth who would be perfect for you! He’s your most realistic option. See you when you re-enter earth’s atmosphere, over.
I think all women have lists of things they want in a partner. It’s part of the fairy tale women have about men and love.
I’ll never forget the time Dana from Roissey’s blog wrote ” if a man isn’t fucking you or you aren’t sleeping with him, he has no need for you” what a slap across he face. Men when you fall in love are more romantic but women are more fantasy driven when it comes to love.
What the author and plenty of Americans are suffering from is too much of that sappy self help garbage. Barbara Ehrenreich has a book that I’ve been meaning to get around to that covers this topic. Not every marriage will read like something out of a romance novel just like not every job will be a dream career.
Sometimes work is just something that pays the bills and your spouse is the person who fills his/her part of the marriage contract.
Btw, I am a woman who loves romance novels ESP paranormal a because I like the idea of a fated mate and virgin male heroes.
* shrugs shoulders*
Kresley Cole FTW IAD
@Eric Stratton- I’m on your side. Don’t send dick pics. Most women see them as threatening furthermore, if the guy isn’t packing, it could turn him into an object of scorn. Plus mystery is good.
If you have a six pack send a girl a photo of you on the beach or at the pool. Try to have the photo look as natural as possible.
I was thinking for a second, “Oh Gucci is just being catty.” Till I saw the vid. Now I think you’re being charitable.
What applies here is the meme that’s been developed over at Heartiste’s and Roosh’s: don’t listen to what women say, watch what they do. How much do you want to bet that the men that made it into Ms. Cowgirl Boots’ pants followed a wildly different agenda than the one she’s laid out? How much you wanna bet they followed none of her “rules?”
Also, this reads more like a parody of a woman’s demands than the real thing. Maybe she’s auditioning for “Saturday Night Live?” (Kidding.)
Chic Noir why do you talk with these white boys. We want your explain.
@SOB1- Dude I just finished reading your “women” blog. Damn I really love it:) I think Sophia Loren and Raquel Welch are two of the baddest White women ever. 10s across the board.
In some blk&wht movies, Sophia Loren looks like a light skin Blk woman. Loren ‘s face is a masterpiece, those cheekbones, lips omg what a nice looking woman. There is a movie I watched with Loren and Tony Perkins that had plenty of close ups of Loren. I was so taken aback with the beauty of her face.
Promoting justice
This blog has a mixed crowd. Chuck has for the most part acted like a gentleman.
I’m sure all of you guys have a list inside of your heads for your ideal mates.If you don ‘t mind posting, I would love to read.
Chic Noir you fail to understand girl. There is a Struggle for Justice that will involve action in the name of anti racism and you are giving comfort to the enemy. white boy chuck is still a white boy.
Thanks Chic Noir. I am disgusted by the ‘look’ forced on the US public by the entertainment-fashion complex, but I wanted to keep those pics/vids off my normal blog because friends read my regular stuff at work. Comments are always welcome.
She is definitely ugly. The 4s, 5s and 6s being handed out are extremely generous. She has a caveman face. I bet she is irish. I have nothing against irish women but every white woman I’ve met with this kind of caveman face has been irish.
well, over at genderratic, I stated that I wouldn’t get seriously involved with a woman who was divorced or had kids. I’m never married and no kids (unlike creepster Hugo Scumbag Schwzyer I didn’t add-”not that I know of, tehe…”)
A feminist went apesh*t mad-how dare a male state he has preferences…..
I finally rephrased it as well, a non smoker (of either gender) may rule out a smoker…
she finally backtracked and was all like, well, I was only trying to give you advice on how to get laid….
funny how they want to be the “selector” sex….
if we pay attention to them, we are “harrassers” and when we don’t we are either closet cases, sexually entitled or seriously damaged…..
and people wonder why so many guys are going MGTOW…..
They let women post on good men project? What a bunch of retards? Fail site
chicnoir,
I already wrote it….
http://stonerwithaboner.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/male-hypergamy/
You people are being much too hard on her. First, she’s a writer so she’s going to go on and on trying to be clever. Second, she knows at her best she’s a handsome woman and that she is not very desirable to most men. So she’s going to compensate a little, bleh, who cares, indulge her.
