I wanted to add something to the discussion over Rob Parker’s comments on Robert Griffin III being a “cornball brotha” – not being black enough, having a white fiance, etc. One piece of evidence for his lack of blackness that Parker didn’t/won’t cite is the fact that Griffin obtained a bachelor’s degree and is almost done with his Master’s degree from Baylor University. I won’t assume that Griffin had the most rigorous journey through the academic halls of Baylor obtaining a degree, but it fits with other indicators that he is of stronger than average character and substance. And this does not fit the stereotype for black players that Rob Parker expects of black-enough athletes.
Rob Parker mentions the outward examples of RG3′s lack of blackness and lack of being “down with the cause”. But why separate that from the other things that make RG3 who he is? Besides the education, we have the name. RG3 – the nickname – is a bastardization of a name which indicates a strong paternal line. He is the Third Robert Griffin. This is rare in general and especially rare in the black community. He knows his father, and his father knew his father, and, more importantly, the mothers involved respected their husbands to the point that they carried on the paternal namesake. That seems only trivial, but look back at Jalen Rose’s comments about the black players at Duke being Uncle Toms. Rose’s resentment, as he told it, stemmed from the fact that he didn’t grow up with his father while most of the Duke players did. For a documentary last year, Rose said:
“I was jealous of Grant Hill. He came from a great black family, congratulations,” Rose said. “Your mom went to college and was roommates with Hillary Clinton. Your dad played in the NFL, is a very well-spoken and successful man. I was upset and bitter that my mom had to bust her hump for 20-plus years. I was bitter that I had a professional athlete that was my father that I didn’t know.
I’ve been kind of fascinated by Griffin’s name because of what it so clearly represents. It is a direct affront to the accepted values of the black community. I’ve written before about the significance of the name:
I read a lot into RG3′s name – the ’3′ part is a proxy, to me, for a strong patrilineal line which I think is very important here. Compare his strong family name to increasingly common double-barrelled surname. Those names, just like the convoluted first names of many black athletes, are a function of growing up in households and neighborhoods with strong maternal influence. This does not translate well into the realms of men. RG3 is from a military family and probably knows how to interact with a group of men and not develop hurt feelings if he fails or is criticized.
So instead of Parker just dangling the argument that Griffin isn’t down with the cause or black enough, Parker should name the ways in which he is not. He named one – the white fiance. But that describes probably half the NFL. It’s not as if Griffin’s peers are the Muhammad Ali’s of their generation. There are no Jim Browns in the league today. So since they aren’t signaling their blackness with a clenched raised fist, how exactly are they supposed to signal that they are done for the cause? Blackness is then only communicated through style or stereotypical “black” behavior. What has Cam Newton done to show off his blackness? He allegedly stole a laptop from a student while he was attending University of Florida. He was accused of pay-for-play. What has Michael Vick done to show that he’s down? He fought dogs and served a stint in prison. To borrow from Jamie Foxx, how black is that? Black enough for Rob Parker.
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Is not about the near worthless human construct we call race…its about culture.
And you illustrated this point nicely.
Someone on the radio joked that the basketball player Dirk Nowitzki, he of the black wife and presumably European political views, was a “cornball white boy”.
I thought that was a nice little bit of satire.
Griffin also doesn’t “talk” black or “act” black, even when he’s talking with other black people. This pisses off quite a few of the black ex-atheletariat, who, as a matter of common practice, speak kind of white when interacting with other whites (say, on an ESPN panel), but effortlessly and seemingly gladly slip into black-speak, mannerism, interaction and so on when speaking directly with anotha brotha. Griffin doesn’t do this at all — not at all. He wasn’t raised to do so, he was raised kind of aloof from a lot of what black culture is, and that’s why so much of the black ex-atheletariat feels alienated from him to some degree. I don’t think they care about the fact that his future wife is his white college sweetheart, but the fact that he doesn’t get all brotha with them is alienating.
It was *exactly* the same with Grant Hill. Exactly. The. Same.
