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“And the fact is that I would actually rather die by shooting than live armed.”
Well, good for you, you worthless piece of shit.
Re: #4
I had to immediately close out of that article, I was so disgusted by that… thing in the picture. It should be thanking the gods that any man is willing to even speak to it to ask its credit score.
Has Coates ever written that he is gay?
saying that Coates is gay is way too simple. being a hardcore proponent of self-annihilation is much worse than being gay or effeminate. i can understand being squeamish around guns – i am to an extent as well. but being squeamish about protecting yourself or placing a bet on yourself that you can protect yourself and your family? only a liberal pussy would try to justify such an instinct.
4. Straight out of the bogus trend story playbook. Open with an anecdote, then the nebulous unscientific survey, quote from an expert irrelevant to the thesis, weasel wording about the increasingly uptrend of more so than in the past, cue the second anecdote, plugs for related websites, fill in some peripheral facts and figures, another anecdote and second irrelevant expert quote, return to first anecdote for the finish.
I feel embarrassed that I ever had any respect for these sites.
Coates has a womanly attitude of preferring to be a victim to someone in control.
What little I read of him, which is what you’ve cited on this blog, comes off as gay. Now, there is a self-annihilation pathology recognized among many male homosexuals, as manifested by “bug chasing” for one.
Alternately, you may have mentioned that he was raised by adoptive white parents. Am I remembering this right? That too can produce a dislocated and maybe then a self-loathing person.
Now, all that speculation could be bunk and Coates might just be out-leftieing other lefties to get a one-up within the subculture by writing an even more precious, even more “sensitive” opinion piece.
Lara is on a roll today. This is the second one-liner observations that carries a whole paragraph’s worth of text.
Coates is a Black Man
by this very factoid he is more masculine then the vast majority of white boys
You back in Action Anti-Racist brah. We are with you.
Apparently the school Obama’s daughters attend has eleven armed guards. Obama is a liberal and is obviously not opposed to using deadly force to defend his family.
Comics just reflected fears of the age. Space and nukes were the fears of those days. Spider man was bit by a radioactive spider. Fantastic 4 and Hulk were cosmic radiation.
I’m guessing he doesn’t have kids.
he has a kid.
1) I think his thinking is similar to some people’s views of alcohol. Some people can’t take any alcohol at all; it’s too dangerous to them. He doesn’t trust himself with a gun. Maybe he’s right about himself. I don’t know him.
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2012/12/dear_prudence_letter_follow_ups_in_2012.html
A link from Slate’s dear Prudence column.
There is so much hate in the comments section for that dad. It’s over the top ridiculous the way people hate that guy. It’s not like killed or raped someone. He just has a preference for white children. A sanctimonious bunch over there.
The original column is here:
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2012/11/dear_prudence_can_i_request_that_our_egg_surrogate_be_white_though_my_wife.html
“I would actually rather die by shooting than live armed.”
Great, now quit trying to force this immoral and contemptible philosophy on everyone else.
Emily Yoffe looked at Morpheus and said, I’ll have two if the blue ones please.
Back when I actually read dear prudence, I got curious after one particularly egregious olumn and looked at her history on Slate and she’d written a dozen Double X articles in the year previous to that. I.e., she has to keep ranks with the likes of Amanda Marcotte and Hanna Rosin. This guy’s mistake, was asking for Yoffe’s advice on anything.
Last Thursday’s Prudie was hilarious as well. A woman wrote in who’d been impregnated by a fling with a dark triad dude and Prudie told her NOT to hit him up for child support – too risky! How quickly these confident, educated feminists roll over in submission for a man who doesn’t follow the beta script!
Another letter was about some gross old hags who kept steering the conversation to “50 Shades of Grey” – had these been men, Prudie would have called out the Creep Police and demanded a restraining order against them, but since these are old WOMEN she just tried to make some lame jokes about it that showed she’d read the book.
Not sure if Coates really believes the crap he’s spewing, or if he’s just trying to get whites to self-disarm so they can be eliminated more easily.
I understand him and where he is coming from. Most Americans eat meat raised by people like myself without ever thinking about how it comes to be upon their plate. The excoriate me for doing the part they would rather not think about. In fact, the same could be said about any type of work these days- people want the perks and benefits and income, but not the “jobs Americans won’t do” and so justify to themselves that the dolts who do should subsidize them.
I have been in combat and seen men die and it is no more disturbing than watching a steer slaughtered if you understand the cycle of life. Things live, things die, new life emerges from the dissolution of the old so nothing is ever lost, but our sentimentality creates a fantasy world that lives outside of the Natural order. Humans, at least the ones I encounter in the U.S. have for the most part lived apart from the natural world for so long that they no longer understand that they are part of it. Humans are special, they think. We aren’t animals with life cycles and species driven dynamics, we are part angel, part silicon chip SUV’s (of the latest make and model) who exist on a plane above all other common life on Earth. Mr. Coates simply gives voice to that belief system with his comment about dying by gunshot as opposed to living with a gun. If his logic were to carry through to the rest of his adult behavior he would invariably prefer to die in the wide open rather than to live with a hammer, starve to death rather than slaughter a chicken, etc.
