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#1: Great reminder that one f-up or chronically sick person in your family can change everyone’s trajectory. That’s why families used to be ruthless about cauterizing those poor souls, e.g. Joe Kennedy Sr. institutionalizing his daughter over 1,000 miles away and then practically forgetting about her.
It’s disappointing to see Christina Hoff Summers changing the subtitle on her book. Feminism is harming not just our men but our women. Mincing words won’t make it go away, and trying to subtly spread blame around on nebulous “policies” ignores that these policies come from a mindset that has pretty much always been at odds with objective reality.
#2: Christina H.S. is forgetting the military. That used to turn a lot of Default Guy semi-careless underachievers into people who were meticulous and focused. And did so in a macho way that guys sought to emulate rather than in a controlling, smug way that guys innately perceive as ultimately counterproductive to comply with.
You should put up a link to the Obama shotgun photo, where he’s supposedly skeet shooting yet his gun is pointing straight, not upward. Amazing.
Just read that you’re a bitter, racist “loser” on some other site. Made me think this place might be saying some good things. Upon inspection, I’m happy to see my stereotypes confirmed so generously (once again). Bookmarked.
As to why kickers seem to be more social activist types. Yes, they are not “real” athletes in one sense, but also I bet on average the kicker has a significantly higher IQ than the other players and didn’t have to devote nearly as much time to training, strength building and practice as the other players. Hence, they probably actually went to their college classes and were suitable brain-washed. As smarter white guys with money they naturally drifted into the SWPL mentality.
No. 4: the ultimate reason is the prohibitive cost of white neighborhoods and schools in regions with jobs. The white births-deficit since desegregation is on the level of genocide.
#1: It’s not a particularly new explanation, but it makes sense. It also explains, in part, why whites and blacks with the same credit scores are not equally creditworthy. (Another reason is that a black with the same annual income as a white person does not in fact earn as much in the long run due to the regression toward the mean.) The biggest obstacle for upwardly mobile blacks in today’s America is that they have to constantly deal with other blacks, including family members.
On the first link, blacks carry this curse of being walking, talking property-value depressors. Wherever a black household moves, there the property value depreciates by the mere fact that he’s there. Rich, educated blacks still play r&b with loud bass, and they have teenage sons with less genteel black friends.
From a rational dollars perspective, a sole black homeowner in a white neighborhood ought to be very against any more blacks moving in. On the other hand, more blacks make the area more culturally congenial to a “talented tenth flight” black.
I’d like to hear from a black man why we should care. What do they contribute to society, that we should even care?
That “wealth gap” article is interesting, but it’s only the tip of the iceberg. Having to support relatives keeps *lots* of people in poverty, not just blacks. There are things that poor people in this country (and others) do which make it easier to survive, and make their poverty a little less uncomfortable, but which also make it damn near impossible to get away. Helping out relatives is a huge one. Here’s a post from a somewhat HBD-aware teacher: http://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/escaping-poverty/
“Cut your family loose. I don’t mean you have to abandon them, or hate them, but their needs are secondary to yours. If they’re making demands, you have to say “No”. All the time. No, you can’t stay home to babysit because your little sister is sick. No, you can’t go pick your father up at work at 2 in the morning. No, you can’t drop your niece and nephew off at school and be late to class. No, you can’t miss a morning of school to drive your mother to the utility company to help her tell a sob story that gets the power turned back on until she has money to pay the bills. No, you can’t work extra shifts just because the family’s broke. No, you can’t lose an entire weekend to visiting your dad/brother/sister/grandfather in jail. I don’t care if your parents are bums or hardworking joes. They made their lives, and if you want a chance of getting out and making your family’s life better, you don’t get sucked in by their problems. If your parents share your goals, then they’re already making this happen. Otherwise, they are millstones round your neck.”
