Kicking. Squealing.
This song is a couple years old, but I only heard it for the first time the other day. Perhaps I’m becoming much like the target of the song:
This is a chant and a taunt, similar to the types of taunts cheerleaders send across the bow of an opposing team that Ke$ha wrote after getting hit on by an older man at a bar. Like cheers, the song is intended to be obnoxious and to infuriate and to troll the intended target. And what is a taunt? It is a cowardly threat. It is made only because the taunter assumes that they are safe from retribution of the taunted. It is the child at the zoo poking a stick at the lion behind the cage.
The gay-themed TV show Glee rebooted the song and made the snarky cheerleader connection. What’s kind of funny there is that the show is bent on bringing the perspective of gays to the forefront and often rehashes songs from the perspective of gay men. Or they’ll often change up the gender perspective of the song or tinker with the relationship between the singer and the subject of the song. And such a song would provide ample opportunity to ridicule old gay men who lust for twinks. They don’t go there though possibly because Glee’s creator is the former.
And of course, pop stars can taunt Old Men because of some generalizable mythical behavior that they supposedly engage in at bars, but it would be offensive to single out any other non-white/non-male group for behaviors that are commonly attributed to said group.
She’s the one who brushes her teeth with Jack Daniels, right? I have a feeling time won’t be too kind to her.
It’s pathetic when young people tease older people for being old. Yes, it’s true, but your clock is ticking too. Won’t be long until you are wishing you had the attention of guys that age.
Kesha has done her older self a big favour. When she hits that wall, the younger women will be singing her own song about herself.
The Who and the Jam used to mock the old too. Didn’t make it easy for either Pete Townshend or Paul Weller as they themselves grew old.
Regarding Kesha, an anti-older man song isn’t really a problem. What’s a problem is that older guys are supposedly bad, while the media cheerleads cougars.
Manosphere writers refuse to address the topic of male aging. Cudos to CR for his courage here.
The does seem to be a wall of silence on that topic.
Male ageing and female ageing both reveal the quality of our decisions when young. Except men have a lot more time to make up for their mistakes, and their misspent youth is generally not irreversible, up to a point. Young men have always had more latitude with exercising their immature judgment for that reason.
And this is why no civilized society has ever trusted young women to make their own choices. Feminism notwithstanding, our society still doesn’t trust young girls’s judgment about what’s good fro them. Do you think that all those after-school grrrrrl athletixxx are really there because chicks dig soccer?
As to Kesha, RomanCandle said it best.
agree with the essence of your comment, PA. However, the phrase “young men have always had more latitude ” is what the manoshpere collectively does wrong. The collective message is denial of the limits and decrepitude that accompanies aging.
Pete Townsend said, “I hope I die before I get old.” He took his licks for that line as he aged, but it is not the same. Kesha is taunting the old man like a kid throwing rocks at dog behind a fence. The irony is that when she is behind the fence, the kids of the day will have plenty of rocks rocks to throw with all the ammo she just handed them.
The collective message is denial of the limits and decrepitude that accompanies aging.
Not really, except many underetimate the value of being not too far from 30 when you have your first child, for reasons of energy and being able to see him grow up. But PUA advice is age-callibrated for men, and it’s a truism in these parts that men’s T drops with age and lifting weights is important to offset that drop.
As to actual decrepitude — meaning an inabilty to enjoy normal things in life and being mobile and self-sufficient — with good health both men and women don’t get there until their mid-70s or later anyway, and many never become decrepit way into old age.
an example of the denial from Mr. Science Reporter-Heartiste. He reviews the outcome of a study on erectile dysfunction and sexual satisfaction , but omits the finding that these outcomes were also determined by the age of the men themselves.
take note, conservatives who say things like “stupid kids voted for obama, now let them pay for my retirement”
What’s slightly intriguing to me is Ke$ha’s immense popularity compared to her relatively lower media profile; even casually, taking in trends I see in the schools, her songs are ridiculously popular; that ‘brush-my-teeth-with-a-bottle-of-jack’-song was a tweener tweaker, capturing fans of all races in that weird 12-to-14-year-old demographic; I mean, black girls by the boatload were totally hooked on Kesha, singing her songs and wearing t-shirts with her image…… yet, if you went by casual media representation levels, fellow stars like Katy Perry seem two or three times more popular…. she is, ultimately, but her larger profile about matches her sale and concert numbers; no so much for Ke$ha though.