She comes across as many women who’ve learned being smart isn’t going to get them a man, she seems like she’d probably be all right once a man takes her in hand.
She seems like she actually likes men, she doesn’t come off like that elevator atheist girl.
amend being smart to having a big career and all that, most men want a woman to be smart.
@SOB1 – you know I am a person who loves models but I don’t think actresses should be forced to look that way when it isn’t there natural body type. Plus most of the models of today, are much thinner than the 90′s supermodels. Gisselle Bunchen looked rather beefy when she walked Balenciaga a few seasons ago.
Somebody in Hollywood decided to remove the glamour of utterly good looking people and make most actors and actresses Ulta fit (the puffed up steroid look)or thin with average faces.
Even most of the top high fashion models now are rather odd looking in the face.
@SOBL1- if you want to see what we’ll built models looked like in the 90′s and late 80′s, check out a video of the Herve Lege fashion show from around 92-94. Tyra Banks and Yasmin Ghauri had BODY!
chicnoir: “What the author and plenty of Americans are suffering from is too much of that sappy self help garbage. Barbara Ehrenreich has a book that I’ve been meaning to get around to that covers this topic. Not every marriage will read like something out of a romance novel just like not every job will be a dream career. Sometimes work is just something that pays the bills and your spouse is the person who fills his/her part of the marriage contract.”
You know, you’re right, but I hope that’s never me. That’s why I’m here in the manosphere, to be more.
As for Longmire, I didn’t follow the link, but for a woman to assume what she thinks she wants is what other women will respond positively to, and thus is what men need to do to improve themselves, well we’ve certainly seen that before, nothing new about that.
Ok, here is my list guys …. Don’t beat me up.
My list:
1. Must have strong character, will not abandon me when the going gets tuff. I am absouloutley terrified of becoming a single mother. Too much work for one person and my kid will be emotionally stunted.
2. Height at least 5’5. I’m 5’9.5 & I come from a family of fall people on both sides, so being tall doesn’t impress me. To be honest, I kinda of like short men. *shrugs shoulders*
3. Most be good with money but not a grinch.
4. Must be attractive to my eyes.
5. Must treat me like I am made of glass, I like chivalry. * shrugs shoulders*
6. Must not have many tattoos. Preferably none, it’s becoming corny at this point folks. You look like everyone else.
7. Should not how to cook a few dishes for those days when I am not feeling well.
8. Be an optimist.
9. Like cats
10. *looks around shyly and shispers* likes to eat at the Y every now and then. * black girl blush*
11. Likes to travel( it’s the SWPL in me)
stoner: “I’m never married and no kids (unlike creepster Hugo Scumbag Schwzyer I didn’t add-”not that I know of, tehe…”)”
Yeah that’s one of my game pet peeves too. I KNOW I don’t have any I don’t know about, and I don’t think that overused trope is funny.
I think a lot of men don’t have ideal mate lists. She has to pass a certain threshold of to get to sex partner or girlfriend status, then he just wants to date a while and see how much we like each other.
Christians gonna christian.
In other words, “I really want to date a man to fulfill every single line item of an inflexible, take-it-or-leave-it bullet point list. However, most importantly, my ideal man must be dynamic and spontaneous…unlike well…me.”
Yeah, good luck with that, lady.
Being a teacher at a Christian university, fornicating (and especially blogging about it) is probably grounds for termination of employment. That, in addition to putting herself on a pedestal and expecting Mr. Prove Himself Worthy to climb a ladder of shit tests to attain her, makes me guess there won’t be any pussy without at least an engagement ring.
Having a list of desirable qualities in a mate is one thing. Stating that preference in a public forum for all the world to see and hear is quite another. This is where the problem comes in.
This reminds me of the adults I’d meet after church when my parents took me as a kid. They’d drone on about how much their BMWs cost to maintain, how high the private school tuition for their kids was, and how important their jobs were. Speaking openly about how fantastic you are is crass, tawdry and, unfortunately, a very American quality. It’s the brassy, American-ness of this woman that’s disturbing not the fact that she has preferences.
All that being said, I think Stoner With a Boner makes a significant point here. If one of us guys were to turn around and say “I prefer Russian women,” we’d get a raft of sh*t like he did about how we were “sexist” and “closed-minded.” Western women want to corner the market on preference.