Now think about the kid who says no to all that. His family will hate him. They’ll call him ungrateful, and likely as not, they’ll deliberately try to sabotage him. Because if he does those things for his family, when it’s his turn, they’ll do those things for him. He’ll stay poor, but it won’t suck quite as much.
Megan McArdle discusses the issue here: http://m.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/if-i-were-a-poor-black-kid/249996/ .
Last year Tyron Smith of the Dallas Cowboys had to call the cops on his own extended family, to stop their overaggressive demands for money:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000088492/article/tyron-smith-of-dallas-cowboys-calls-police-on-family
In the last few weeks before going to jail in 2007, Michael Vick blew more than $3.6 million. The total included paying $99,000 cash for a mercedes (on debit card) and giving away sums of money to various baby mommas, hangers-on and extended family.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Vick-spent-3-6-million-in-three-months-before-g?urn=nfl,127558
HBD should be able to come up with a theory why blacks are stingy with strangers (bad tippers) but generous with extended family and even friends. Why wouldn’t a black want to impress the waitress or waiter with how wealthy he is? Isn’t that why he buys expensive sneakers? I wonder if Chinese have the same extended family leakage problems as blacks. I bet they do, but they just happen to be better savers, so it doesn’t matter.
I would read McArdle if she didn’t use language like “payoff matrix.” Although for a certain kind of guy, I can see how that would be very exciting.
I wonder if Chinese have the same extended family leakage problems as blacks.
Beg a Chinese relative for financial help and they’ll give you a job at their restaurant or cleaning business, but not a handout.
I think what annoys me about the GMP article is the woe is me tone. If a man doesn’t want to work a legitimate job and prefers the life of a criminal, I can understand that. It’s no secret that most women are going to be more attracted to a bank robber than a banker. However, to turn around and then cry about society doesn’t value you is pathetic.
Blacks are cheap tippers, what?
They are aggrieved, this is no news; so they do not tip much.
As i said before, agreeing with someone else, the institution of tipping is demeaning, and archaic.
I will try not to embarrass us here, but i found leaving appropriate not overly large tips – straight fifteen percent pre tax, to the penny if possible – a solid exercise in assertive behavior.
I miss those restaurant days. I may want back in. It is a tenacious industry – there are still a lot of restaurants, and people want to be fed, especially Americans.
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What would be interesting is a solid summary of disparate sentencing, that frequent complaint. I find it hard to believe that judges are not cowed into going easier on black defendants, in fear of pc reprisal. On the other hand, the classic example of crack vs coke – though its classification has been equalized in most places – does make the case that blacks were getting locked up disproportionately.
That “wealth gap” article is interesting, but it’s only the tip of the iceberg. Having to support relatives keeps *lots* of people in poverty, not just blacks.
Which, of course, is a proxy for average IQ. If your group has a lower average IQ, they you will have, on average, more relatives in poverty. If they have a lower future time orientation, you will have, on average, more relatives in poverty.
Same shit, different day.
There’s a solution to this problem of black male incarceration. Stop committing crimes.Rules that apply to anyone else must also, in exactly equal measure apply to blacks; cultural considerations are irrelevant.
And on Summers’ piece: One of the commenters, from sweden, put up a snarky comment on how we’ve learned over the last century that men and women are the same, and it’s society that socializes us into different genders. That country is truly insane; I suggest Hjernevask (Brainwashed!), a great 7-part doc by Norwegian comic-turned-presenter Harald Eia, and Kronskriget, or “Woman’s war” – I think, I speak German not Swedish but it seems to translate that way – which details the almost complete lunacy of Sweden. This is what sensible policy is often up against.
As bad as you think it is here, it could be much worse.
The first rule of Progressive Fight Club is you do not talk about genetic racial differences. The second rule of Progressive Fight Club is you do not talk about genetic racial differences.
The incarceration article must be intended for the progressive echo chamber. Normal people wouldn’t buy this crap. Only people who would believe that are SWPLs and blacks themselves.