Shame on her for dissin’ those lusty old goats; guess she figures they don’t buy song downloads!
When we made sodomy and chubby chasing cool, the SWPL borg (whose DNA is Puritan – it’s in their ROM – never forget this) had to find something else to judge and hate. Believe me, this taboo is much weaker in other cultures. Just another irrational bogeyman for “enlightened” “reality-based” American SWPLs.
And no, Kesha isn’t SWPL, but the elites have gotten the memo out about what’s cool and what’s taboo, just like they did with single motherhood.
Remember “creepy” is usually just female code for “beta”. In this case though, the old man hitting on her isn’t necessarily beta, but he does elicit the same reaction from Kesha – namely, “how could this old man with low sexual value consider himself an equal to me?”
This is Kesha.
The end.
Just as older men liek younger women and some young women are drawn to older men, some gay men ahve the same dynamic. There’s enough lit out there on the daddy concept; it’s just not in print in the NY Times.
Kesha is yet another in the endless stream of talent-free female “celebrities” that corporate amerika manufactures — beyonce, madonna, on and on
most of them think it is SO cool to have a one-word name . . . and that’s about as far as their originality — and their melodic and lyric abilities – go
we used to have a vibrant, extremely creative music scene in the u.s., but for the past 25 years we’ve gotten PC Personalities and Rap Punks, bleating out their ideologies and hate, as a replacement for actual effort, merit, and music
if kesha picked cotton, at least she’d be useful
instead of being a brat millionaire diva who can only whine about the “success” that was laid in her lap, while she tears down her betters
Women are never going to be comfortable with the fact that the majority of men they don’t find attractive have the same desires and sex drives as the relatively small number of men they do find attractive.
Yeah based on those pictures she’s probably upset because she doesn’t think the “old man” is in her league- she’s in denial about the fact that her SMV is lower than she thinks it should be, and so angry about it that the only way she can feel better about it is to write a song about it and “crowdsource” her self-esteem, as it were. I’m hot, right everybody??? Right??? This creepy old guy isn’t really at my level, right??? Right???
What bothers me more than anything is the fact that our society in general devalues the old more and more, as if they have nothing to offer other than fodder for jokes. People (especially Gen x and younger) think being able to google something is a proxy for real knowledge and experience, and gives them a false sense of superiority. So people who have been to different places, seen interesting things have no value because, hey I can google all that stuff so it’s no big deal.
“The collective message is denial of the limits”
I don’t think the issue is of aging so much, because PA is right, people can stay healthy and fit well into old age. Where I sometimes see a problem, more in the comments section, is how disposable some of the men act like women are. I don’t think the reality for most men is an endless supply of beautiful, young women. There’s a lot of competition out there.
And yet if George Clooney smiled and said “Hi” to her, she’d swoon.
Relative SMV is everything.
who the hell is Keisha, I could only listen to 10 seconds of that crappy song…
here’s some old guys rocking out…
and I think the bassist is even called Geezer…
…and if feminist’s weren’t hypocrites, they’d even celebrate the fact that unconventional beauties were enjoying their topfreedom…
Someone play this for her when she’s 65.
Donny –
“she’s in denial about the fact that her SMV is lower than she thinks it should be, and so angry about the fact that her SMV is lower than she thinks it should be, and so angrya about it that the only way she can feel better about it is to write a song about it and “crowdsource” her self-esteem, as it were. I’m hot, right everybody??? Right??? This creepy old guy isn’t really at my level, right??? Right??? ”
that’d be about it alright
incredible wealth and celebrity, acquired not by talent nor effort but by Group Identity Guilt-mania, and we gotta hear on her shitty “compositions” about how oppressed she is, and how hot we’re supposed to find her puffy, pampered ass
in the old days of REAL radio, the “songs” of about. . . oh . . . NONE of these jive divas would have broken the top 100
what a joke this kulture is
she’s pissed b/c the young hotties will love Dinosaur unto his deathbed, and he wouldnt let her onto his porch to deliver groceries . . . much less into his home
. . . much less into his arms . . . for who wishes to love a monstress? joe n barack i guess…
after reading yr comment i’m gonna have to stop saying STFU Donnie!
