From Smithsonian magazine:
Arber Tasimi is a 23-year-old researcher at Yale University’s Infant Cognition Center, where he studies the moral inclinations of babies—how the littlest children understand right and wrong, before language and culture exert their deep influence.“What are we at our core, before anything, before everything?” he asks. His experiments draw on the work of Jean Piaget, Noam Chomsky, his own undergraduate thesis at the University of Pennsylvania and what happened to him in New Haven, Connecticut, one Friday night last February.
It was about 9:45 p.m., and Tasimi and a friend were strolling home from dinner at Buffalo Wild Wings. Just a few hundred feet from his apartment building, he passed a group of young men in jeans and hoodies. Tasimi barely noticed them, until one landed a punch to the back of his head.
There was no time to run. The teenagers, ignoring his friend, wordlessly surrounded Tasimi, who had crumpled to the brick sidewalk. “It was seven guys versus one aspiring PhD,” he remembers. “I started counting punches, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Somewhere along the way, a knife came out.” The blade slashed through his winter coat, just missing his skin.
At last the attackers ran, leaving Tasimi prone and weeping on the sidewalk, his left arm broken. Police later said he was likely the random victim of a gang initiation.
After surgeons inserted a metal rod in his arm, Tasimi moved back home with his parents in Waterbury, Connecticut, about 35 minutes from New Haven, and became a creature much like the babies whose social lives he studies. He couldn’t shower on his own. His mom washed him and tied his shoes. His sister cut his meat.
Spring came. One beautiful afternoon, the temperature soared into the 70s and Tasimi, whose purple and yellow bruises were still healing, worked up the courage to stroll outside by himself for the first time. He went for a walk on a nearby jogging trail. He tried not to notice the two teenagers who seemed to be following him. “Stop catastrophizing,” he told himself again and again, up until the moment the boys demanded his headphones.
The mugging wasn’t violent but it broke his spirit. Now the whole world seemed menacing. When he at last resumed his morality studies at the Infant Cognition Center, he parked his car on the street, feeding the meter every few hours rather than risking a shadowy parking garage.
“I’ve never been this low in life,” he told me when we first met at the baby lab a few weeks after the second crime. “You can’t help wonder: Are we a failed species?”
I don’t know, I think I’d ask different questions and I don’t think that, if I were a scientist, I’d indict the entire species based on the actions of a few specimens. For example, did Tasimi notice that he was not himself an example of the failed species? His peers and family and the doctors that helped him, were they failures? From there, he could maybe connect other dots.
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Carry a gun. Shoot on sight.
Of course these children are just a result of the NRA-redneck gun culture.
It’s because grad students can live in a bubble where most everyone is articulate and usually well-inclined toward his fellow man. The world outside that bubble is an unwelcome reminder that St. Augustus was right about humans’ moral propensities.
We’re not a failed species, as there are still lots of us around, but I’m not sure how optimistic to be about the long game.
“You can’t help wonder: Are we a failed species?”
That’s an opening so big you can fly a 747 through it. But he won’t figure it out.
The mugging wasn’t violent but it broke his spirit. Now the whole world seemed menacing.
I don’t know how much of this is authorial embellishment and how much of this is a statement of fact. Probably mostly the latter. My take on this: if you embrace something as being Good and True and that ‘something’ turns on you, it is psychologically devastating. This is why George Zimmerman looked so broken during his ordeal. He had been a lifelong Liberal and a benefactor to blacks, and then blacks and the liberal establishment had turned on him. Communistswho were sacrificed in Soviet purge trials had similarly been psycholoically obliterated and incapable of self-defense after being called’counter-revolutionaries.
“How sharper than a serpent’s tooth it is to have a thankless child” cried King Lear. SImilarly, a mugged liberal’s world is turned upside down when the Good and True ‘teenagers’ stomped him. And mind you, it’s a ‘you had to be there’ kind of thing, A pack of malevolent teenagers don’t just beat you up. It’s not that clean and clinical. They also jeer, goofaw, chortle, whoop, and make freakish jungle shrieks.
Since most of us are Red Pill on race, to us getting beat up by a pack of black teenagers woudl be somethign that sucks, but it would not destroy our ego and shake our relatioship with reality.
I can’t say I feel sorry for Mr. Tasimi, but I hope he has learned something, even if he never admits it to himself, much less others. And that guy must truly have been clueless. He went to UPenn and had no idea of how blacks behave?
If an animal species is failed because members fight, I can’t think of a successful one. Maybe he thinks we humans should be held to a different, more demanding standard because we are more privileged with our minds. It’s like white guilt taken to the next level.
At least he wasn’t a Malcolm X scholar.
I don’t think his sprit is broken and I doubt he’d find me menacing. He just doesn’t trust young, black men, who are strangers, anymore. Big deal.
Now, what is a race-realist or even a WN were stomped by skinheads in Russia? If the race-realist/WN victim had a conservative (in the broad sense) understanding of human nature as fallen, then he would not have had a sentimental view of skinheads or any other militant young men to begin with. He woudl have understood young men in volatile habitats to be potentially dangerous, regardless of his political amity toward them. Thus, the ‘betrayal’ woudl not have been as shocking. He’d probably just be kicking himself for being careless.