There’s some deep contradictions in this ESPN fool questioning Griffin’s blackness while voting for a half black President raised by Asian and white people who attended private schools + Ivies the first 25 years of his life.
It sounds like jealousy more than anything.
A black man married to a white woman is no less of a black man. It’s his children who won’t be as black.
Having a white wife alone is unrelated to black authenticity because that’s something every black guy wants. Stealing a Saudi prince’s Maseratti and driving it does not make one an Arab, a Muslim, or a member of SA’s royal family. It just means a waste of a good far from the perspective of its owner and a boon for the thief.
“Is not about the near worthless human construct we call race…its about culture.”
It’s only a human construct because the reality of race is so obvious easy to construct.
“It’s only a human construct because the reality of race is so obvious easy to construct.”
In fact, you have to work to not construct it.
When I was in the military, many–maybe even most–of the intact black families I knew had a son named after the father. Usually Jr or III, even IV (usually a little kid), though I never saw a V. It tended to be the NCOs (working class, descendants of slaves) not the officers (middle class, noticeable amount from immigrant families). It’s definitely reasonably common, I’ve certainly met far more black George Williams III than WASP Thurston Buffington III types. I think it’s an outright reaction against black family decay.
The bitterness that Jalen Rose felt is EXACTLY what feminists hoped for. It never used to be like this prior to 1960. But now, the vast majority of the black community is filled with men that absolutely hate people that have strong familial bonds. In a few decades, most WHITE men will feel as Jalen Rose felt.
The lack of fathers in the black community is a big problem. I dated a black girl and got to know a lot of middle class black people and even among them there is a father crisis. The effects are obvious and dysfunctional. All in all I have a hard time saying that blacks have it better today then in 1960. In the south perhaps, but given the absolute skyrocketing of the illegitimacy rate after civil rights is it really worth it if it costs blacks fatherhood?
In fairness I think this is black women’s fault more then black men. Black women think with their vagina to an incredible degree. They are not built for monogamy and are intensely attracted to thuggery and dominance. Black men are mostly giving them what they want. My own black girlfriend turned out to have been cheating on a man and her kids with me.
SOBL,
And as we have seen with Obama, he turns on and off his blackness when the situation calls for it. Insofar as Griffin doesn’t do that (I haven’t seen enough of him to know how he acts with whites versus blacks) he’s seen as a sell-out.
great essay and analysis chuck. yours is becoming one of my favorite blogs for high end thinking.
Surprised that no one has brought up whether he plays “black” or not. It’s a toss-up really b/c while he’s definiately elusive and running a lot, he also leads the league in QB rating and completion percentage (or is amongst the very top). That’s absolutely incredible for a rookie.
The black QB style simply does not work though as every single practitioner of the style has been a complete bust, e.g. Vick and Vince Young the most prominent examples.
@ soren
“It’s only a human construct because the reality of race is so obvious easy to construct.”
If the reality of race is obviously easy to construct, then please do so.
Thanks Riv. I appreciate that.
Race is an expression of common genetic ancestry. If that weren’t the case then mothers would bear children of random race — which has never occurred.
I came believe that I’m here explaining that 1+1 equals two.
@Chck – Obama = my multiracial frosh year roommate (black/white/american indian). Kid had a huge identity crisis, was a manic depressive, and would identify with whatever gave him an advantage at the moment. Black kids hated him for that on/off quality. I’ve never trusted Obama or liked his personality because of my freshman yr roommate.
@ PA
Your explanation that “Race is an expression of common genetic ancestry” is to “1+1=2” as “simplistic overgeneralization” is it “tautology.”
If I get some free time today I’ll educate you on the topic, but don’t count on it.
white boy bob davidson are you eracing the Black Man. You are telling these white boys here that Black Men and Black Women are a figment of imagination. Explain kindly. We can wait.
If the reality of race is obviously easy to construct, then please do so.
Ohhh boy, here we go. One of these guys.
white boy bob davidson are you eracing the Black Man. You are telling these white boys here that Black Men and Black Women are a figment of imagination. Explain kindly. We can wait.