I have no idea where we are heading as a nation and don’t spend much time thinking about it- wherever it is we wind up however will almost certainly land us well within the confines of a world based on Nature’s script rather than our own and it is likely that there will not be a lot of Ta Neishi Coates’ hanging around the fire to comment about how we came to be there…
@poet farmer,
I agree that most Americans are disconnected from the natural world, but your comparison between human death in combat and butchering steers is melodramatic. I’ve helped my father butcher cows, pigs, and illegal deer. My mother butchered chickens. My brother traps beaver. It’s all kinda ordinary.
Giving Coates the benefit of the doubt, he might be voicing a refusal to “live like that”, a thought that I share. I won’t live a lifestyle of fear. If I rationally felt my safety was in peril, I’d move before I’d carry a gun.
You’re safety is always in peril. People fall asleep at the wheel, trip down a flight of steps, swim out a little farther than they should, etc. Death by gun represents less than 1% of the fatalities in this country so statistically speaking it seems to be much ado about nothing.
And while I would of course mourn the loss of some human life, most especially the closer the relationship- I’m not inhumane- what I meant by comparing human death to that of an animal is that we are no different in our nature, living organisms on their way to decay and rot. Life and death are inextricably linked and most humans don’t really grok this. We believe, quite literally, that if science could come up with a way to grant us immortality it would benefit mankind and be considered a blessing.
Mr Coates is disingenuous, though I doubt intentionally. He doesn’t want to live in a world where he has to carry a gun, slaughter a pig, dig a ditch, but he does want to live in one where others are willing to do those things for his benefit. All the while condemning them for their efforts, of course.
Just sayin’.
@poet farmer,
you always write as though Mr. Coates or some other strawman denigrates you for the s**t on your boots. This happens in your own mind.
jz,
you’d move before you’d own a gun? what about if you can’t just afford to move, or if you’re tied to a certain geographic area or a larger city? all of that is a liberal justification for the deep fear of guns which is an even deeper fear of yourself. i really do think that liberals believe that the gun has some magical ability to force the gun holder to turn the gun on themselves and fire it into their face.
@CR, I would never “live like that” in fear. If I could not reasonably run, work, shop, garden, or walk the neighborhood in safety, than I’d move to a safer geography. If I felt the need to buy a gun, I’d consider that a signal to move. I’d really loathe to carry a gun. Not having the financial or work options? I don’t know.
Do liberals fear guns because of their fear of suicide? I think it’s more their rational distanc from any real threat of guns.
I’ve gone full circle on this. As a child, my father cleaned his rifles on our kitchen table. He shot deer to fill the freezer. No big deal. Then my cousin was shot dead by his girlfriend, and in my work life I’ve seen the intended homicide/suicide end of gunshots. They cause more harm than good, but as you’ve mentioned, all these statistics are incomplete. Everyone rationally evaluates their own protection/peril equation and in 2012 we’ve tipped to the point where more Americans decide that guns are more protection than peril.
You miss the entire point. Your ability to move and live ‘safely’ is the byproduct of men with guns willing to do violence on your behalf.
In a world where no one is willing to point a gun at others that wish to do you harm, then you would be required to do it yourself. You emphatically do not support an environment without guns if you support a situation where you can just pack your bags and move to a new ‘safe’ community.
If there are people that wish to victimize you and would require you to have a gun for protection then there has to be some mechanism to simply stop these people from moving to greener pastures with more suppliant victims incapable of defending themselves.
There are mechanisms in place, and mostly they are the armed police that stop bands of hoods from roaming freely in white neighborhoods. In your new “safe” community no doubt like all safe communities in America that don’t rely on armed private security there is a high rate of gun ownership, meaning you wish to benefit from the herd immunity of being the sole unarmed member of an armed community which deters victimization of members of that community.
You choose to benefit from people willing to do violence on your behalf while taking no responsibility for contributing to that benefit personally and trembling in disgust at the prospect of having to do so, which is exactly the farmer’s point, and it goes completely over your head.
@Kyle,
No, I do not miss the point.
The ongoing conversation in my city is the surprising very LOW number of police officers employed and in service at any point in time. I expect nothing from them. If I felt the need to buy a gun, I’d consider that a signal to move.
@Kyle, enjoying herd immunity. Yes. that’s me.
jz, while you were gathering these various signals about moving, you would still not then purchase a gun – an insurance policy – *just in case* someone tried to enter your home?
We are reading and laughing at white boys beaten in logic by own white female. Stupid racists We will do you a favor here is some advise. Listen to your white female jz and lay down your arms. She knows submission and urges her sons to submit too.
@CR, could I envision some extreme scenario whereby I would temporarily buy, and practice use of ,a gun? yes.
Back to Kyle’s point of some citizens 1) enjoying herd immunity, while also 2) having disdain for those who provide the immunity.
I appreciate his point.
“I’m pretty clear that I am going to die one day. That moment will not be of my choosing, and it almost certainly will not be too my liking. But death happens.”
Even if that was a good point, that’s not the only thing that can happen to you. You could get shot in the spine and have to spend the next 30-40 years in a wheelchair. You could get tied up and tortured. You could have to watch while your wife gets sexually assaulted. Those aren’t things that just happen to everybody one day.