The problem with anti-racist/liberal victims of black stomp-downs is that pretty much all of them fail to be honest with themselves as to the nature of the “Brahmin-Dalit” alliance of elite/aspiring whites and underclass blacks. Ratheir than seeing them as an important but potentially dangerous ally, they have a sentimental view of blacks as their grateful, needy pets.
Both my cousin and I were trusting liberals and were stolen from by people we believed we could trust. Both me and him experienced hurt feelings beyond the anger of being stolen from. I took it more personally than I should have.
Hoodies, all of them. Gang initiation in Philly. Headphones near home. I think we know exactly who these people were. One wonders why Tasimi just didn’t categorize blacks. We know he is not opposed to categorization, after all he wanted to damn the whole human species. Why not focus on the the particular group . . . whether that be blacks, young men, or guys who where hoodies.
I have to admit that when these things happen to guys like Tasimi and Yglesias, I feel good inside. Because these people are suffering the consequences of their own actions. I have no doubt Tasimi believes in “white privilege” and the m/f wage gap myth and increased welfare (incentives) for the parasites of society all the while looking down on the founders and police and working class whites as his lessers. I hope more shit like this happens. Ten years ago I wouldn’t. But I don’t feel like we are in this together any more as a country. You got everyone balkanizing and people like Tasimi and Yglesias incentivize it. Fuck them.
Lara, there is a scene in Les Miserables (a movie version I saw in the late 70s) where a pauper is invited to a kind rich man’s house and is fed, bathed, clothed, and taken care of. Being poor, he steals the rich man’s silverware and is later caught by the gendarmes with the loot. The cops drag him to the rich man’s house, who in turn tells the officers that the silverware was a gift. The pauper is shocked by his betrayed benefactor’s kindness and devotes himself to a life of virtue (as I recall from the movie anyway).
Alas, naive, liberal Christians use that template of innate human goodness and apply it to a world in which many people are bad. I talked about this when a young man named Carter Strange was stomped by blacks and his parents were strong-armed by Matt Lauer into rapidly “forgiving” his assailants. Odds are strong that the stompers did NOT break down in tears at this generosity and devote themselves to a life of virtue. If they were cognizant of the ‘forgiveness’ at all, they just took it a license to stomp more white people.
Chuck, this being the year’s end, I just wanna say that I really like your writing. Whenever you post somethign, you go beyond complainign about the news or the liberals. You go a step farter and try to understand the mechanics therein and logic-check the offical narrative by offering a stronger counter-narrative. All good bloggers do this. Understanding somethign and implicitly seeing a way forward is somethign good alt-righ bloggers do. You, Heartiste, Auster, Sailer, and several others (including Firepower, Ryu, and otehrs) do this consistently. In contrast, many others leave things at grumbing. I’m thinking Mangan’s blog, though I could be very unfair to him, as I visit there rarely. Also AmRen news round-ups. That kind of whining, complaining “things suck” posting without constructive analysis, humor, or ideas moving forward is ennervating. So here’s to a new year.
It was silverware that was stolen from me and I did forgive the person without getting the silverware back. So maybe I have now inspired someone to live a life a good virtue.
My cousin is a midwestern farm boy who moved to Manhattan. One of his first days there, a man came up to him and gave him a big sob story asking to borrow $300, and he would pay it right back. My cousin lent him the money and the man never returned. I know my cousin was upset about it for a while. He still pretty trusting, though.
At least he wasn’t a Malcolm X scholar.
lmao
Bubble is right. After a while at Yale, he’ll figure out why it takes zero students to change a lightbulb at Yale. New Haven looks better in the dark.
The commenters on this site read human nature better than this grad student. I loved how he thought in grad student terms “stop catastrophizing” what anyone with common sense would say was situational awareness.
This graduate student was a fool. He lives in a little bubble. He may have a PhD, he may be very smart. But all it takes to reduce him to a corpse is a teen with a baseball bat.
He neglected physical preparations. He thought that developing his mind was enough. Others would protect him and he would spend his time only studying. You cannot outsource your security to others.
Think of the modern police state: their surveillance cameras, full battle armor, AR15s, APCs. None of that protected him. They will never find those perps. Yet as a liberal, he supports the disarming of normal people and the militarization of “special people” like cops and Obama’s protectors. He is a useful idiot for The Beast. He toys with a meddling speciality while others have their hands on the levers of power.
Jesus, I got stomped, ripped off and rolled multiple times in middle and high school and I was a wussy semi-goth otaku nerdling back then. Even I reacted with more balls than this guy. He’s not even pissed… just pissing himself.
Are we a failed species? No.
Are blacks a failed species? Yes.
that dude is a fucking pussy and deserves to life his life in fear.
it is his choice to be a creature of fear.
There is no mention of race in this story, unless I missed it. Should someone point this out in the comments, or are they moderated? In the larger sense, is what’s killing media the fact that this is not discussed in stories but can be mentioned here on blogs? I mean, whatever race you are, it helps to know what race perps are so you can avoid them. I don’t see mentioning that as racism.
This writer is married to one of the Atlantic editors, so she’s something of media royalty. She also worked for the Baltimore Sun.
The cover of the Smithsonian magazine of course shows a white baby as the devil himself.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/issue/January_2013.html
While blacks clearly committed the violence described in the magazine, it is much better to portray an innocent white baby as Satan, because, well…
I used colorful language as a cancelled my subscription.