Some women are worth a second and even a third looooong look.
Some unfortunate ones get a second look the way a bad car crash does – you just can’t not look at something that messed up. D:
And other women simply aren’t worth a second look. This is one of those.
As others have said, I normally wouldn’t comment negatively on someone’s personal appearance, but when they convey this warped sense that they’re “hot” when they’re not, they’re just asking for it.
LACK of self-esteem is not an issue in this country, rather an EXCESS of it is.
You guys are a bad influence. >:( I couldn’t help but leave her a reply:
> I will say, “I got it” when you hold a door for me or help me with my coat the first few times.
Do that, and a true gentleman won’t be around for you say it to a second time.
> If you wake up the morning after our date and wonder how it went or you’re doubting the effectiveness of a punchline or if something I said confused you
A guy with those worries should instead be concerned about the future “fun” Christmas sweaters he’ll be forced to wear and figuring out the best way to hold your purse for you.
Overall, I think a lot of men would reply, “Thanks for the warning, Amie”.
I left a comment, which I’m sure will get deleted. I’ve copied it here if you all don’t mind, because I think I make a larger point:
Is this a real article or an Oscar Wilde-like satire on what American women are like?
I’m having a hard time believing that the following sentences aren’t meant to be read in a high-pitched Victorian-inspired voice for a character whose motivation in life is “instructing” a parade of hapless suitors on the finer points of how to behave. Call it “The Impotence of Being Earnest.”
The scene: a well-appointed living room where are teacher holds court in front of a motley band of schlubby social misfits who seek her hand in courtship. Like the Iago character in “Othello,” she feeds them bad advice to further her own devious ends, which in this case include free dinners, out-of-style-boots (which draw a round of chuckles from female audience members), and kayaking lessons. The audience laughs uproariously at the most pretentious lines, such as:
” I need your help remembering these things.”
“If this first date eventually turns into a trip down the aisle, we will be unpacking our respective histories together for years to come.”
The fun really comes, though, as she wildly starts to gesticulate, raising her voice to an ear-splitting high pitch, while her minions — all sitting at her feet in criss-cross applesauce position — nod approvingly:
“This is a tall order, not for the faint of heart. Only dynamic characters should apply.”
“Good luck. I’m rooting for you.”
I want to applaud the author for devising a deliciously wicked parody of the type of self-deluded, entitled American woman that populates certain urban areas. This character is cleverly drawn because it is the female equivalent to the basement-dwelling gamer geeks who write on message boards about how Internet models don’t measure up. As for the author of this piece, I encourage her (or him?) to take it to the stage where it should be a hit with audiences for years to come.
Oh and if this one-act play seems kind of short for an evening out, I’d recommend putting it on a double bill with a musical: “Cats.”
Spoos: “One wonders if any of the female stable at TGMP have pondered the shoe on the other foot.”
Of course not, that would require actual thinking. Women love squawking about “walk a mile in her high heels buster!” but rarely see beyond their own tits.
lol, this thread was funny but true
My God, I wouldn’t fuck this chick with Obsidian’s dick. What an ugly cunt.
ed miller: I will say, “I got it” when you hold a door for me or help me with my coat the first few times.
Do that, and a true gentleman won’t be around for you say it to a second time.
Seems like for a lot of game-aware guys, that’s the male version of the shit test. Open the car door for her or something else not too cheesy for the context, and if she resists instead of accepting gracefully, she fails.
I found some more video of this woman or at least her doppleganger:
ChicNoir: 1. Must have strong character, will not abandon me when the going gets tuff. I am absouloutley terrified of becoming a single mother. Too much work for one person and my kid will be emotionally stunted.
OK, so good luck finding a nice liberal white dude that’s down with interracial marriage.
Relevant:
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/womens-standards-crumble-easily-given-the-right-incentives/
Camlost- I can find a Black, Asian or Latino man who fits the bill. I’m so so concerned with his race , although being with another Blk will be easier since we may share the same or similar culture and it’s more socially acceptable.
Chic Noir there are eligible Dark Black bachelors with the Soldiers of Justice. Give white boy chuck your email. We will pair you up.
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