That’s actually a good point from the fake black guy! Yes, Bob Davidson, go tell a black person there’s no such thing as race. And then try that on a Chinese or an Egyptian. In fact, try it on anybody anywhere other than a delusional white. It takes a lot of “education” to believe some really stupid things.
We assure you white boy peterike that Promoting Justice is Black.
Defining race by skin color without regard to culture, and embracing guys like RG3 as examples of black success would be disastrous for the left side of the culture wars.
First, it takes away their cultural bludgeon of accusing racism for inequality that arises from values.
Second, it may cause the culture wars to focus on outcomes instead of assumptions of equal cultural merit – and if it does, guys like RG3 also show that there is a superior set of values that drives success across generations. As an aside, compare how SWPLs conduct their own personal affairs versus the activities they condone or encourage in others.
Thus, he must be a “cornball brother.”
Coincidentally, this is also why they merely dangle his “cornballness” instead of explaining it; to supply details of the elements “authenticity” would let the cat out of the bag that they define blackness by the degenerate aspects of ghetto culture that keep the inner cities poor and on the Democrat plantation.
@youngreact
That’s a good point. I compare RG3 to Donovan McNabb, another black QB who played “black” early in his career but developed into more of a “white” style as he got older. That earned him a rather stern rebuke from the NAACP, but avoiding lots of unnecessary hits extended his career (and probably his life).
If you’re looking for a black QB who plays white, I think Seattle’s Russell Wilson is a perfect example. Josh Freeman of Tampa Bay comes to mind as well. For the opposite, the first names I think of are Tim Tebow and Steve Young.
-Are there physical differences in biology? Yes
-Do scientists use these physical differences to differentiate organisms? Yes
-Are the labels scientists use to differentiate living organisms with differing physical characterizations arbitrary constructions? Yes
-Is life a spectrum? Yes
-Is it inherently difficult to categorize and subcategorize, into distinct groupings, an ever-changing (evolving) spectrum of entities? Yes
OK, so you see what science is trying to do with labeling all that is life on this planet, right? It’s a very worthy and helpful (necessary, even) endeavor. But, the giving of names to things does not make them that which they are named. Things are different (and similar) in all ways that they are, and humans are doing the best they can to classify and identify these differences and similarities.
-In regards to humans, are there physical differences between individuals? Yes
-Are there physical differences between close family members? Yes
-Are there physical differences between populations of humans separated by time and geography? Yes
-Has natural selection been at work to mold a “best adapted type” of person for a given environment, thus creating variations in hair/eye/skin color, body type/proportion, etc.? Yes
-Aside from exterior physical traits, are there genetic differences among races? Yes
Examples? Sickle cell anemia (adaptation to fight effects of malaria), lactose tolerance/intolerance (tolerance developed after humans domesticated milk-bearing livestock), ability to effectively metabolize alcohol (sorry native Americans).
-Why are there differences in a common people, whose descent can be traced back to a single population? Because of selective pressures on their lineage based on specific environments their ancestors inhabited.
-OK, so its sounding like race is a pretty important thing, right? Yes
-Well, what are the most important human adaptations that set the human animal apart from all the rest? The brain/cognitive ability/passing along learned behavior to successive generations (culture).
-Is “the brain/cognitive ability/passing along learned behavior to successive generations (culture)” actually what we would use to define what a human being is (apart from say, hair/eye color/jumping ability, etc)? Yes
-Do humans have a pre-programmed (instinctual) culture? No
-Is there any environment that would select for a cognitively less capable human? None that occur naturally.
-So, are there differences between human races? Yes, just like in any family, we are not identical copies (twins notwithstanding).
-But race does not determine how someone will act, culture does? Exactly
-And stereotyping someone based on the wavelength of light their skin reflects is ignorant? Yes it is.
What is so ironic is that we are discussing RGIII who literally proves my point…and yet the ‘race determines behavior’ crowd looks right past that fact and wades in, both guns blazing.
