Kicking. Squealing.
Virgle Kent wasn’t able to muster the brain power to criticize HBD so he outsourced to blogger T. aka Ricky Raw:
The first thing to understand if you want to figure out the rituals and mindsets involved in “race realism” is to understand shame and narcissism and how they work. The main motivating force behind narcissism is shame, which is a concept very different than guilt, although the two are often confused. Shame is an area of study in psychology that was neglected for quite a while and has only recently become a strong area of interest. In the past few decades there has been a lot of research on shame, and how it differs from guilt.
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Race realism, or HBD, is a movement where a bunch of toxically shame-based white men created a cult of collective narcissism, a support group where members help other members deal with the low self-esteem created by their extreme shame issues. They support each other in their efforts to overcompensate against the shame. The main proof that they are shame-based comes from how much they fanatically believe in genetic determinism, the idea that one is either born great or born defective, and that hard work can do nothing to change that. They are constantly trying to argue that greatness comes from racial background, gender, country of origin, genetic makeup, and other things that one is born with and can’t change with actions.
Ricky accuses me of arguing in bad faith in comments over there. I’ve made no secret about how I came to race realism. I found the data on input differences and outcome differences to be compelling. I came to such data through Game circles i.e. Roissy and Roosh – two bloggers who are concerned with overthrowing anti-truths in the gender/sex realm. Being somewhat libertarian and reactionary, I, by default, assume that popular truths are rooted in half truths or outright lies. I find all of this very interesting, and it seems that racial differences are the most tightly guarded lies of all. And the complicity of members of the media, academia, and politicians is so far out of whack with my personal experiences (being a waiter is a big part of this – not the shame of being a waiter, but witnessing patterns of behavior among different race groups) that it is a never-ending source of awe for me. I don’t know how much in common I have with your typical HBDer or whichever type of person Ricky Raw is addressing here.
He’s attacking random blog commenters. I don’t notice him attacking Pinker or Cochran, or even demonstrating any awarenesd that they exist. He’s too dumb, emotional, and clueless to engage with.
Be that as it may, if I were black, this stuff would bother me too, especially the retarded blog-commenter version which holds that all blacks are the worst kind of black person, and all whites are the best kind of white person. Those guys are as dumb as Ricky. Did you notice where he claimed that disagreeing with feminism makes you a narcissistic shamey dude too? He’s beyond parody.
So Steve Sailer online and Steven Pinker in academia and any others who try to find biological variation among humans and differences in culture, behavior, disease, crime, social success, IQ etc are all just narcissists motivated by shame?
Maybe Rickey and Virgil are black males whose racial narcissism is somehow shamed or “dissed” by HBD. Maybe their black narcissism is threatened by certain truths?
Interesting article. It might be worthwhile if it weren’t so chock full of butthurt. In a way it’s humurous because the author is the exact kind of person he is describing.
They have it backwards (which you would expect from africans, a backwards people). In fact it is the black “game” bloggers who are insecure and ashamed of their inability to get more white women. Back to the cotton fields, RIcky.
Lol. That blogs entire content is muh dik.
It also completely misses the point. They are quibbling in saying sure, they recognize gender inequality but we aren’t saying that men are better than women. They are just strongly implying it because there can be no inequality without at least subjectively valuing one set of traits over another.
Sure men are on average more stoic than women, but that doesn’t mean they are superior! If for example you subjectively value flighty hysterics over calm leadership then you think women are superior. Superior at languishing about the house within convenient distance of a fainting couch.
What’s sexist about that?
Very weak stuff. First he comes up with some silly psychobabble, and then desperately tries to pin it on a strawman version of HBD. For example, he writes:
The main proof that they are shame-based comes from how much they fanatically believe in genetic determinism, the idea that one is either born great or born defective, and that hard work can do nothing to change that.
Of course, no one believes in “genetic determinism”, as described. What HDBers actually believe is that individual and group differences stem from both environmental and genetic sources (and that individual differences are usually distributed normally, not dichotomously). 50% nature, 50% percent nurture is a good rule of thumb, although for some traits in some circumstances the proportions may be very different, with nurture predominating over nature, for example. It’s always an empirical question.
Thus HBDers are not genetic determinists. In contrast, anti-hereditarians are frequently environmental determinists, attributing all group differences to discrimination or whatever.
I think a major reason for the interest in HBD is, as Chuck says, that the conventional wisdom on race differences in particular is at great variance with the facts on the ground. HBD gets its moral dimension from the fact that liberal and mainstream conservative discourse on race is highly mendacious yet is used to justify policies that disadvantage non-protected groups, non-elite whites in particular.
Ricky Raw said,
“I think radical, identity politics is what leads to that crap, no matter what the side”
He’s probably right to some extent, but who started that?
