Pew Social & Demographic Trends has interesting data on the three big immigration waves in American history.
The report on second-generation Americans concludes:
Some scholars of immigration have questioned whether today’s immigrants and their offspring will be able to match the high levels of intergenerational upward mobility experienced by much of the immigrant stock of the 19th and early 20th centuries.7
The skeptics cite many factors: Most modern immigrants are non-white and thus face deeply ingrained social and cultural barriers; about a quarter of today’s immigrants (the vast majority of whom are Hispanic) have arrived illegally and thus must navigate their lives in the shadows of the law; globalization and technology may have eliminated many of the jobs that provided pathways to the middle class for earlier generations of hard-working but low-skilled immigrants; the relative ease of travel and communication have enabled today’s immigrants to retain their ties to their countries of origin and may have reduced incentives to adapt to American customs and mores.
It is beyond the scope of this report to make definitive statements about the success of today’s second-generation immigrants compared with those of earlier eras. Most of our data trends do not extend that far back in history. Moreover, with so many of today’s second generation just now starting to age into adulthood (16 million are under the age of 18), and with more than a million new immigrants continuing to arrive each year, it will take decades before one can attempt a comprehensive generational scorecard of the modern wave of immigrants and their children.
If people who oppose large scale Hispanic immigration turn out to be correct it won’t matter anyway. The damage will have been done.
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There is already plenty of data on that question. See, for example: http://books.google.com/books/about/Generations_of_exclusion.html?id=h8sNJHWOIBcC
The reason they aren’t assimilating (like our forefathers did) is because the public schools weren’t dominated by anti-American, male-hating, white liberals back then. It’s that class who’s rotting our culture from the inside out, not the immigrants coming into it.
All the census data suggests that American-born men marrying foreign-born women is practically all that’s holding any semblance of a family structure together. We need MORE immigration, not less. But we need to kick the white liberals out of power first.
Most modern immigrants are non-white and thus face deeply ingrained social and cultural barriers;
Snort!!
Each wave has been a significant decline from the previous. The only wave left to come is out of Africa, and come it shall. Really, where the hell is that asteroid when you need it?
Really interested to hear your thoughts on Aaron Swartz:
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/02/aaron_swartz_he_wanted_to_save_the_world_why_couldn_t_he_save_himself.single.html
I’m getting a strong sense of liberal idealism from him, with a little blank slatism thrown in (a necessary component of all leftists I suppose).
Eric, I respectfully disagree. I think that foreign born men married to foreign born women do even better than American born men married to foreign born women in terms of having a successful marriage.
“it will take decades before one can attempt a comprehensive generational scorecard of the modern wave of immigrants and their children.”
No, that’s a popular view in DC, NYC, and Boston, but Mexican communities in other parts of the U.S. range from several generations old in Chicago to several centuries old in New Mexico.
No, it does matter if we were right all along with spic immigration. The answer is divorce. There is no Murka anymore. Now the question is, who do you want to live with?
The post-65 wave of immigration is the first to arrive in the politically correct environment. Much more is catered to them in MD offices and courts as far as translators. The nation bends to them instead of forcing them to bend to the nation. My native French speaking greatgrandparents had to learn English to get a decent job. It forced them to learn perfect english in one generation, have no accent in 2 and I know nothing of the language despite being half French.
In response to… “post-65 wave of immigration is the first to arrive in the politically correct environment” and “The reason they aren’t assimilating (like our forefathers did) is because the public schools weren’t dominated by anti-American, male-hating, white liberals back then.”
… none of those factors make much difference except on the margins and only temporarily when you suddenly have an immigration wave that is of a different race.
The myth of the American melting pot worked because the European immigrants intermarried freely with the native Anglo/Celtic stock, with geographic inertia being the only reason we still have remnants of Scandinavian or Italian communities in the US.
And why did they intermarry freely? Because being of the same race, their women were equivalent attractive on average.
Blacks had been here since Jamestown, and still haven’t assimilated.
There doesn’t seem to be much of a shared culture to even assimilate our immigrants into. I don’t think we even give them any clear idea of what they are supposed to be doing to assimilate.
“I don’t think we even give them any clear idea of what they are supposed to be doing to assimilate.”
Oh but ‘we’ do. ‘We’ clearly tell low-functioning immigrants to assimilate into the gibsmedat black ghetto culture, the so-so functioning immigrants into materialistic mcmansion and minivan culture, and the high-functioning immigrants into a leftist hate-whites culture.
Greetings GLPiggy,
I’m thinking that feminism/egalitarianism may be a big component on why assimilation is quite tough in NYC, Boston, San Francisco, Austin and other big liberal cities and on both Coasts.
Feminism = Egalitarianism, which fuels Class divisions and cultural divisions. Which is why when multiculturalism and diversity increases, it doesn’t mean assimilation, it just means more diversity and more segregation in big cities.