@PA:
My take on this: if you embrace something as being Good and True and that ‘something’ turns on you, it is psychologically devastating… SImilarly, a mugged liberal’s world is turned upside down when the Good and True ‘teenagers’ stomped him. And mind you, it’s a ‘you had to be there’ kind of thing, A pack of malevolent teenagers don’t just beat you up. It’s not that clean and clinical. They also jeer, goofaw, chortle, whoop, and make freakish jungle shrieks.
This actually happened to an acquaintance of mine, a (then-)liberal law student. He became a “knockout king” victim on the DC metro, spent several days in the hospital, and a few months later had a drug and alcohol fueled nervous breakdown that cost him his job.
On the other hand, after two years of sobriety he’s now one of the most realtalking guys in my (SWPL) social circle. So there’s light at the end of the tunnel, at least for some people.
Agree with Bubble and SOBL — if this guy came from a rural Ivy like Dartmouth or Cornell he’d get a little bit more of a pass, but if he hasn’t learned to stay away from “youths” after UPenn and Yale, he’s dumb as a brick no matter what his SATs were.
Sal, I mean, not “Bubble.”
From New Haven to Waterbury??? That place is a shithole too! Aaaaargh! This story is infuriating. This is how quickly good people can be broken, so that vermin can be excused. Whenever somebody good arises in these neighborhoods, the hooded wonders cut him down. Unreal.
Happy New Year Chuck and co.
” I don’t think that, if I were a scientist, I’d indict the entire species based on the actions of a few specimens”
And the irony is lost…
Tasimi believes it is the responsbility of the species to make blacks good. We haven’t, so by that definition the species is a failure.
Appreciating that blacks are dangerous and must be carefully avoided is basic reality, and if nobody told him this he should have learned by his first experience. I can understand that as a scientist he wants to work with a large data set, but a large data set in this case will leave one crippled or dead.
Ryu:
Well said. More specifically, these kinds of incidents directly stem from two causes:
1. Generations of minorities being taught that Civilization is a tool used by white men to suppress them and that they are under no obligation to live by civilized standards; and
2. All of that surveillence/police state technology sitting idle (against the actual criminal element) because our leaders prefer to deny these problems exist and promote instead a facade of America as morally superior.
Recently we had a mass shooting in the suburbs. The shooter had killed another guy in gang attack in 2008 (he was out on the streets again in less than four years) and this shooting too, was apparently gang-related. Yet our city council recently said there were no gangs in Seattle. You can see gang graffiti everywhere and dope-dealers hanging out on every street corner, but the city is more concerned with smoking bans and collecting unpaid parking tickets.
You’d hope his conclusion would be some race realism. Unfortunately I think he will conclude more AA, more govt intervention, more liberalism. Just one more 5 year plan will take care of everything.
As to the WN’s and the skinhead question, the WN’s are realistic about this possibility. They know that us Whites are violent and will attack our own kind and that sometimes they can’t be reasoned with. Thats life.
As for the professor guy, he is the broken part of the species. He might not have been able to defend himself, 7 on 1 is long odds but the healthy response is not feeling that humanity is bad or having the idiotic naiveté to think people who aren’t your tribe are going to treat you well. Ironically the thugs are sounder people, they know better. You ain’t my set, you ain’t my friend is drilled into gang members from day one. Its good thinking where they live and has been for most of humanity for most of time.
As for the 7 on one, thats one good reason not to allow the state to disarm you. Having a nice 15 or 17 round mag is perfect for situations like that and yes armed or not, against that many lethal force is moral. It may or may not be legal but I can’t think of a single functional legal code that has a solid ethical foundation. And note Sharia law isn’t functional as such. Mostly the law aids the powerful at everyone else’s expense.
As for the bulk of us, we have been going through a rare peace “bubble” driven by unsustainable factors. Its going to end quite soon I suspect.
Last week, Christmas Eve, I had stopped at a grocery store that caters to blacks and prole whites, Food Lion, this is because the grocery store that caters to middle class and above whites is being remodeled, Harris Teeter. Most if not all the shoppers now drive 7 miles away to avoid the Food Lion.
Anyway, I’m leaving and skinny black dressed in navy work clothes, some sort of mechanic, approaches, too close and gives a pitch for a few dollars to buy his brother who is in a mental hospital a watch, that may not be story correct but whatever it was, it was as bizarre as that. I said nothing for you sport, got in my car and drove off. I could see he was extremely pissed because his ploy didn’t work or because I pretty much gave him the brush off like the unimportant drone I thought he was. Maybe he saw me saying to myself Fucking Niggers while starting my car.
Later I got more and more pissed. The brazennes of a guy who obvioulsy had a job hitting me up for money. I drove back there looking for him but he was gone and probably for the best. I reflected on that incident, the underlying violence by the approach too close, the never ending bull shit they put on, the bottomless sense of entitlement. I despise blacks, going forward I redouble my efforts to do everything I can to make every one of their lives miserable.
Blacks on the Street are for real. That Life requires the “step up”. It cannot be survived otherwise. That is all commonsensical of course but the reality is impressive. The Life selects for that authority and personality and intelligence. Though there is little or no doubt about black white gap on standardized tests, in terms of in the moment presence which includes situational awareness but is a larger set of skills involving people and effective personal power, Blacks do not lack. In truth it is sheltered White folk in the suburbs who have not been tried and this quality is not there, and they get beat.