Gotta love that toxic Talented Tenth.
Also, lets not forget that this Virgle Kent boy is roissy/Heartiste’s butt-buddy in D.C.
Wonder what roissy thinks about his guy two timing him with Ricky the Haitian?
First of all, you haven’t done your Blacks Behaving Badly thing for a while. I agree that to view African American dysfunction as entertainment is mean spirited. However, you were making a point of showing things the main stream media will not, and trying to keep it light hearted.
Hey Lara, how do you tell a two year old child that mama is never coming back?
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/12/10/beaver-falls-woman-shot/
Right. Listen – if a person is black, they are 100% and all the time for blacks. Period.
Your logic and reason mean nothing. They feel a tie to their racial brothers that is indescribable to most whites. The closest thing would be the most extreme sports fandom you can imagine, directed towards race.
VK is used to being worshiped by PUA fanbois because he has abs at 160lbs and 5’5″. Rick Raw is a affirmative action psychologist who writes the longest, most incomprehesible posts ever.
What I advise is training and studying the one thing in this world, and all worlds, that stands on it’s own two feet, which has no appeal.
There is a more important story out there Chuck, one that is related to this. Mandela is near death. South Africa is ready to pop. Soon, we will see if whites who realize the end is near are prepared to defend themselves. Their actions portend America’s future.
Laughed out loud at how stupid that post was.
On the other hand there’s a black HBD blogger, jayman, who tries to take the subject seriously and make contributions to it.
Dude, Ricky Raw is so totally above it all man, yeah bro, he’s cooler than Chuck bro, yeah. He’s not a lame hbder bro, no way dude.
Chuck, you shouldn’t be so hard on VK even if his writing is moronic and constantly contradicts prior writing. VK didn’t have time to write about HBD because he had to make some anti-gay jokes right before he went on a 3 hour shopping spree with another guy while he told him how fabulous he looked in jewel toned shirts and athletic cut blazers.
“I agree that to view African American dysfunction as entertainment is mean spirited. ”
If I didn’t laugh, I’d cry.
That post is bad enough but the comments to you are hilariously bad. As usual, noticing blacks commiting crime is racist. They keep failing to understand if the media would just truthfully report, there would be no need for bbb posts. Or if blacks didn’t commit so much more crime there wouldn’t be either.
HBD racist’s, uh, I mean race realists, here ya go….
If:
2 + 3 = 10
7 + 2 = 63
6 + 5 = 66
8 + 4 = 96
Then:
9 + 7 = ?
Solve it tough guys….
“Gotta love that toxic Talented Tenth.”
Damn, P.A.! Your standards to my ‘club’ keep getting lower and lower!! I almost feel like taking back the qualified kudos I extended toward you on the Lead, Race & I.Q. post. (LMAO)……
I think the post here deconstructing the HBD mindset describes some of its truly existing unsavory pscyhological elements; fact is, there ARE a lot racially essentializers who use HBD less as a developing hard science and more as a balm for their wounds and to rationalize their irrational, essentializing remarks.
I mean, you can say ‘not’ to all that, but evidence as to what I claim exists within this very comment string, which is about six or so hours old! (i.e., RYU”s comment stating:” “Right. Listen – if a person is black, they are 100% and all the time for blacks. Period.”
I mean, that is total and utter nonsense; if I read that remark to my black peers in the break room on Monday morning, they’d laugh their asses of, but of course Ryu can say that here and be reified and reassured by others here for the very support-group element blogger says exists in the HBD blogosphere.
No, he didn’t in any way attack the scientific credibility of HBD as a emerging science; but he did reveal and highlight a therapeutic element to the “HBD community” that surely does exist and understandably is widely co-acknowledged by the very ones comprising that community. And that too I think is somewhat understandable: a big component to these anonymous avatar HBD blogs is that you guys are fighting off a very unfair stigmata and ridiculous double standard in terms of what you can freely say and talk about it without facing quite unfair and unbalanced consequences ——- so, that fact too fuels your martyr-comrade sense among yourselves, which is deserved but does fuel other excesses and conceits IMHO.
Arguing about racial differences is akin to arguing whether the sky is blue or gravity exists.
Fwiw I pretty much came around to race realism the same as chuck minus being a waiter.
Race realism, or HBD, is a movement where a bunch of toxically shame-based white men created a cult of collective narcissism, a support group where members help other members deal with the low self-esteem created by their extreme shame issues. They support each other in their efforts to overcompensate against the shame.
Except for the bit about collective narcissism, which is just stupid, this is not an incorrect statement.
To suggest that someone is ashamed and needs support. Huh, interesting. White Americans have lost their honor; they are ashamed. They need to band together, in groups that offer support.