***BTW, Russell Wilson is bi-racial. Just another phenomenon that makes categorizing the complexity of human behavior by race silly and counterproductive***
What happens when people of 2 (or more) races procreate? The end of the world!!!11!!one! Just kidding. Correct answer is heterosis.
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First Bob Davidson says that race is a social construct (ie, doesn’t exist as a biologocal reaity) only to then say that race is in fact an important biologocal reaity. Then he says that culture is important, which is a strawman because nobody says that it isn’t. But his claim that race does not naturally generate culture or form a predisposition toward ‘taking’ to soome cultures over others in the aggregate, is an unsubstantiated assertion. Then, he spits outcontent-free liberal anti-stereotyping boilerplate. As to “heterosis,” have a daughter and tell me how you feel about her heterosising.
My view on blacks and culture is that Africans in their original homelands and the diaspora will tend toward… reverting to Arica, absent external pressures. Reversion to Africa is marked by the most primitive forms of tribalism, violence, disorder, matriarchy, and r-selecting procreation. In other words, Detroit. An example of external pressures that keep blacks populations as a whole bent toward European cultural norms (lawful behavior, patrilineal families) is (a) Jim Crow, or (b) isolated and protected existence among an overwhelmingly large white majority.
Now, there is a non-trivial number of individual blacks who want to have the benefits of white culture and in fact aspire toward European-defined notions of personal excellence. It appears that RG3′s family is an example of that. I like to borrow du Bois’s term “the Talented Tenth.” to describe those black people, though in reality they are probably better described as “the talented hundredth.”
Those black people are a delicate black twig grafted onto a massive white tree, and as long as thier connection to and drawing of nutrients off that tree is uninterrupted, they will continue to thrive as a grafted unit.
But what happens to the Talented Tenth who are not nourished and protected by white society? See Haiti and its slaughter of the Mulattos immediately upon Frenchman’s departure. (And yeah, this comment is now beyond the scope of my earleir discussion wiht Bob.) This is the eternal black template: self decapitation.
Bakc to the Talented Tenth (who, incidently in many cases, like Dubois, have a significant amount of white genetic background) — another trope that can under some circumstances apply to them is teh term “tragic mulatto.” While the Talented Tenth are not literally biracial, they are culturaly white without the possibility of actually being white. They relate to whites who never fully accept them, while looking more like pure blacks to whom they can’t relate temperementally and intellectually. Hi Chic Noir!
Or really just “Hi” to every black person who posts in this sphere. They are not representative of the general black pupulation. They would not survive five minutes in a real black community.
But while “the tragic mulatto” has been a sympathetic characte in the past, as the word “tragic” suggests, that is no longer the case. With black liberation sixty years ago, the Talented Tenth (mulatto or straightt-black) is now a contemptible character, in their reliance on whites for their very existence while hating those same whites.
It wouldn’t be that hard to get along with talented tenth blacks if they weren’t constantly on the look out for racism. If I’m with someone, we need to be able to offend each other equally, not always have it be me who is wrong.
So where does culture come from?
What does it mean to be “reverting to Africa”? Is this a form of cultural instinct? And please, I respect the thought you’ve put into your position, and I don’t think you are being intellectually dishonest with your analysis…you know, working backward from a conclusion in order to come up with justification. But please, think about the mechanism of the “reverting to Africa” for a moment.
Look, I happily acknowledge the phonotypical and genotypical differences in the so called races. But, I also state that what differences there are can be considered immaterial to defining the individual characteristics that make up a human. I hold that culture is not instinctual; I hold that culturally, humans are tabula rasa at birth.
If you can come up with examples of how someone is hardwired for a given culture, please do tell.
Also, “the most primitive forms of tribalism” comment is disastrous. If it holds that there is no genetic component to determine one’s culture, then the culture that develops is a response to the environment of the population, right? Do you expect the culture of Elizabethan England or the American Gilded Age to naturally follow from the environment of the Serengeti?