Those numbers are available, but I don’t have them off hand. The data that gets parsed for the newspapers that claim that there is disparate impact in sentencing routinely ignore harsher sentences for repeat offenders.
You are more likely to be convicted and receive a harsher sentence if you are white. Blacks receive harsher sentences than whites if you treat each offense as a separate perpetrator and completely ignore that most of the lightly sentenced blacks and harshly sentenced blacks are just the same blacks on different ends of their criminal careers.
Your first few fuck ups as a black have few consequences. Don’t fuck if you are white and male. You will almost certainly go to prison and stay there for years with a class of black criminal that is likely more recalcitrant and unreformable than any non-black criminal cohort, because they wouldn’t actually be there otherwise, having been cut loose.
That Native American and white duo that went on a black shooting spree a year or so ago is a pretty good example. The Native American shooter’s father was murdered by a black man in his 30s or 40s who had been in and out of prison his entire life for various crimes, including violent ones.
He got into an altercation with the Indian’s father who came over to chase off the black man when his daughter called him because the black guy was trying to invade her home over some smack talk. The black guy didn’t live in the community and had been previously barred from being there by the landlord. The black guy went out to his car, got his gun and came back and murdered the man, and his sentence was less than 4 years for the specious charge of “pointing a weapon”.
There is absolutely no chance ever in a million years that if the perpetrator was a white guy with this kind of record and lifestyle that he would have been free in the first place with the priors this guy had, and there is no chance he wouldn’t be doing at the very least over a decade for a manslaughter charge, but probably somewhere in the range of 15+ years at least for an out and out murder charge.
But this kind of thing happens all the time where an in cold blood murderer won’t even do real time because he’s black. You literally have to murder multiple people as a black guy to actually do any significant amount of time, unless you get nabbed with buckets of narcotics.
Similar to how Ron Paul understands that returning to the gold standard and dissolving the Federal Reserve will bring about a domino effect of good changes, so can activism for race-separate prisons.
It’s a modest and well defined goal, and its success would have compounding positive effects, beginning with white men losing fear of prison rape and becoming bolder and harder in confrontations.
The activism would be based on opposing cruel and unusual punishment.
Let’s remember that one of the rationales on which us government sold the Iraq invasion was on the cruelty of Baathist rape rooms. America has the real rape rooms; Saddam was an amateur in comparison.
Racial Wealth Gap: “…the median wealth of white households was $113,149; for black households, it was $5,677.”
I think the wealth gap can be completely explained by education, ambition & work ethic, professional network, conscientiousness, and criminal history. Aside from the latter, Whites have measurably more of each, on average. Paying cousin Latoya’s light bill a couple of times a year isn’t going to cause the wealth gap.
Maybe those NFL punters are gay themselves?
Lara 02/03/2013 at 12:41 pm
I’d like to hear from a black man why we should care. What do they contribute to society…
Athletes, musicians, criminals and illegitimate kids.
From the GMP vomitorium:
“I also feel that part of society’s seeming ambivalence towards the death of Black males is due to the role of Hollywood cinema and media. American culture is replete with cinematic images of Black men being brutalized and ultimately disposed. Consider the 1992 Oscar winning film “Unforgiven,” where Morgan Freeman’s character is beaten to death by the town sheriff played by Gene Hackman.”
Gene Hackman, you raciss!
@Rifleman: I’d like to hear from a black man why we should care. What do they contribute to society…
Athletes, musicians, criminals and illegitimate kids.
…STDs
Blacks don’t merely give more money to relatives (though they may well do that because they have proportionately more feckless relatives), they also spend money on non-durables much faster than whites. Look it up– at each income level, black women spend multiples more than white women on hairstyling, cosmetics, and fashion. Black men spend more on cars, grooming, and liquor. Blacks save less because they spend more, and generally on immediate rather than delayed gratification. The savings gap is just another proxy for the future-orientation gap.