The main proof that they are shame-based comes from how much they fanatically believe in genetic determinism, the idea that one is either born great or born defective, and that hard work can do nothing to change that. They are constantly trying to argue that greatness comes from racial background, gender, country of origin, genetic makeup, and other things that one is born with and can’t change with actions.
That White people are ashamed does not needs proof; it is obvious. The proof of their shame is in the world; their loss of territory and women.
His description of some of the motives and psychology behind race realism is not off the mark; but it is described in terms of contemporary psychology that are weighted in feminism and feel good, which not incidentally permeate support groups.
But the description of what it is, race realism, is not only off, but revealing of the author’s concerns about the nature and reality of genetic limits.
“9 + 7 = ?”
144
@stoner,
9+7=144
I enjoy Ricky Raw’s writing but when he comes down on HBD science he’s out of his depth… and shows it.
My own experience with confronting HBD took many years, and I struggled for years in High School and College with reconciling egalitarianism with a reality that isn’t egalitarian. Our society is one that has decreed unscientific answers to scientific questions, and even arguing that we don’t know is liable to get you excommunicated.
I’m lucky enough to know a psychometrician in my own life and have had discussions where this issue was brought up. I suppose it’s helpful seeing examples of people who acknowledge that racial differences in IQ exist, that they are probably biological, but who aren’t mass media portrayals of backwater hicks or skinheads. Once you start realizing that virtually everyone in the neuroscience field accepts that IQ is largely inherited and that racial differences in IQ exist, there’s going to be at least some fraction of that we can attribute to biology.
It can be argued that it’s wrong to acknowledge these things even if they are true because of the racist element, but that’s wrong. It’s wrong not to acknowledge [probable] truth, and the PC taboo on discussing and researching these topics is causing real harm to real people every day. I don’t know what the best approaches are to understanding the social ills that arise from differences in human groups, but we surely can’t find them if we labor under lies.
WEB Dubois coined the term “Talented Tenth” to descibe a nascent black elite, among whom he counted himself, and whom he wanted to see in positions of political power and as leaders of all other blacks. He envisioned blacks, led by their Taletned Tenth elites, as by necessity adversarial toward white society (unlike Booker T Washingon’s ideal of symbiotic complementarity of races). Nonetheless, with Dubois’s oppositionalism, there came a sense of responsilility and noblesse oblige toward the black 90%.
Meanwhile, I use “Talented Tenth” in its more contemporary and relevant context as shorthand for the more intelligent blacks today who live, work, and socialize heavily with educated, middle class whites.
Today’s “Talented tenth” are less interested in fulfilling Dubois’s calling for being leaders of other blacks — they are better described as individuals who enjoy many of the privileges of being associated with whites — among whom they enjoy historically unheard-of privileges and protection — but without a sense of obligation either to lesser blacks or to their white benefactors, which really is all whites. They are an opportunistic rather than a striving or a mission-driven class, which is why I have refered to them in the past as contemptible. You may feel free, Nickrit, to not be lumped in with those guys.
My final HBD acceptance came from three 12 year empiric K-12 experiments.
School District R chooses 120 students annually to the gifted slots. The choices were allocated 40/40/20 % (caucasian/AA/hispanic) with separate cutoffs from standardized testing for each subgroup. As these students age, many drop out , always the same reason “It’s too hard.:”
Year, after year, after year, after year, the ~40 graduates are almost exclusively caucasian with 2-3 AA girls and 0-2 AA boys.
The original quote, though containing some trust and a lot of extraneous big word bs (if narcissism and overcompensate could count as such), can be seen as a taunt.
By calling someone ashamed, the caller gets to pretend that they are sympathetic or concerned. The word is used correctly, in the manner of contemporary psychology.
But contemporary psychology has some problems. It is not solution for white men, it is prozium. How to help the once proud live in this environment.
Contemporary psych wants your feelings on the table, to be dressed appropriate, for this world.
The casting of whitey in those terms does not set right, for people wanting their pride.
The author of the original quote senses that; the effect, the taunt, is, Just another bitch, whitey.
“It can be argued that it’s wrong to acknowledge these things even if they are true because of the racist element, but that’s wrong. It’s wrong not to acknowledge [probable] truth, and the PC taboo on discussing and researching these topics is causing real harm to real people every day. I don’t know what the best approaches are to understanding the social ills that arise from differences in human groups, but we surely can’t find them if we labor under lies.”
I pretty much agree and figure that, for want of a better term, the ‘conscientious HBD communty” would want to distinguish itself from its ‘racist’ or ‘racially essentializing’ cousins in said community, for the very practical purpose of not getting further tarred-&-feather by the well-established liberal antiracist machine and their forces. I mean, you know in advance what you’re going to be accused of, so then why enable and even ennoble those accusers with some of the very racist caricatures that will confirm those charges?