That being said I don’t consider all cultures to be equal. No, I will happily and vociferously exclaim the superiority of western culture. I will stand behind the superiority of our capitalistic economic system. I will patriotically defend the West as the great city on a hill, the shinning light pointing the way for the rest of the world to follow as an example of what can be accomplished through self governance and the ideal of individualism.
Understand that you can’t expect to get here (western culture) from there (primitive cultures of pretty much everywhere else other than the Mediterranean and Asia) without some good fortune. In other words, if my ancestors (I’m of European lineage) came from Papau New Guinea instead of Western Europe, it’s unreasonable to expect the surplus of resources that would lead towards civilization that would lead towards individual specialization and ultimately western culture. It would be unreasonable because the part of the planet Papau New Guinea sits on (and the native plant/animal species the locals have to work with) requires somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 to 14 man hours per day just to achieve subsistence levels of nourishment. A lack of native plant/animal species that can be profitably domesticated guarantees continued hunter-gatherer practices.
It’s getting late so if I am to continue this conversation I’m afraid it will be at another time. I am interested in your take on instinctual culture. I’m also interested in how that would play out if we were to set up a human colony in a non-natural environment such as the moon, or 5 miles in the sky, or at the bottom of the ocean, etc. Would the children even have an inkling of the environment of their ancestors, if they were not informed of said environment through the tool of history? What of their culture? “Reverting to Africa” in the Sea of Tranquility?
@ K(yle)
Great question. I would love to explore that topic at length…another time.
Look, I happily acknowledge the phonotypical and genotypical differences in the so called races. But, I also state that what differences there are can be considered immaterial to defining the individual characteristics that make up a human. I hold that culture is not instinctual; I hold that culturally, humans are tabula rasa at birth.
The foundation of culture is human biology. To the extent that biology varies between groups, their cultures would reflect that. Racial groups arise from a clustering together of traits, some are uniformly applies, others less so. If a group has an increased propensity towards lower levels of future time orientation, then this will reflect itself in culture. We see this with gay people – with gays having fewer children than heterosexuals, they’re less likely to be engaged in estate planning and deferring present-day consumption. This reflects strongly in the greater emphasis gays put on living for the moment. Certainly there are exceptions to the this rule but that doesn’t invalidate the phenomenon.
Look at marriage culture which dominates in many parts of Africa where paternal uncertainty arises from the practice of marriage not automatically implying marital fidelity:
What is causing paternal uncertainty?
The physical attributes of race are far easier to quantify than the social attributes and behaviors certainly are subject to influence by conscious decisions, so cultures can be malleable, however all this points to is a weaker correlation between race/biology/custom rather than a direct refutation of the biology of race having any influence on customs.
You’re taking a Behaviorist approach here espoused by Watson:
The hypothesis check we can engage in on this question is pretty simple – we know that there is a genetic basis for some behavior that’s already been nailed down, so your position implies that all such behavior is uniformly distributed across all of humanity while K(yle)’s position implies that such traits would be subject to selection, drift and mutation within reproductively isolated population groups and thus the behavior would not be uniformly distributed across all of humanity. Your blank slate model is on a pretty weak foundation these days and I don’t share you confidence in the tabula rosa basis for culture.
If you really believe that culture is divorced from biology then please set up an experiment where you train 16 year old boys to find 84 year old grannies to be sex objects. It’s a frivolous example but it points to the gravitational draw of biology being the limiting factor on culture.
I read a sports’ blog almost daily, one for a particular NFL team. Unfortunately, the blog bogs down now and then with posters, black, who want to beat the drum of racism. I still read the thing because some of the posters really know football and because the comments from others tell me something about how they think about race.
For months now, some of the black posters have tried to stir conflict over the Griffin versus Luck thing. Since no Griffin versus Luck controversy really existed, they were frustrated. As the pre-season melted into the regular season, what was expected happened: both Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin proved themselves to be top-quality rookie qbs which any team would be fortunate to have.