“Look it up– at each income level, black women spend multiples more than white women on hairstyling, cosmetics, and fashion. Black men spend more on cars, grooming, and liquor. Blacks save less because they spend more, and generally on immediate rather than delayed gratification. The savings gap is just another proxy for the future-orientation gap.”
Of course they do. Whites pay for it. Their future orientation is “gimme dat.” Not that I want an economic collapse in the US, but it might teach some dark folk a lesson. Hell, probably not, but one can wish…
“Rich, educated blacks still play r&b with loud bass,
“From a rational dollars perspective, a sole black homeowner in a white neighborhood ought to be very against any more blacks moving in. On the other hand, more blacks make the area more culturally congenial to a “talented tenth flight” black.”
Yeahhh, boy!!! Gimme some of dat ol’ time riddim!
“From a rational dollars perspective, a sole black homeowner in a white neighborhood ought to be very against any more blacks moving in. On the other hand, more blacks make the area more culturally congenial to a “talented tenth flight” black.”
Regular readers beware: this is the point in which PA typically unveils his nuanced racial deconstruction of early ’80s Kool & the Gang videos, which deftly explicate the conundrum of our 21st-century racial here and now.
Precious stuff indeed!
Successful blacks often suffer financially from Big Man Syndrome — demands to support an ever expanding circle of relatives and hangers-on — which is prevalent in Africa.
Theodore Dalrymple, who practiced medicine in Africa in the 1970s, offers a sympathetic appraisal of the burdens of being a Big Man:
“The young black doctors who earned the same salary as we whites could not achieve the same standard of living for a very simple reason: they had an immense number of social obligations to fulfill. They were expected to provide for an ever expanding circle of family … and people from their village, tribe, and province.”
… Similarly, in John Updike’s African novel “The Coup,” when the dictator of Kush, Col. Ellelloû, visits the French colonial villa that his first and most traditional wife, the equivalent of Obama Sr.‘s Kezia, had seized and which was now populated by an entire village of his extended family from the Salu tribe, Updike explains (in a couple of sentences more convoluted than even Obama can produce):
“Nephews, daughters-in-law, totem brothers, sisters by second wives of half-uncles greeted Ellelloû, and all in that ironical jubilant voice implying what a fine rich joke, he, a Salu, had imposed upon the alien tribes in becoming the chief of this nation imagined by the white men, and thereby potentially appropriating all its spoils to their family use. For there lay no doubt, in the faces of these his relatives … that nothing the world could offer Ellelloû to drink, no nectar nor elixir, would compare with the love he had siphoned from their pool of common blood.”
Getting under your skin with that “talented tenth” stuff, aren’t I?
RE: “Getting under your skin”
Sort of —— but more an a intriguing than annoying way; as a former pop-music critic who’s always held a strong natural interest in racial matters, I’m sort of uniquely positioned to actually appreciate such an approach.
Still, the earnestness in which you used those rank pop videos to juxtapose ’80s- vs-’90 racial circumstances, is something I can’t help but find hysterical.
Keep it coming!
Pop culture is s reflection of wider culture. You don’t need to be ‘uniquely positioned’ to understand that.
“uniquely positioned”
Biracial people have the same limited perspective everyone else does. They are not some ultimate authority on racial matters.
I can easily put myself in a black person’s shoes and imagine what it’s like to be black. I’m assuming many of them can do the same with me. It isn’t that difficult.
I watched a documentary on prison rape. In every case it was black on white. I think that is a valid reason for segregating prisons. I’m not soft on criminals in any way, but I don’t want to live in a society where rape is considered a fair punishment.
I’d be more likely to jail white men if prisons were segregated. Prison is a good deterrent to bad behavior. It makes you realize how nice having freedom really is, and it is worth following rules for.
Biracial people have the same limited perspective everyone else does.
Everyone’s perspective is limited to their own nose.
The idea that non whites understand what it was like to be white, but the reverse was impossible, for whites to understand the how of being of browns and blacks, was pushed for awhile on daytime television ten years ago or so. Oprah probably.