I mean, on many of this blogs, One.STDV.com comes to mind, most of the commenters were level-headed and could distinguish between ‘in-the-aggregate’ trends and total essentializing —— yet, those and other moderate blogs would link to lowbrow essentializing blogs like SBPDL.com, where you had 70s throwback insults like ‘coon’ and ‘jungle-bunny’ being freely exchanged!
I mean, pick your associations a bit more carefully or at least then don’t be surprised when the accusations are leveled. If someone like me takes shit for voting for the same guy that Al Sharpton voted for, then I think it fair that fair-minded HBD’ers still raise a few brows among skeptics ecause of the tone and disposition of some of its distant and less-polished allies.
“if I read that remark to my black peers in the break room on Monday morning, they’d laugh their asses of”
Just because they would deny it doesn’t mean it’s not true.
I agree with Nikcrit that blacks don’t often stick together and they don’t seem to have much group cohesion, either. When whites take more of a hard line with them, they are even less likely to stick together.
“Just because they would deny it doesn’t mean it’s not true.”
I could vouch for them in saying it’s not true; I see evidence every day of how untrue such a charge is.
Fact: middle-class black professionals, especially those that work with the black and other NAM underclass, are not inclined to be uncritical of those they serve and endure every weekday; the idea that I and my peers pet and coo-coo dysfunctional blacks, ever-ready to make excuses for them is absurd —— not only untrue but actually a inversion of the more common reality.
That a white person who doesn’t commonly work beside blacks, is not interested in them culturally or aesthetically and has no reason to see otherwise, doesn’t note what I said is not a surprise.
I don’t have much to say about the social habits and customs of Innuit tribes in northern Alaska; but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that my extremely limited social experience with them was quite different that what would constitute their normal social behaviors.
It’s kind of ironic, since VK comes from the same place as Roosh and Roissy as far as his general approach to pickup. To have an entire philosophy about women that is based on the results..in other words, NAWALT, but data shows that most are, so here’s how to deal with them. In the same way, we can say to VK : sure, NABALT, but here’s some patterns people have noticed and some actual data, so based on things I’ve seen and actual crime stats I’m taking my ball and going home before I get my face kicked in.
“2 + 3 = 10
7 + 2 = 63
6 + 5 = 66
8 + 4 = 96
Then:
9 + 7 = ?2 + 3 = 10
7 + 2 = 63
6 + 5 = 66
8 + 4 = 96
Then:
9 + 7 = ”
It’s the sum of the two numbers multiplied by the first term.
So, 9 + 7 = 16 * 9 = 144
Shaming white men has been the modus operandi of the anti-racist/feminist/jew/gay progressive agenda.
Via Sailer, Canadian academician Kenneth Westhues on modern on postmodern discourse.
Of ten characteristics of postmodern argument, these three might be most relevant here.
“That White people are ashamed does not needs proof; it is obvious. The proof of their shame is in the world; their loss of territory and women.”
I don’t know if that is ‘shame’ —– or is SOLELY the result of shame; whites could look at their conquering history and just as easily feel pride, and I don’t doubt that many do, and I would add quite justifiably do.
I think what Suburban_elk points to is another emotion that’s historically affected pre-eminent groups and civilizations during certain historical epochs: enervation, dissipation from what’s been described as ‘total cultural victory’;’ the dark side of cultural apotheosis —— think Rome, if thinking epically; think Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany, if thinking generationally.
I’ve said it before; I believe there’s a ‘Is-that-all-there-is?”-element that accounts for much of liberal thought, particularly amongst those whites who hold such thoughts but have everything to lose from maintaining that position. And I do think the reason the HBD blogosphere is somewhat blind to that aspect of liberalism, is because said sect is GENERALLY found amongst the more prole and aspiring conservative element and is therefore somewhat immune and possibly even totally mystified by how someone could hold such a position.
stoner,
144.
now run and ask virgle kent to solve it.
agree with nikcrit. White guilt is not shame. Shame derives from who I am. Guilt is rooted in what I’ve done. “White guilt” is better named and described as “affluence guilt”. Poor whites don’t suffer from guilt. I think there is a natural human discomfort from having when others don’t have. Specifically, unearned affluence —> discomfort. Earned affluence—> no discomfort.
pretty rich.
black guy sees psychological reason for white guys acknowledging hbd as rooted in shame. yet same black guy doesn’t see psychological reason for black guys refuting hbd as rooted in shame. what group is most driven by shame from shame perspective.
btw, why are men psychologizing each others
motives? arguing that shit is pretty womanish cosmotalk.