Then, I noticed what seemed to be bugging the ones for whom race-baiting was common place, people who were always claiming Mike Vick or Donovan McNabb were unfairly judged by white America because they were black qbs. They were upset that the other posters, the non-blacks, were supporters of Griffin, that they enjoyed his style of play, that they wished him well, that it was good to see a once-proud team like the Redskins on the road to becoming a better team so that old rivalries, like the one they’ve always had with Dallas, would be rekindled and that the new qb was largely responsible for their bright future. (The blog is for a West Coast team, I’ll add.)
They became more caustic in their comments, about Luck (what’s not to like about Andrew Luck’s performance this year), about how whites feels about black qbs, the whole racist crap…for no reason. I wondered why and then it dawned on me: because the non-blacks on the blog really liked Griffin and praised his skills and his performance, the race hustlers could no longer shout “racist” when the subject of a black qb (Griffin) was brought up. They could always find someone who’d criticize Vick or McNabb, but not Griffin.
Roughly one half of the country can’t stand Barack Obama or think he’s not a good POTUS and as long as that rough one half is one half + 1, blacks are actually happy with that. They can find plenty of people who dislike the POTUS and who will criticize him and that suits them just fine because it gives them an opening (an illogical one, but they don’t care) to shout “racist.”
But Griffin? Hey, people like him, hope he succeeds. I suppose as the Redskins-Cowboys rivalry once again heats up, they can call Cowboy fans “racist” for pulling against RG, but for now, these black fans are frustrated.
I think it pisses some of them off that people other than blacks are rooting for RG and the don’t see him as “theirs.” How silly is that?
If RG had some rough games and criticism of his play were to increase, they’d be happy. They’d be happy that they could return to calling any critics of his “racists.”
Anybody recall how Kobe Bryant was considered to have no “street cred”? He spent much of his formative years in Italy and he didn’t speak “black.” However, LA fans and black players, Shaq their hero at the time, didn’t like Kobe. Advertisers were unsure of him hawking their product.
Kobe was quite a businessman, though. He learned. He began talking black and got himself some tattooes, and never looked back.
Bob Davidson,
you left out the cognitive differences between races…..”population groups, ” if you prefer. there is no disputing, after a very long time of psychometric testing, years of tests that are not culturally biased or biased by language, that fairly substantial differences exist among the groups we call Asians, whites, blacks, Hispanic, AmerIndian, etc. and yeah, differences between male and female too.
@Bob Davidson:
I think your behaviorist view of a tabula rasa at birth might have had some credibility 30-40 years ago but isn’t taken seriously anymore outside of sociology deparments nowadays. The amount of evidence against that assumption in fields such as linguistics, developmental psychology, social psychology, genetical anthropology and neurobiology is vast and ever increasing.
That being said, I’m not at all convinced that it’s the “fate” of black people to regress to Africa due to their genetics. How could we claim such a thing based on 50 years of “freedom” in the post-colonial, post Jim Crow world, when at the same time the West itself (and it’s white populations) has seen a steady decline of virtuousness, morality, ingenuity etc. during that time?
I think what the evidence suggests is that, by and large, the more “fluid” the rules and morals of a society become, the more intelligent people who can navigate the obstacles of these societies can thrive and the more the less intelligent who make stupid decisions will fall behind and suffer.
What exactly causes different cultures to appear in the first place is a much more tricky question. But examples such as the GDR vs. the FRG and North vs. South Korea show that culture matters A LOT. I think one can safely assume that a people with an IQ of 85 won’t come up with the same culture than a people with an IQ of 105 though. Biology could be a necessary, though not sufficient condition for high culture.
Speaking of Cornball Brothas I guess Blake Griffin undoubtedly qualifies, white motha, home schooled (that doesn’t qualify as a homey however LOL)
I think any black athlete who isn’t on a fast track to bankruptcy and jail after his sports career ends isn’t “real”.
These colleges, which are nothing more than minor league teams for NBA, NFL,( I’m thinking SEC in particular) should at least put these guys thru anti-fleecing courses, to give them a fighting chance.