Now it’s stuck in my head. Damn it.
she wants it
where are the philosopher kings
Conan the Sumerian
was that his name
on the music in the link, there is no key
atonal, and not in the good way
their provocation is endless
my original comment, which might pass for insight, rather than terse humour, or laconic wit
criticism for being old, is the only argument some have, because their is no character becoming
* edit to 10:37: there’s, theirs, whatever, sorry
it is a brutal criticism
no respect for an old man
how did Egil say it
and now they laugh
Reminds me of when I was young, and the old disgusting men would come waddling up. Gross.
It’s not natural for a young woman to date old pigs. Glad I married a man my own age.
“People (especially Gen x and younger) think being able to google something is a proxy for real knowledge and experience, and gives them a false sense of superiority. So people who have been to different places, seen interesting things have no value because, hey I can google all that stuff so it’s no big deal.”
Yup, except that there are plenty of boomers etc. who really don’t know squat but sure as hell act like they do. The main issue for those who do know something is their info from their life is mostly useless as the world has changed. Many from my parents generation (55-70 years old) are clueless about how things work now despite having lived through them or even voted/supported them.
It took a few years of a few vague and not so vague statements to get my (divorced) mother to understand why I didnt trust women much. The incident that really opened her eyes however was a late 20s co worker her basically ruined her good marriage due to her princess entitlement complex. A good man, who had helped my mother out in fixing her car etc., who dropped off his wife’s forgotten lunch and this gal drove him out due to her drama.
Just out of the blue my mother told me “I understand why you said you don’t trust modern women” and then told me about the co-worker’s horror show.
Tina:
That is, unless the ‘creepy older dude’ actually IS creepy and dirty. Women don’t have any problem with age differences when it comes to creepy losers—only respectable need not apply! LOL
It’s the same for younger guys, or ‘Manchildren’ as you femihags derisively call them. No problem if the guy is an illiterate baboon with a criminal record you could measure with a yardstick. But ‘boring nice guys’ who bathe and promising futures are even noticed by women.
Sounds like an an anthem out of the Idiocracy universe. The Stones’ “She’s So Cold” is a good antidote to the attitude in Kesha’s sub-literate song.
And here she is back in High School.
She was ugly then, she’s ugly now. What self aware/non delusional woman goes to the beach in a granny panties bikini with a hideous body?
The Black Sabbath video reminds me of a counterpoint to a argument re. pop-music that i often hear in the r.r. blogosphere —— the alt-right often complains about today’s integrated rap-deferential pop music culture, explaining that NAM pop is allowed to indulge it’s racial and ethnic roots directly while predominantly white genre’s, such as alt-rock and metal, aren’t allowed to, etc.
But I recall covering Ozzfest a few times in the late 90s, and what struck me was how, in these amphitheater crowds of upwards of 35,000, you’d see maybe five or six black faces, tops……
Confession: I loved Ozzie; thought he was hilarious, and viewed his solo albums as a guilty pleasure; we’d even play some of his songs while warming up during rehearsals in earlier years.
p.s., And I say that “Dirty Women’ vid rocks —— tho i’m specifically here referring to its music, lol!
Judging by the pictures, the older guy who hit on her probably thought, “Man, Courtney Love has really let herself go. Maybe I have a chance with her.”
Isn’t Kesha (Ke$ha, Ke$$ha, whatever) the same girl who writes and sings about how Mick Jagger and David Bowie get her all wet?
The basic relevant game theory to this soap:
A man may get credit for the woman he fucks; but a woman gets credit for the men she can reject.
That idea is from somewhere else, sorry the reference escapes. The second, larger point, the corollary, is the effect this has on women’s behavior. Which has become, as in this video.
And the next point, the effect on the population: good for the gorillaz.
Conditions of life have become so that taking advantage of expectation of reciprocity, works.
Euros evolved to the point where their tool making and building were so accomplished that sexual selection was allowed, for spontaneity.
Spontaneity, in the previous statements, means interpretation of the forms of culture most amenable to interpretation and modification: verbal intelligence, wit, music.
A next generation form of evolution, after some species has evolved to the point the men are not worried about wolves or war (as it was); they seek to impress the women, with such devices as mentioned.
Interesting enough, blacks do demonstrate verbal intelligence, and music.
A “cultural anthropologist” might say they are imitating forms, with aggressive vigor.
The previous statement is not a concession. Rather a question, Where are we now? I find black forms of expression limited, by their nature. They have this device they have figured out, and just sit there, with their hands on it.
my last statement is far from perfect; in other words: reactionary
better it would read:
The previous statement is not a concession. Black forms are limited. Their imitations do not grasp the essence, which is to move.
and that is not perfect neither
you work it out