@AMac: Yeah, I also thought that Ricky’s post is a good example of what Westhues calls postmodern discourse. These bits also fit:
lacking “means by which to negotiate or accommodate such intractable differences within its mode of conversation,” it will “typically resort to the most fiercely antagonistic, demonizing, and personal attacks upon the opposition”;
has a more feminine flavour, as opposed to the more masculine flavour of modern discourse
Ricky’s mode of argumentation is highly similar to that of feminists attacking anti-feminist thinkers. Instead of addressing the content of the HBDers’ arguments he tries paint them as losers and degenerates.
“Today’s “Talented tenth” are less interested in fulfilling Dubois’s calling for being leaders of other blacks — they are better described as individuals who enjoy many of the privileges of being associated with whites — among whom they enjoy historically unheard-of privileges and protection — but without a sense of obligation either to lesser blacks or to their white benefactors, which really is all whites. They are an opportunistic rather than a striving or a mission-driven class, which is why I have referred to them in the past as contemptible. You may feel free, Nickrit, to not be lumped in with those guys.”
boldface mine;
P.A.,
How do you figure I or any middle-class, college-educated black owes you or some random white person something if I, through educational and vocational attainments, get a job in, say, some Chicago south-shore drive hedge fund —— owned by, say, some WASP English family, or some other traditionally higher-class-represented caucasian ethnicity?
Is there some six-degrees-of-separation caste hierarchy that I must acknowlege, first ‘thanking Sicilians and Southeastern mediteranean Europeans, follwoed by eastern-Europes, then, alas, bowing before the Western European cream?
Are traditionally lower-caste Europeans more entitled to the fount of West-European finance, business and technology, before, say, third-generation black bourgeoise? Or, the sons and daughters of midwestern Jewish bankers?
I don’t think black elites are necessariliy obligated to be ‘role models’; I certainly don’t believe they’re at the bottom of some crude racial pecking order. I’ll tell you somehting you may find a bit ironic, and I found quite annoying at the time, which further the irony: when I was going to grad school at U.ofC., I knew a bunch of Jewish and Waspy kids from there and from back home at my upscale suburban midwestern public high school —- and those kids, who would often fete me and other black kids —– actually, showing us a undue deference that was sort-of patronizing ——those same privileged white and jewish kids displayed an outright venal disdain and ;prejudice for any —- Any! —– non-privileged or lower-class white kids who attended that school. It was obvious and over-the-top —– and almost an inversion of what you often claim is the existing social order and or what you propose as an ideal order.
sorry for screwing up the font; don’t know what happend there.
Nikcrit and others, I think you are misinterpreting Ryu’s comment. He probably meant that in any given conflict between a black and a nonblack, third party blacks will side with the black.
nikcrit: “I pretty much agree and figure that, for want of a better term, the ‘conscientious HBD communty” would want to distinguish itself from its ‘racist’ or ‘racially essentializing’ cousins in said community, for the very practical purpose of not getting further tarred-&-feather by the well-established liberal antiracist machine and their forces.”
Unfortunately [IMO] this is actually an alliance that Leftists/Liberals have themselves made since they very purposefully decided to brand anyone who acknowledges that human groups vary across a spectrum of qualities as a racist troglodyte. In many respects the factuality of the claim is irrelevant because the Leftists have created a well-oiled machine that can find or concoct reasons to smear you regardless of what you’ve actually done. I experienced this firsthand in college when a publication that I helped to produce came under fire by a black students group for depicting a black student in silhouette (the image was actually a silhoutte of a character from Frank Miller’s Sin City, for clarity that this wasn’t some crazy racist image drawn by a student). This seems like a joke, but it’s not, and the publication had its funding pulled by the college on essentially trumped up emotional reactions by black students.
“now run and ask virgle kent to solve it.”
just did…
“I came to such data through Game circles—Roissy and Roosh—”
LOL! So these two nitwits are experts on race now? The same two clods who think that ‘alphas’ and ‘betas’ are different species of humans? ROFL
“Two bloggers who are concerned with overthrowing anti-truths in the gender/sex realm.”
No, they’re concerned with self-promotion.
It’s education that accounts for differences in racial intelligences, just like feminist education accounts for the problems in the gender/sex realm. The anti-truths being promoted in schools and media are what should be combatted.
Right. You could just chop a guys bits off and he could be educated into being a woman.
To the contrary I think this is descriptive of what PA has said in the past.
Humans are not rational actors. They are narrativists. Storytelling apes. Poor whites don’t have any white guilt because the source of morality in our culture is based in victimhood.
Poor whites assign themselves victim status and feel entitled to the righteousness of an aggrieved party seeking justice, which is one of the only sources of moral certitude acceptable in our society, and the only one that is almost universally accepted.
It’s completely implausible to suggest that unearned anything causes discomfort ‘naturally’, and if it did we wouldn’t have the history that we do as a species.
This prevailing morality is a complete anomaly, both historically and contemporaneously with other cultures.