This guy Tasimi, here is a link with his picture: http://www.college.upenn.edu/content/2010-deans-scholars
Is that name Georgian or somewhere from there? that is his look. He is white as for the Street, and in the linked picture his expression is good natured, and i am imagining his mental deliberations of “not catastrophizing”, averting his eyes and putting the head down in the way of sheltered academics and scampering on, and then it is like, Yo Bitch the headphones or i drill you.
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To repeat my point, there is respect for those assholes. Not for kids doing beatdowns, not for them, that is too animalistic to be included in my kingdom, in the White World, but those are stupid kids with malformed brains and it is likely they are not growing much or any more and that is what they are and they are lost and a “failed species”.
But i have to say, and i will get to my point, that sort of detritus is not typical. That beatdown behavior is encouraged by the victims! Again obvious commonsense stuff but hard to wrap the head around. Someone brings it on themselves. Someone walking around telling himself not to catastrophize (stupid academic phrase) is not respectful to … reality. Reality respects what people and unformed malformed animal cousins can do, which includes violence.
So that is my point, is that willing that stuff not to exist brings it out. Is that ironic, or what?, there is a sort of mystical reality to how it works, how things are brought into existence by the imagining of them being. This guy was imagining those things not being, so i was suggesting irony, but that is not the right concept, but (and i know this is a philosophical tangent), trying to deny something existing is giving it existence. And there may not be more say about that, or it seems at the limit of what i can comprehend, anywaze.
To summarize Suburban_Elk: thugs can sense weakness.
That story of McCoy. That was Wolfe’s seminal character (seminal is a vulgar phrase which i do not like but it has the right meaning here) in Bonfire of the Vanities. He had the genetic quality of the natural aristocracy, come down from up country. And he was not naive to begin with, but not smart enough either, but Boy did he learn! At the end of the story Wolfe has him looking forward with relish and mean glee to some jailhouse trouble. See how he rose, he was a Mark but got up and fought back and his story is not over.
It is interesting how that literary hero’s story is reflected in a comment. Not a coincidence obviously, perhaps it is dense to find it remarkable. And i do apologize for “analyzing” your comment, McCoy, but it is such a relevant theme. When someone is hit up for a hustle, it is an insult, from the perspective of street cred; but it can also mean that there is a good natured face and sometimes those stories are true and even if they are not is there anything wrong in itself with asking someone for money, that is, help.
Good stuff from McCoy and Elk. I feel the same way.
I respond same way everytime I’m asked for money, “get a job”
Makes me think of old Bruce Hornsby song and I laugh.
Anyway, I’m leaving and skinny black dressed in navy work clothes, some sort of mechanic, approaches, too close and gives a pitch for a few dollars to buy his brother who is in a mental hospital a watch, that may not be story correct but whatever it was, it was as bizarre as that.
If you look big enough and/or strong enough and carry yourself a certain way, that’s what happens. Otherwise, you don’t get hit with a sob story; you get mugged.
I’m pushing 50 and of average height, so I lift weights. But the day is fast approaching when simple presence won’t be enough. That’s why older folk move to the country or gated communities, if they can. I also have older relatives who never previously owned a gun and now own several.
“I’m pushing 50 and of average height, so I lift weights. But the day is fast approaching when simple presence won’t be enough. That’s why older folk move to the country or gated communities, if they can. I also have older relatives who never previously owned a gun and now
own several.”
My parents are in their 70′s and both carry “illegally.” Regardless of where one lives, one should seriously consider it.
S_McCoy, they is what they is, so why let it piss you off? If you had enough spare time to drive back & confront the piece of shit, you also had time to game him in the parking lot. “Oh, that’s so sad about your brother. Tell me all about it. Uh huh, yeah, ohhh, awwww,” and so on, and after you’ve wasted 5-10 minutes of his time, “Welp, gotta go.”
Also, he most likely dressed in “work clothes” to make people think he had a job & wasn’t “just a bum”.
That’s generally it. Blacks won’t fight unless they know they can win, which is spun as ‘street wise’. This also fuels their obsession with guns, and why it is always ‘shootings’ and not gunfights.
I don’t see any obama sons on that UPenn scholars page.
Black won’t fight unless they know they can win
Solid strategy there.
Not really. It’s their DNA in action. It’s how they lived on the coast of Africa for hundreds of thousands of years and islands that can be swam to remained uninhabited.
The ability to take risks is important. Only fighting when you know you can win is not going for the win, it’s simply avoiding the loss. It’s playing small, and as we can see from blacks everywhere on the planet for their entire history the rewards are equally as small.
Even on an individual level blacks don’t even respect each other because at base they recognize each other as cowardly and flinching. The ‘peace’ is kept in these gangs because a lot of these conflicts generated by the perception of each other’s weakness would have to be resolved 1v1, which is something with inherent risks, and just doesn’t happen.
The shit talk never elevates and all the talk is degraded and meaningless. Words can never mean anything with blacks, especially with non-blacks, and they can never garner any non-blacks respect because this fear of loss that you wish to spin as “street smarts” is recognized for what it truly is.
Blacks aren’t the only underclass that exists now, nor are they the only to exist in history. Not all ‘street smart’ people acted the way blacks do, and they don’t all remain an underclass for all eternity.
“don’t think his sprit is broken and I doubt he’d find me menacing. He just doesn’t trust young, black men, who are strangers, anymore. Big deal.”