Think of a rich white/Asian liberal man and his opinions are almost like the comment SC left above and I quote:
“ SC 02/07/2013 at 11:31 pm Eric, I respectfully disagree. I think that foreign born men married to foreign born women do even better than American born men married to foreign born women in terms of having a successful marriage. ”
This is all SWPL professional power couple speak: “non-abusive”, “successful marriage”, “equals”, etc.
A lot of rich Redneck/Country Club/White Christian/Cowboy George W. Bush types are not necessarily repulsed to having babies with Mexican women. Note that I said babies and not marriage, because most Hispanic women have bastard/illegitimate children anyways, and most of them still marry white women of their own class.
Which is why Hispanic women in Texas and Florida are more assimilated, cuter and look whiter than Mexican women in CA, MA or NY. The illegals are a huge problem though.
Blacks had been here since Jamestown, and still haven’t assimilated.
Good point. Also some Hispanics have assimilated, but others are quite segregated.
I’m just saying that this phenomenon is biggest where liberalism and feminism rules.
You look at Brazil with 50% being White, and 50% being mixed Indian/Black/White. The European male explorers in the 17th/18th/19th century who raped their Indian and Black female slaves did the right thing. Couple that with the European wave of immigration in 1920′s to 1950′s, which made the whites there even more white.
In Brazil it was called “perfecting the race” or “whitening the race”.
-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-race_Brazilian
According to some[who?] Historians, Portuguese settlers in Brazil used to prefer to marry Portuguese-born females. If not possible, the second option were Brazilian-born females of recent Portuguese background. The third option were Brazilian-born women of distant Portuguese ancestry. However, the number of White females in Brazil was very low during the Colonial period, causing a large number of interracial relationships in the country.[12]
White/Black relationships in Brazil started as early as the first Africans were brought as slaves in 1550 where many portuguese men starting marrying black women. The Mulattoes (people of White/Black ancestry) were also enslaved[citation needed], though some children of rich aristocrats and owners of gold mines were educated and became important people in Colonial Brazil[citation needed]. Probably, the most famous case was Chica da Silva, a mixed-race Brazilian slave[citation needed] who married[citation needed] a rich gold mine owner and became one of the richest people in Brazil.[13][not in citation given]
Has the European genome been eradicated from Brazil? Nope (partly thanks to the early 20th century wave of immigration). And I quote:
According to another autosomal DNA study from 2009, the Brazilian population, in all regions of the country, was also found out to be predominantly European: “all the Brazilian samples (regions) lie more closely to the European group than to the African populations or to the Mestizos from Mexico”.[21] According to it the total European, African and Native American contributions to the Brazilian population are:
Region[21]
North Region 60,6% European 21,3% African 18,1% Native American
Northeast Region 66,7% European 23,3% African 10,0% Native American
Central-West Region 66,3% European 21,7% African 12,0% Native American
Southeast Region 60,7% European 32,0% African 7,3% Native American
South Region 81,5% European 9,3% African 9,2% Native American
Big thanks for the European men who raped their Black/Indian female slaves and had illegitimate children with them.
T5FC6, I made my statement not because of any allusions to equality or SWPLdom. I am in fact as far away from being a SWPL as one can imagine. Also, I made the comment I did because I really do think that an American man married to, say, an Asian immigrant woman won’t be as likely to stay together as two Asian immigrants from the same country married to each other. Two Asian immigrants from the same country would have a shared cultural upbrining, same language, etc. Therefore Asian immigrants are probably best off marrying each other so that they can have the best chance of staying married and having a nuclear family.
SC;
You’re probably right, the divorce rate for American men/foreign women is around 15%. I’m sure it’s lower among immigrant couples.Still that 15% is far better odds than with an Amerobitch (60+%)
PA:
‘Blacks have been here since Jamestown, and still haven’t assimilated.’
They were slaves in Jamestown until 1865. The segregationist laws enforced until the 1960s weren’t exactly conducive to assimiliation either. And since then, affirmative action and leftist education hasn’t helped.
IOW, maybe we should give them a chance to assimilate for once.
Black American culture is almost entirely derived from European culture. They may have distorted it but it still has it’s origins with European people. What people see as black people not assimilating is really their genetic characteristics. Black people may say they hate white people but then they use European names, buy blond wigs, wear jeans and t-shirts, etc.
The entire globe has been assimilating toward European ways for centuries now. East Asians go to violin practice instead of gong practice. Indians where suits and ties to work instead of draped cloth. The list goes on and on. At the end of the day races are not replaceable no matter how much assimilation happens. White people want non-white people to act like them so they can ignore the fact that they are being pushed out of the way by non-white people because they are in a situation where they can’t act or else face prison time and because their own government won’t preserve the environment their ancestors created.
The second wave gave your Calvanists something to play with.
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Eric, I would generally agree with you although I would like to see some statistics regarding divorce rates for American born man w/American born woman vs. American born man w/foreign born women. Anyways, there are also some White communities in America that have it right when it comes to keeping families together such as Amish, Orthodox Jews, Mormons, etc. So I think that White religious minorities plus immigrant communities are the only subcultures within America that have somehow kept their families together.