@Ricky Raw
HBD is Darwinism applied to humans. Deal with it.
“Black people are not rational actors. They are narrativists. Storytelling apes. Poor blacks don’t have any guilt because the source of morality in our culture is based in victimhood.”
True, Kyle!
“Poor blacks assign themselves victim status and feel entitled to the righteousness of an aggrieved party seeking justice, which is one of the only sources of moral certitude acceptable in our society, and the only one that is almost universally accepted.”
True, Kyle!
“It’s completely implausible to suggest that unearned anything causes discomfort in non-white people ‘naturally’, and if it did we wouldn’t have the history that we do as a species.”
True, Kyle!
“This prevailing morality is a complete anomaly, both historically and contemporaneously with other cultures.”
True, Kyle! It’s called ‘The American Protestant Work Ethic,’ it was created and sustained by white people, and it was exploited and corrupted into its present forms by an unholy alliance of feminists, ‘black leaders,’ Jews, and whites too rich or too insulated to care about their nation or their people’s history.
But whatever, NARCISSISM NARCISSISM NARCISSISM SHAME SHAME SHAME.
“now run and ask virgle kent to solve it.”
just did…
Good. Now shine my shoes.
“Good. Now shine my shoes.”
would you like your asshole licked ma’am–because I hear RYU does an excellent job….
luv, your Omega ™ Nice Guy ™ victim of miscegenation….
nikcrit,
It sounds like you went to high school in one of those teen movies from the 80′s. I’m guessing you were well liked by your classmates mostly because you seem to have an affable personality. I’m sure you got a little boost from being black, probably PA did too being an immigrant, but mostly kids will like you or not based on your personality.
“I knew a bunch of Jewish and Waspy kids from there and from back home at my upscale suburban midwestern public high school —- and those kids, who would often fete me and other black kids —– actually, showing us a undue deference that was sort-of patronizing ——those same privileged white and jewish kids displayed an outright venal disdain and prejudice for any —- Any! —– non-privileged or lower-class white kids who attended that school.”
Yeah, this is a surprise? What, don’t we all know completely that the single biggest social status motivator for SWPLs is disdain and separation from their lower-class white compatriots? That ALL cultural markers of SWPL culture exist specifically to create distance from white proles? That the entire Jewish/media edifice is committed to a relentless shaming, mocking and disenfranchising of lower class whites? That Jewish political power, once committed to labor (i.e. white proles), immediately (and predictably) turned on them when it snatched the ring of power from WASPs and has spent decades seeking the elimination of white proles? And that the decadent, wealthy WASP elite eagerly signed up to the Jewish project of white prole destruction to juice up their own class disdain hard-ons?
The white prole is the nigger of the world.
Actually, it’s pretty much all blacks, not just the poor ones.
No, it’s not, and the American Protestants were already a group who justified themselves in the context of being the victims of British religious oppression. Oy vey, I’m being oppressed, let’s go found New Israel!
People who were born into wealth and high status didn’t feel guilty for not having the privilege to grub in the dirt to prove how pious they were to their neighbors.
The Protestant Work Ethic is 20th century German-Jewish academic quackery to justify Capitalism as an ethical system and is part of the subversion of a more traditional European morality.
How do you figure I or any middle-class, college-educated black owes you or some random white person something if I, through educational and vocational attainments, get a job in, say, some Chicago south-shore drive hedge fund —— owned by, say, some WASP English family, or some other traditionally higher-class-represented caucasian ethnicity?
Forget high end WASP gifts for a moment and think of the very “water” that American blacks swim in. It is a habitat created and maintained by whites of every class and background. The Easter egg hunt for kids in prole white neighborhoods — lower class nice white women organize those. The neighborhood fireworks show of Fourth of July — working class white men drive to a another state to buy up the fireworks and put on a show. Moving up in white classes (butstill inclusive of lower class whites) you have schools with white kids in which black kids get the care and attention — or at least the supervision — they woudl not have gotten among themselves.
The fat black woman with sub-90 IQ and a perpetual entitlement-snarl on her face — what woudl she be doing without white people? probably dying, or living on a pre-human level of subsistence.
And now moving up to Talented Tenth blacks… where woudl you be without whites? Living alongside the “entitlement-snarl” beast, or more likely murdered by her sons. Remember, the African’s achilles heel is self-decapitation. Your 90% slaughers your top 10%.
It’s not just “traditionally higher-class-represented caucasian ethnicity” you owe everything you have to. Your load of debt estends to every friendly, competent white technician who ever fixed somethign in your house, to every smliing white female cashier whose very presence makes a store feel “nice” rather than depressingly ghetto… you get the idea.
The most contemptible thing about the Talented Tenth blacks is their arrogant obliviousness to the fact that without whites, they would not exist.