Yeah, I agree; I think the amount of knowledge one would get from this trauma would depend, of course, on how naive or not the person was going into said incident; i mean, i know a lot of professors, lecturers and others in academia who are quite liberal but by no means naive about America’s racial realpolitik.
And that’s also dependent somewhat on the collegiate location and surrounding demographics. I mean, at U of C, which is similar to Yale in that you get this island of civilized contemplation and goodwill surrounded by hardcore urban ghetto, everyone from students to staff can be incredibly trusting and liberal, but know with no romantic delusions that such a disposition won’t play too well if they try to take that attitude west of Cottage Grove Ave.
Many white liberals just make the very real distinction between ‘black Americans’ and the ‘Black underclass’; many here don’t because doing so doesn’t help or even jibe at all with their sympathies and their other rhetoric.
Many white liberals just make the very real distinction between ‘black Americans’ and the ‘Black underclass’; many here don’t because doing so doesn’t help or even jibe at all with their sympathies and their other rhetoric.
Or perhaps because the number of “black Americans” is woefully small compared to the “Black underclass.” So small as to be meaningless in any discussion of racial realities.
“…..the number of “black Americans” is woefully small compared to the “Black underclass.”
Nonsense; that’s another myth reified by the r..r echo chamber. I mean, it’s awkward to seem to be defending a black crime and pathology level that, compartive to whites, is three-to-four times higher, but the law-abiding black lower-to-middle class is much more numerous than the criminal element of the underclass. The vast majority of blacks and hispanics living in ghettos and projects are law abiding and are suffering disproportionately from NAM crime.
(what’s up, peterike? you seem a lot more shrill and ‘r.r. reactionary-esque’ here than you did back at OneSTDV.com, where you and I argued about unions and Scott Walker’s Act 10 ‘right-to-be-a-peon’-legislation! lol!!
The quintessential SWPL maneuver: it’s ok to generalize about an entire species if it’s your own, but not about a subgroup of that species (unless its your own). Larry Auster is a little over the top, but I’m coming closer to agreeing with his interpretation of the liberal death wish– that liberals would rather see the world end than admit to an inegalitarian distribution of gifts amongst different human sub-groups.
This Arber Tasimi fellow will need to learn how to hate correctly if he is ever going to get past his current abject state.
The shit talk never elevates and all the talk is degraded and meaningless. Words can never mean anything with blacks, especially with non-blacks, and they can never garner any non-blacks respect because this fear of loss that you wish to spin as “street smarts” is recognized for what it truly is.
This paragraph is unclear to me. I would guess that you are characterizing words on the street, among blacks, as a cover.
As for street smarts, the proof is in the pudding. They run the Show. Their evolutionary strategy works to run that economy; and i think that that environment, the scope and reality, is hard to believe, from an outside perspective. My further point that seems in contention, was that that environment is selecting for a type that i call an effective personality, and this personality is “for real”. Think Dr. Dre or 50 or any of the others. Seems to me, sometimes, that among reactionary Whites, who are tired of Blacks being made larger than life, are unwilling to acknowledge that the competition is keen.
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By the way, Uninhabited swimmable islands is a good example, of the limits of a less risky strategy.
The topic of evolutionary strategy is really at the core of these questions of history and politics, though. And to be frank, it sometimes seems preposterous to think on such things, or really to post one’s thoughts on such matters. Here, by me? Give it a rest, Kid.
However, that said …
The conception, itself, of this process of evolutionary strategizing, has to be part of it. As in, So ok, let us be reflective on our Being and in our Place. Alligators and fish are not like this. Dogs? Orangutans? Dolphins and whales? Bushmen?
Awareness of evolutionary strategy is probably what they used to call Race Consciousness. This is obv speculation but.
Many white liberals just make the very real distinction between ‘black Americans’ and the ‘Black underclass’
Most white Americans have a good ‘thug-dar’ for the blacks they see — and immediately know which black individual is dangerous, and which one is not. In my experience, 90% or more of balck people I encounter in the major urban subway system I’ve been using daily for the past decade+ are harmless like teddy bears. In fact, I’ve been acquainted with harmless black guys who clearly take a degree of pride in assuming that white people fear them. I don’t blame them — I woldl too in his position. But his ego may take a slight deflation if he learned that white people are not afraid of him as an induvidual.
The point can be illustrated by a simple formulation I’ve been making here over a year ago: the black underclass swarm-stomps whites six on one, The black middle class circle wagons for them with endless equivocations and apologia. The black elie lionize Jena Six on BET.
White people need to become more intimidating. Put the onus on them to figure us out.
From books I’ve read about the past, it was said blacks were fairly good at reading white people. I feel like they’ve largely lost that ability.
White people need to become more intimidating
I’d begin with young pretty white women stopping to genuflect to middle-aged black women. I see this everyday on the subway: overcompensatory smiles and niceness “sorry ma’am,” “ma’am you dropped this,” “so sorry so sorry.”
blacks were fairly good at reading white people
All people are good at reading people they’ve been around. I can read black people with perfect accuracy. But I’m not as familiar with Mexicans/Central Americans so I don’t read them well.
The vast majority of blacks and hispanics living in ghettos and projects are law abiding and are suffering disproportionately from NAM crime.