Warren Sapp don’t have no corn on him, son of a single motha,after an all star career where he was hit with numerous unsportsmanlike penalties (which he likened to slavery) he fathered 6 kids with 5 mothas (the one he married gets 60K a month the other 4 only get a total of 15k), one domestic abuse charge (dropped) and is, of course, BK. In spite of his numerous bad-boy violations he has appeared on numerous TV shows. Now I’d say he’s a more appropriate role model for disadvantaged black youths than guys like the Griffins!
They relate to whites who never fully accept them, while looking more like pure blacks to whom they can’t relate temperementally and intellectually. Hi Chic Noir!
Haha, well PA I’ve got some bad news for you son. I grew up in the hood, as did Obsidian aka my uncle Mu but a good number of Blks who come thru these parts are indeed from blk middle class areas or white suburbs.
Here’s the thing, I can handle myself in the hood among most people no problem. I seem to get along easily with people. Most people seem to like me or are indifferent to me at worst .
The thing I watch for is that WSHH crowd. When I see them roll thru a joint, I get low and high tail it out of a place. I don’t want any bullets to hit me because some dude stepped on another’s sneakers or someone wants 15s on Internet fame.
For the record, most Blk people try to avoid the WSHH crowd. Why do you think there is always a smattering of Blks in White clubs and bars. Cause we know all it takes is for a group of ten to ruin a good time for hundreds. So we rather be in places were we are safe.
As far as RG3 having a White fiancé and not being Blk… Do you guys have any idea of how White women have been with Blk guys… Esp young White women. Taking on the BBC is like a rite of passage now.
I never cease to be shocked by the Black men who move their White girlfriends into the hood. Like WTF are you kidding me???? A man is suppose to upgrade your situation not move you into America’s internal third world country. What woman with options would want to live and birth a child into such awful circumstances.
What’s really crazy is I’m starting to see more Black men with Azn women, like really??? You gonna let him move you into the hood??? If your parents were immigrants, do you think this is what they wanted for you??? Work smarter not harder.
Your boyfriend is covered in tattoos, how can he support you and a child? You are “hustling backwards” honey.
I’m get truthful with y’all, I thought I understood my own gender but now I’m not so sure.
Some of these young girls (of all races) are out here sport fucking for nothing. Even intentionally getting themselves in bad relationships. 16 year old girls have done things sexually with random men that their own great grandmothers haven’t done with the men they married who put a roof over their head.
If any of you have a daughter, please take care of her. Please make sure she knows you love her. You or your wife will have to cut back on hours worked so you can spend some time with her.
But don’t working class and middle class whites get jealous of people like Paris Hilton and like those Wealthy WASP been here since the Mayflower folks?
People like RG3,Grant Hill and Condoleza Rice have the sort of parents who make healthy well adjusted adults(for the most part). Like Griffen,I would be mad if my parents fucked me over.
I don’t begrudge Griffen being jealous or maybe envious. I when I was a teenager, I was walking past one of those grand town homes on the UES when a tween opened the door for the mailman. My first thought was, does he know how lucky is( the tween). His parents are flushed. The world is his oyster, unless he suffers from bad health, he has no idea how hard things are for most Americans.
Making 30k and having a trust fund for 10million is very different from making 30k and having a mortgage plus10 thousand in credit card debt and 50k in student loans.
Why oh why does this myth of widespread African matriarchy survive. I know there are Black Africans who lurk here. Will you all please speak up about this nonsense. You all are completely lost when it comes to Africans esp how well they perform here and in Great Britain.
I remember linking to a comedy skit once from England about the African mother sterotype very similar to the Asian mother stereotype. Too bad I can’t link now.
I agree with Chic Noir that Parker’s attack on RG3 for the white fiance was weird, given how the “I made it” white wife has been a staple for 30 years now. Where was this guy when Bryant Gumbel left his attractive black wife for a younger white chick? Tiki Barber recently, Reggie Jackson + OJ Simpson in the ’70s, and “fill in the blank” athlete/entertainer who made it after 1965. Parker was desperate for material and sought something that was not part of the tradition (otherness).