“would you like your asshole licked ma’am.”
Sheesh, man no one here cares about your sexual fantasies. Try keeping this shit to yourself.
Malaysia, and the rest of South East Asia, is the clearest demonstration that HBD is real. Singapore, the city state with 5 million, has overtaken all of Malaysia, a nation state with 23 million people, in GDP. Singapore’s population is 70% Chinese. Malaysia’s population is 23% Chinese. If you look at each and every South East Asian country, the level of economic development is proportional to the percentage of Chinese people in that country. This is true for every country in Southeast Asia.
Slavery and racism cannot account for the differences in performance between Chinese and Malay people. Both were exploited by the colonial masters, who were exclusively European whites.
A visit to Malaysia is particularly instructive of the reality of HBD. Notice the characteristics of the Chinese and the Malays, the way they dress, the way they act, their language and mannerisms. The typical Malay can speak Malay, but may well cannot write in their mother language, and speaks in broken English, if at all. The typical Chinese not only speaks good English and Malay, but often speaks Mandarin, Cantonese, and Hokken. They can read and write effectively in all of these languages.
Oppression of the Malays by the more successful Chinese cannot be blamed for this difference. The Malaysian government has implemented a “pro-Malay” affirmative action policy since the early 70′s that goes way beyond anything that has even been considered by the liberal democrats in the U.S. Yet, after 40 years, the Chinese are still more successful than the Malays.
Trust me guys, HBD is real.
I just posted my previous comments on the original blog article. I’m sure it will attract lots of flamers.
i”The most contemptible thing about the Talented Tenth blacks is their arrogant obliviousness to the fact that without whites, they would not exist.”
I’m note sure what your ultimate point is; I AM grateful for anyone and everyone who’s come before me or beside me and made my and others world a better place; I’m grateful toward white leadership classes and black leadership classes, during segregation and afterward, etc.
My sense of brotherhood, not to sound sappy, extends beyond my race; in fact, naive as it may be, I consider myself genetically and familially connnected to the black and white race.
White I think i’m taking umbrage with in various earlier statements of yours —— and I could be wrong! —– is what I sense to be an almost aristocratic sense of privilege and birthright, based solely upon the fact that you have white skin; e.g., the ‘grateful to whites, in fact all whites,’ riff of yours earlier.
And to be clear , i’m not talking about ‘pride in one’s race,’ which is fine; and i’m certainly not saying the kind of conceit i’m bitching about for the moment isn’t a offense that’s transgressed across racial lines; rather, in the spirit of a nuanced argument and with a blogger whom I have a fairly detailed familiarity with, I don’t get the sense of racial hierarchy you seem to be demanding of socieity (hypothetically, of course); this sense that the bourgeouis upper-middle-class black shoud defer to the uneducated white immigrant prole, based on the fact that the prole’s ethnicity is closer to hose of civilizational’s victors——- to be clear; i’m not saying this figurative bougie black should be dismissive or arrogant toward said prole, or vice-versa, but I don’t understand this sense of fealty —– or lackthereof —— whose absence you seem to be noting and even decrying in this and a few earlier exchanges of ours.
That’s what puzzled me, if I made myself clear.
edit: should be: “certainly isn’t a offense that ISN’T transgressed across racial lines…”
If it helps clarify my position, look at the Pittsburgh news link I posted early in this thread. When the Talented Tenth takes responsibility for that and works to eradicate it by any means necessary, rather than penning affirmative action show-monkey screeds like our psychologist Ricky Raw and abs boy Virgile, then I will stop calling them contemptible.
“When the Talented Tenth takes responsibility for that and works to eradicate it by any means necessary, rather than penning affirmative action show-monkey screeds like our psychologist Ricky Raw and abs boy Virgile, then I will stop calling them contemptible.”
I do! I spend 70% of my work week among prole blacks, doing stuff in my less cynical moments I describe as value-development exercises, vocational training, anger management, etc.; while I’m not engaging in those things, I’m writing or directing at a administrative-level measures that deal with as much.
But if I do that, as say as much in semi-intelligible English, you and others at blogs like these, say: “Well, Nikcrit’s not REALLY black!”. ‘
It’s about as that point, you dig up Obsidian or some serviceable online proxy, and after he goes into his avoiding and irrelevant obfuscating riffs in evading or even admitting any black culpability in black dysfunction, you and others here later say: “Obsidian: he’s a healthy black man, while guys like Nikcrit and Dragnet will never be as authentically black!”
That’s a big part of it, IMHO; “your,’ meaning the alt-right’s, definition of ‘black behavior’ is determined largely by the fact that you handpick the prototypes to gel with your own vanities and stereotypes.