Well I consider a long-term welfare lifestyle to be criminal. So my view is you don’t necessarily have to be going to jail to be a criminal.
(what’s up, peterike? you seem a lot more shrill and ‘r.r. reactionary-esque’ here than you did back at OneSTDV.com, where you and I argued about unions and Scott Walker’s Act 10 ‘right-to-be-a-peon’-legislation! lol!!
We argued about that? I have no recollection, but I’m not doubting you. Anyway, I’m more fed up now, and the topics here tend more toward racial matters. In any case, I keep finding myself on the verge of disappearing entirely from blog comments, as it serves no purpose and probably isn’t healthy. I mean endlessly thinking about the ruin of the nation. I need a break.
“the black underclass swarm-stomps whites six on one, The black middle class circle wagons for them with endless equivocations and apologia.”
This, too, is true, but is a bit overly simplified IMHO; basically, among their own and beside integrated work peers, the black middle-class is often very critical of the black underclass to the point of being vicious and taking personally their onus and the status-reductions the underclass causes.
It’s only when the larger racial and political polemics come into play do you see the ‘circling of the wagons,’ as it’s already a vast ‘team-red-vs.-team-blue’-type circumstance; it’s then you see such absurdities as MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell, greedily rubbing his palms and crossing his legs with excitement, while impishingly grinning into the camera and saying: “yes, it’s true! A Florida D.A. has just issued second-degree murder charges against one George Zimmerman…”
I once tried to explain this conditional black-on-black support at SBPDL.com, of all places; yes, I now realize it was a bit vainglorious on my part to think I’d get a open and impartial hearing. Still, it was sort-of amusing to try.
E-lynching, anyone?
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2012/07/shoot-to-thrill.html?showComment=1341414470226#c5957519265854283724
“…..the black underclass swarm-stomps whites six on one, The black middle class circle wagons for them with endless equivocations and apologia.
I somewhat agree, but this, too, is a ‘fact’ that is somewhat negatively glossed by the r.r. blogosphere. The ‘circling the wagons’ only occurs once the larger and broader racial or political polemic comes into play. But when among their own, or beside integrated work peers, the black middle class can be merciless in putting down the black underclass, as it’s somewhat personal to them: I mean, the black middle-class is very image-obsessed, and to that extent, the black lumpen-proles are a painful onus.
I once tried to elaborate on at SBPDL.com; of course, i now realize that it was sort of naive and vainglorious to think I would get a impartial and level-headed reading by its commentators.
E-lynching, anyone? lol!
I got mugged 2 years ago by hoodie monsters. I live near a high school so 2 kids walking behind me did not at first arouse my radar. They followed me for blocks, falling in on my trail after I got off a bus. I was dressed too cute and was carrying a stupid designer handbag I had bought off a guy at work. I knew the purse would attract muggers. I got the bad vibes after the kids stayed so close behind me, as I walk really fast. I heard one kid’s keys jangling. When they broke into a run behind me I knew they were going to hit me. One pushed me and the other swooped next to me and looked at me as he grabbed my purse and groceries. I relexively clutched the purse and the other one pushed me again a lot more forcefully and I went down like a ton of bricks. They hopped over me and took off running. It was like two cheetahs on a big fat zebra. I got up and screamed “God fucking dammit, you stole my fucking tampons, you fucking stupid mother fuckers!” My arm was really messed up, for 6 weeks I was in agony all night, couldnt sleep a wink. The first thing any minority would ask me about the mugging is, were they black? Of course white people wouldn’t ask that.
my apologies for the above doubling-up on comments; somehow it posted both my original and edited comment.
When blacks first moved into Chicago whites were so enraged by their mere presence that they started literally stoning them to death. The US military was deployed on American soil specifically to protect blacks and the whole institution of “police” in the US is basically just there to police whites and prevent them from taking control of their own communities for the sake of black safety.
They run ‘the Show’ because our Anarcho-Tyrannical goverment puts them in charge of the streets by way of their general non-enforcement. ‘The Show’ is that black gangs and street violence is the province of local beat cops that do nothing and white gangs and just individual criminals are the province of the DHS, FBI, et cetera. That should show you what the actual score is.
Did you even know that if say your wife were raped by a pack of niggers that the police would expend more effort watching YOU, than searching for the criminals? That should show you what the actual score is as well.
You say this like it fucking matters? First off, it’s bullshit anyway. You act like we all live in Vermont or some shit and have never seen a black person a before. Like we’ve never been exposed to “He din do nuffin!” in real-time and we only know about from A Wyatt Mann cartoons.
Secondly, all you are doing is circling wagons for the wagon-circlers. You are performing the exact behavior you are attempting to dissect. They din do nuffin! Right?
As the comment chain grows here it seems some people are talking about the black underclass but talking past each other. Part of it is defining “underclass”. Nikcrit seems to focus just on the criminals, while the rest of commenters are lumping in the network of criminals, their enablers, low income earners and welfare recipients. I agree with the expanded definition and would apply it to all groups for discussing underclass whether white, asian, hispanic or black. It’s just a bigger problem in the black community. I have black middle class and upper class acquaintances who abhor how the black underclass acts but the black underclass is gigantic in size and overwhelms the rest.