A latina coworker said this to me – we would argue, for real – she was pretty smart, could think in the abstract; i taught her excel – that she knew what it was like to be white because she had to act white, everyday.
But it was false for one because she was allowed to complain on some double standard; which was in her favor: she had two modes of behavior to use, to her advantage as fit. The converse would be whitey acting black; and that is out there all the time, and these daze frequently situationally advanced.
So anyone can mimic or act the role of the other. But a real understanding is – and this point is much more difficult – impossible. The pervasion of this misunderstanding is reflected in the hypothetical argument for feeding the world, which you have heard a thousand times: What if i had been born a black baby?
The argument is based on the nonsense that a person would be the same person. If one were born a pig or rabbit, an ungulate or perhaps as a mold, one’s perspective, one’s nature of being, would be different. I would think. Then again there is no way of knowing that.
I can easily put myself in a black person’s shoes and imagine what it’s like to be black.
How could you know that your imagining (of what it is like) is accurate? The more likely possibility, and this is the realm of speculation, that there is a concession, from all parties, all races, toward a middle ground, a commons of consensual reality, expressed principally in acting (the acting everyone does around other people); which concessions allow for some measure of harmony.
These concessions take their toll; and what is gained from them. The willingness to concession, and what is gained from those concessions, would be different for each race, and in every inter and intra relationship between groups.
It is my impression that blacks are different, in how they exist. And this is touchy ground; it is patronizing on the one hand, and also somewhat fixated; but i believe insight has value, however whence. But to get to the point, they are more in touch with ecstatic being; sensuality without sex, sort of. See it in their faces. Look at the tambourine man in this Clapton video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7zoudZMxVE
Whereas the whites, in that video, bring a mastery of craft, but using the form of that music.
As a disclaimer, i do not like discussing Clapton videos, due to the aspect of cliche. As in, Rock and roll and the Blues, what is this, 1965? Perhaps these points are out of date; but were they ever resolved.
PA, Lara,
Agreed; I don’t think mixed folks are more racially perceptive; perhaps less so, since their perspective is rarer and not as reified by society-at-large…… re: “uniquely positioned.” I didn’t mean in the sense of ‘rarely precious’; rather, as someone who’s had to sit in a state-fair grandstand with a pen and a pad of paper while watching Kool & the Gang whip through cheezy medleys of their back catalog, it’s just sort of funny to me to see their videos given such rueful consideration.
I’m sorta jaded when it comes to pop music and pop culture, i guess.
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The willingness to concession, and what is gained thereby, would be different for each racial group involved – some gains this the other that; one group concedes in this way, the other that. Also the dynamic might involve more than two race groups; then the concessions and gains would be different.
Elaborating here because this is not too obscure; forget the fancy formulation. Talking about riding the bus. A concession from a white might be lowering the eyes; which eventually takes a toll on status. The gain is no conflict on the ride (and the experience of vibrancy). The concession from a black is restraining his animal nature, and the gain is the bus route.
@Suburban_elk,
Interesting comment re. racial empathies; I agree and have come up with similar thoughts, though not as thoroughly expressed. I too have thought at times that blacks are more ‘in touch’ with essential/primal experience —– yet I too am also hesitant to propose as much for said reasons of patronization and stereotype. Touchy a matter, it is!
“As a disclaimer, i do not like discussing Clapton videos, due to the aspect of cliche. As in, Rock and roll and the Blues, what is this, 1965? Perhaps these points are out of date; but were they ever resolved.”
Exactly! No, they weren’t really resolved. Rather, they’ve been built and elaborated upon, e.g., Eminem, but the fundamental impetus remains unexplained, IMHO.
I understood what you meaty by ‘uniquely positioned’ – it was an appeal to your insider industry knowledge. As to the ‘Cherish’ video, I used it as an example of good racial attitudes rather than ‘rueful.’