K(yle) says,
“The Protestant Work Ethic is 20th century German-Jewish academic quackery to justify Capitalism as an ethical system and is part of the subversion of a more traditional European morality.”
interesting; what specifically was this ‘more traditional European morality?’
You’re in a tough spot Nickrit but because of your history at OneSTDV I have a pretty good feel for you and I don’t lump you in with the contemptibles like Dragnet or Joe aka Ricky Raw et al.
“No, it’s not, and the American Protestants were already a group who justified themselves in the context of being the victims of British religious oppression. Oy vey, I’m being oppressed, let’s go found New Israel!”
The Puritans were revivalists and fundamentalists more concerned about corruption than oppression. They believed and lived by everything they preached to an astonishing degree, defended their society as long as it lasted, cast out dissenters, and took their words and vows seriously. Do not slander them with that vile comparison.
“People who were born into wealth and high status didn’t feel guilty for not having the privilege to grub in the dirt to prove how pious they were to their neighbors.”
The Puritans had the shortest turnaround time from ‘grubbing in the dirt’ to fully-functional country, industry, and culture the world has ever seen…PRECISELY because they weren’t too proud to work. Meanwhile the “people of wealth and high status” moved south to Jamestown, died in droves, were too lazy to see beyond getting sub-races to make lots of short-term money while giving no particular thought to the future of this arrangement.
“The Protestant Work Ethic is 20th century German-Jewish academic quackery to justify Capitalism as an ethical system and is part of the subversion of a more traditional European morality.”
The Protestant Work Ethic showed white people exactly what they were capable of and advanced the human sciences far faster than any of the generations before. It made New England better than Old England and the New South greater than it had ever tried to be. Without it, America would have been Dubai at best. Meanwhile, Jews got their first great American financial foothold as advisers to slave owners, whose arguments on tarriffs echo perfectly the strains heard in The Economist, and who taught the non-planting white man to grub for a lifetime in black culture, a far worse fate for anyone with sense!
Dystopia Max says, “The Puritans were revivalists and fundamentalists more concerned about corruption than oppression. They believed and lived by everything they preached to an astonishing degree, defended their society as long as it lasted, cast out dissenters, and took their words and vows seriously.”
This is more in line with what I’ve been sort-of passively accepted, as it seems plausible and coincides with other historical narratives. But I’d still be curious to hear what Kyle says…..
P.A.,
Thanks for reply; think i’m a bit clearer; maybe I was pushing too hard on one or two phrases of yours, which, come to think of it, could easily be taken in several casual and utilitarian ways…..
Chuck,
my apologies for my possible excessive blabbing the last day or two. Why? head cold; couldn’t go anywhere all weekend; cold as a bitch out there as well…..And I’ll probably be doing as much for one more day, as tomorrow is a paid holiday for us public-school employees y’know.
Happy MLK Day everyone!!! (lol!)
@Dystopia Max
This is all one rambling just-so narrative. The Puritans were kikes plain and simple. They even painted themselves the New Jews, and their conception of “corruption” is precisely based in a victim narrative. They were an oppressed minority ipso facto everyone is corrupt but them.
The largest Jewish community in North America was on Rhode Island and the economics of the North were reflective of the policies put forward in The Economist. As if The Economist economist is for trade protectionism; pure fiction.
The most famous defense of slavery was from George Fitzhugh, which sounds nothing like The Economist.
Yes, working hard for Jews who are not burdened by a Protestant Work Ethic that dictates nepotism and other “unearned” benefits are evil. It showed them that any authority from the ingroup was evil and what we could accomplish if you let Jewish bankers run the world, and because of them we have the world we have today.
Really, because the liberals will tell you it was liberalism (which is actually more plausible). Those scientists were not dirt farmers, and still today almost all scientists come from an affluent background. That was even more true in the past.
Again, a just-so story in defense of your precious Jew-worshipping heretics.
Why would they think about the future of a millenia old arrangement? Why would anyone concern themselves with the notion that a bunch of religious fanatics would determine that negroes are human and deserve “Rights” and kill anyone who disagreed? The whole notion is absurd.
The Yankee Protestants were the ones that inflicted our current fate on us. Get a hold of yourself; how can you even put forward that the losers are the ones that determined the course of future events because that is exactly what you are saying?
The present we have now is precisely a result of the choices made by the dominant power in North America which has it’s lineage in New England protestantism.
You have some To Kill a Mocking Bird narrative where all institutional authority is basically good and the bad things that they do are the fault of some rednecks that live in a tin shack.
You are the perfect example of a storytelling ape, and what a story it is.
Of course blacks will side with the black.
But Slavs and Meds are not in the same league as Anglo-Protestants. Slavs are not even first-world people, but second-world. I respectfully disagree with Ryu that we need to dilute down first-world white nationlists just to increase numbers.