Use Wikipedia for household income data. About 57% of black households make less than 35K (this includes some govt transfer payments). Consider that high earning black households have a lower fertility rate, and now you’re skewing to 65%+ of blacks living in households earning less than 35K annually. I use 35K because its a break in the quintile stats on wiki as well as being the average salary of a normal Joe, but only 1K/month over the poverty line for a family of 4. The Schott Report states 2010-2011 was the first year black boys had a high school graduation rate over 50% since 2001. Now combine that with the fact that 11% of blacks are in prison or on probation. Add in the women or family members who enable the criminals. Add in the fact that in 2007, 40% were on food stamps, and with the financial crisis and the huge hit to black employment, who wants to bet EBT use is over 50% now? Looking at that mass, how can anyone say that the black underclasss is smaller than the black middle class? With 5% locked up and 50% using EBT, that’s a clear majority. On an informal basis, do we add in the black kids who called my black friend’s son a faggot on the school bus because he liked to read and please his teacher? Do we add in the women who told a black friend not to report a rape and send ‘another brutha to jail’? Give me a break. The first step to fixing the problem is admitting you have one in public and when the hell is anyone allowed to admit that America has this problem without being sent to the stocks?
This, too, is true, but is a bit overly simplified IMHO; basically, among their own and beside integrated work peers, the black middle-class is often very critical of the black underclass to the point of being vicious and taking personally their onus and the status-reductions the underclass causes.
C’mon Nik. While you point about overestimating black criminality probably has some validity, but I’ve spent a huge amount of time around black folks and I’ve seen very little of blacks taking other blacks to task. When Bill Cosby made his rants a few years ago black people were even dumb enough to say “don’t air out our dirty laundry” – as if white folks weren’t already keenly aware of any of those criticisms he levelled. The one thing I do hear black people say a lot is “that’s might black of you” when another black person does something they don’t like. (see Jamie Foxx)
Even if your neighborhood is filled with 100% working black non-criminal homes (and no welfare recipients) you’ll still have to deal with two severe problems – (1) virtually all black “households” are headed by a single female mother attempting to raise children who have lots of future felon friends coming over daily and (2) black people do not call or work with police…. ever. So, even if all of your public sector job having black neighbors are aware that little J’Shonte’s cousin is the one boosting flat screens from unoccupied homes they won’t cooperate with law enforcement to snuff it out.
Even the NY Times saw this uniquely black underclass problem nearly a decade ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/20/national/20blackmen.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Sorry, meant to say “that’s mighty black of you”. lol
K(yle) says,
“You say this like it fucking matters? First off, it’s bullshit anyway. You act like we all live in Vermont or some shit and have never seen a black person a before…..Secondly, all you are doing is circling wagons for the wagon-circlers. You are performing the exact behavior you are attempting to dissect. They din do nuffin! Right?”
No, I’m not ‘circling the wagon-circlers’; I’m making note of a contradictory behavioramong blacks that whites understandably often don’t see. But your comment sort of brings home the fact that, yes, that contradiction really isn’t too relevant for most whites and other non-underclass NAMs.
For the record, I don’t consider myself a apologist for NAM dysfunction and most of my co-workers, white and black, would be surprised to hear me cast as such.
Camlost says: ” I’ve spent a huge amount of time around black folks and I’ve seen very little of blacks taking other blacks to task”
And my comment pointed out that I see the same —— when discussing black dysfunction at a wider racial and political level. But among themselves, when airing grievances that affect their personal egos and vanities, I hear that some lot do NOTHING BUT bitch about black dysfunction; that was the thrust of my comment.
All I can add to that is I have neither reason nor inspiration to lie about or sugarcoat NAM dysfunction in the aggregate; I come here to add outlier and unlikely perspective, some of which may even further pro-r.r. arguments. That may seem odd coming from me, but I know other NAMs (or part NAMs) who feel the same way, as there’s really no virtue in dreaming one’s way through a crisis.
our Anarcho-Tyrannical goverment puts them in charge of the streets by way of their general non-enforcement.
I do not concede the point: things are as they are, right now, and Some are capitalizing. Anarcho-tyranny, what a descriptive phrase, it cuts right down.
The playing field is not slanted, it is an island.
Not calling the use of the phrase, anarcho-tyranny, into doubt. It is the right phrase.
But it is a descriptive understanding, of what is going on, of how it is that they are running the streets.
A good descriptive phrase is essential to a reflective evolutionary strategy; but which strategy is by its nature burdensome.
“I can read black people with perfect accuracy.””
And then disregard, ignore or disbelieve those whose words or behavior doesn’t jibe with any or all pithy expectations; e.g., the much-discussed ‘talented tenth.’ lol!
http://sfappeal.com/
Latest San Fracisco mugging with dog murder. You can’t even stop your car in black neighborhoods. Drive straight through people. Blacks hate you and your little dogs too!
Anarcho-Tyranny is a term coined by Sam Francis. It means exactly what I said it to mean. It’s the selective enforcement of a huge body of laws to keep the law abiding afraid of being caught up in ‘the system’ while allowing flagrant lawbreakers to continue to go free and relatively unmolested.
VDH’s now famous article about roadside fruit sellers in rural California is another perfect example. White people are policed and require the proper permits to run a business, and illegal immigrants can do it out in broad daylight and no cop will so much as question them.
What do you think would happen if masses of white farmers from California opened up roadside stands and stopped paying taxes?