Chic noir, young white women have moved from dating blacks as the cool new thing to having a girlfriend while in college. Ten years ago in school, I could name a handful of ‘edgy’ girls who dated black guys, but only one who dabbled if Sapphic love. Now it’s reversed listening to my college age relatives’ stories. Seems like all of my cousins girlfriends or friends are bisexual and many have had one girlfriend. My guess is S&M becomes the next trendy thing in the 2020s for 20-something white women; they will have been teens during the Twilight abusive love triangle crap and 50 shades fad.
PA quote :
who want to have the benefits of white culture and in fact aspire toward European-defined notions of personal excellence.
Correction : Western European-defined. Poles have, throughout history, proven to be far less capable than Western-Europeans and certainly Protestants, both centuries ago (as measured by empire building) as well as today (as measured by per-capita prosperity).
Don’t get me wrong – Poles are fine people, certainly much move civilized than blacks. But your transparent attempts to take credit for the success of a civilization distinctly more successful than yours (and as someone else said, Poles are the Mexicans of Europe, doing the jobs that Germans, French, Brits, and Nordics don’t want to do), reeks of insecurity that radiates from all white nationalists. Furthermore, it is pretty well known that white nationalists have black IQs. And I say this as a white who is a race realist, which is quite a different thing from a white nationalist.
Your response to this will be even more insecure, I’m afraid. You continue to reject the assistance you sorely need, from those of us who want to help you.
@SOB1- Now I am begging to understand why once upon a time people in this country regulated the movies, gambling,music ,and books available to *the public. Human beings struggle with self control esp things that appeal to their lower selves.
*Too bad we never did that with junk food and sugary drinks.
Since we are ‘stuck’ with black people, I think the only solution is for black genes to be diluted down via breeding. I wish that white plantation owners did this back in the day..
Women who are 25-50% black (the rest being white) are quite pretty. All the negatives of black dysfunction and female unattractiveness vanish once the black ancestry percentage drops to 50% or lower.
Getting the black genetic base in America down to the point where people who are under 50% black are the majority, and over 50% black are a shrinking minority, would do wonders for crime rates, dysfunction, female attractiveness, and the destruction of the left-wing vote base, that exists today due to blacks.
Since we are stuck with them…. this is the only way out.
“Having a white wife alone is unrelated to black authenticity because that’s something every black guy wants.”
Yeah, yeah, yeah —— and every working-class white east-European immigrant here wears cheesy silk shirts, cheap jewelry and frequents sleazy discos where Rod Stewart songs reign supreme.
youngreact said at 12/15/2012 at 12:00 pm:
“I M Surprised that no one has brought up whether he plays “black” or not. It’s a toss-up really b/c while he’s definiately elusive and running a lot, he also leads the league in QB rating and completion percentage (or is amongst the very top). That’s absolutely incredible for a rookie.”
Well, he doesn’t lead in QB rating, he’s behind Rodgers and other more traditional QB’s, particularly in completion percentage too… i’m all for RG3 being who he is and becoming a possible template for contemporary young black males, etc. ——- but I don’t think his style is particularly effective and long-lasting in terms of being NFL durable.
Primarily, the problem in my opinion is his collegiate style of play ——: pass-run-option offensenses mean the QB holds the ball much longers, runs much more often, and, in general, is incredibly more vulnerable in terms of becoming defensive prey on each play; I mean, Tebow and other star collegiate qb’s could pull that mess and still make intact into the draft. But pro DE’s are not collegiate DE’s,. and sooner more than later, these Tebows and RG3′s are going to be destroyed on the field if htey keep running and holding the ball as much as their current offensive schemes call for.
Of course, all QB ‘s in the pros are vulnerable to injury, but RG3′s particular curent injury is a direct result of that aforementioned style of play.
As for the racial bona fides applied or taken away to RG3? I think they and that ESPN lament are ridiculous; I like what ESPN analyist and Philly Inquirer columnist Steven Smith said off the record about RG3 detractors: “Fuk them’ and stick to critiquing just his performance.’
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