There are laws that mostly apply to white people and laws that mostly apply to non-whites. The power that exists in the discretion of law enforcement, prosecutors and judges means that the laws don’t really mean anything. If a bunch of white kids started dressing in distinctive gang attire and formed their own criminal culture there would be a crackdown fast.
In fact it already happened, because the big thing back in the 70s for rough and tumble young white men were biker gangs, and there has been a war on them for decades now, including the outlawing of their kuttes, infiltration of the gangs, RICO cases, et cetera. They were pulling over a lot of these bikers every single day, multiple times a day to have 20 minute chats and searches. The police did the same thing to their families. Over the years their membership has dwindled, gotten older, their criminality drastically reduced among that membership, et cetera.
The government didn’t want white criminal gangs so it ensured that the lifestyle was not fun, or cheap and full of law enforcement, courtrooms, jail cells, et cetera were a part of the daily lives of anyone even tangentially connected to them.
Meanwhile the gangbanger dress code is just blacks being blacks and you’ve never heard of the FBI infiltrating all these gangs to put together racketeering charges. The government has specifically not started stopping, searching, harassing and investigating every black guy in a hoodie like they did every guy in a vest on a motorcycle, or every guy with a name ending in a vowel in NJ and NYC.
Anytime white people do anything of the sort, there will be harsh repercussions, and they will be specifically aimed at dissolving the community by making it a hassle and not fun. Meanwhile blacks are allowed their fun. The lifestyle will remain glamorous and there will be no efforts to hamper recruitment.
For there to be an ‘even playing field’ then if you ever committed a crime and I’m a cop I’m waiting outside your families apartment every day and jacking your little brother up against the wall on his way to school along with all of his friends. When he’s habitually late for school the state is going to get involved and threaten to take him away from your mother, who I will also be pulling over on the way to and from work every single day. When they complain no one is going to give a shit because they are fucking ghetto trash.
They get whatever they deserve for acting like niggers, and if they just stopped acting like niggers then they would stop getting treated that way just like if you get off the motorcycle, take off your retarded leather costume and stop being a fucking punk we’ll let you go in peace. That is the only peace the white man has; conformity as a neutered consumerist.
Instead what society does is say ‘Go in peace and be niggers, it’s your right’ and that is the only reason blacks run the street. If there was the will, as it exists for whites, then it would be very easy to make life in niggerdom bad enough to get blacks to not act black anymore.
There is no “island”. That’s some bullshit you use to satisfy your ego. Black street violence exists because the government stops everyone else both from doing anything about it and doesn’t do anything about it themselves except in the most underhanded way as to appear not racist.
A comment like that should not be buried in an old thread.
“There is no “island”. That’s some bullshit you use to satisfy your ego.”
That was an expression to point out that University of Chicago is a academic enclave —– with all the attendant trappings; e.g., coffeehouses, jock bars, bookshops, etc. —– and is surrounded by lower-income NAM ghettos.
It was a statement of fact, not a personal or ideological conceit.
I don’t know if the rest of your comment was directed at me, or based on something I said earlier, but I don’t necessarily disagree with what you said. However, I live in the town that’s headquarters for Harley-Davidson, and when I think of prototypical ‘biker’-gear, here it’s commonly worn by everyone from patent attorneys to senior accounts to ‘true’ bikers; the sort-of ‘bourgeouis-ification’ of bikers and biker gear is a frequent joke in my town. To me, the idea that cops single-out white biker-clad men is ludicrous and damn near quaint. “On the Waterfront,” anyone?
I like this quote: “That is the only peace the white man has; conformity as a neutered consumerist.”
I think such a fate, in some form at least, would befell any cultural victor or pre-eminent demographic in a given society and its social order: When you’re the prevailing demographic culturally, financially and numerically, the miasma of the consumer market reflects you, you, you!
Oh, I now think your “There is no Island”-remark related to ‘Suburban_elk’s’ m”The playing field is not slanted, it is an island”-remark, not my description of U of C.
Never mind….
The term anarcho-tyranny does not need re-summarizing. Your efforts, K(yle), in doing so are fine, but in terms of an argument between us, reflect pigheadedness on your part, because i know its etymology. If you think the term is mis-used in my writing, please point it out specifically; otherwise your emotional reaction is lost.
For there to be an ‘even playing field’
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There is no “island”. That’s some bullshit you use to satisfy your ego.
What i said was, The playing field is not slanted, it is an island. If you are going to quote, get it exactly right, and to the point that the context is clear.
The island is a metaphor for this planet, including the street the city the suburbs and the country and the wilderness. That metaphor was developed upthread, off of your initial example as it happens but that may be irrelevant now; but the metaphor is good and clear, do you not get it?
The “island” is this environment where we all live, and it includes its conditions of life. To belabor the explanation of this metaphor to you, among those conditions of life are law enforcement and its focus or slant. You go on and on about how the white man is held up by the man. The examples you listed are not disputed, but the general tone is defeated and sorry and resentful. Every man, and every race, has a story. What effect on your ego does the tone that you take with yours (or ours) have; is it palliative?
When i say people are making money right now, on the Street, on this Island, those are the facts. Blacks have complaints about the contours of the field as well.
The disagreement is in my statement, The playing field is not slanted, it is an island.
Blame the man, the system, its unfair rules; spilt milk, tears in the beer, water under the bridge.
To blame those things, Cry, wax nostalgic: there is the field, it is not fallow.
But under the glittering stars: An island, alone.