I’ve been reading the book Waiter Rant by Steve Dublanica. Dublanica started waiting tables at an upscale place in NYC at the age of 31 and ended up writing a book about his experiences. A lot of his insights and exchanges apply across all types of restaurants. His insight that a server gets to interact with people when they are engaged very intimately with their families, friends, or significant others is something that has always fascinated me about the business. The server generally has to balance between being some sort of family friend but then also just a servant. If I’m waiting on you but don’t know you outside of this hour long relationship I still migth see you in a setting that people who you see on a daily basis – friends, coworkers, less immediate family – don’t.
Also, Dublanica related a funny bit from a New Year’s Eve when a woman at one of his last tables looked at him sort of funny at the end of the meal. He couldn’t figure out why but as he laid down to go to sleep it popped into his head that he forgot that particular woman’s third Cosmo. I can relate to that.
What I’m finding maddening about Rant though is the fact that he whines and complains about a great many things, yet he tells stories about pulling $1200 nights. The book reminds me of the New York waiter version of Girls.
Anyway, I decided to look up Dublanica’s thoughts on one of my favorite topics. From an interview he gave in 2008:
You outline the many types of tippers — the “verbal tipper,” for instance, who praises your service, but then only tips you 8 percent — but you don’t discuss race, like so many waiter blogs do. Did you think of going there?
I was looking at statistics and studies. They sounded very patronizing: They said a lot of African-Americans tip less than their Caucasian counterparts because they’re not exposed to white-tablecloth dining at the same levels. I read that, and something in it was making me go, “Uh, there’s something wrong with how that study was set up.” When I started, people said, “Black people are not going to tip. Chinese aren’t going to tip.” But what I noticed is that there are far fewer African-Americans going out to eat in white-tablecloth restaurants than Caucasians. The ones who have shafted me for nine years are Anglo-Saxon men.
No women, I guess.
Thankfully, Dublanica did look further into those studies and spoke to the same guy I’ve cited many times, Cornell’s Dr. Michael Lynn. In his 2010 book Keep the Change, Dublanica took a premise that he admittedly resisted on grounds that he was open-minded and threw all sorts of questions and possibilities at Dr. Lynn. But Lynn basically rebutted all of the exculpatory arguments Dublanica could muster, and Dublanica was forced to concede that the myth is true.
Dublanica should watch out though. I’ve been down this path, and look where it’s led me.
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And since aftershocks of the Applebee’s saga are still rippling through the blogosphere, it’s worth pointing out that an article posted at both Salon and AlterNet asks the question of whether church-goers are less generous and make lousy tippers. At least some data is available, but the Salon writer didn’t care to look it up. Instead she bandied myths and anecdotes but without the skepticism of Dublanica when people told him that blacks are lousy tippers. That’s how it always goes.
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At a certain point, it’s just a matter of religion to these people that you can’t criticize blacks.
I don’t know any way to deal with them other than to try to shame and embarass them with objective facts.
it’s just a matter of religion to these people that you can’t criticize blacks
It’s a bizarre thing really. One of two impulses drives this: either whites worship blacks as superior godlike ubermenschen or they profoundly pity them.
Is it the former? you could say so, given how “numinous negro” blacks are now stand-ins for moral superiority and you can’t touch any tentacle of mass media without seeing a black face. But I don’t think so. If whites truly worshipped blacks they would seek them out as neighbors and son-in-laws. And obviously the opposite thing happens. Then it must be the former: whites pity blacks on a near-religious level. I’ve elaborated on that before. Either way, both impulses — black worship and black pity are a sickness.
What I think is interesting is that he singles out Anglo-Saxons. First off, Anglo-Saxons no longer make up the majority of the clientele at, say, upscale NY restaurants. Second, I question how well he would have been able to tell Anglo-Saxons apart from other (white) upscale restaurant-goers, and for that matter, whether he actually tried to do so. It seems to me that he made perhaps the only statement more politically correct than “I was shafted by white men.” Though, I suppose he could have made it a bit more politically correct by calling them cis-gendered, heterosexual, and non-trans too.
My rule of thumb is to tip 20% for good service, 25% or more for exceptional service, and 15% for mediocre/sub-par service. I’ve not had a very bad experience where I would have considered not leaving a tip; but then again I’m optimistic by nature. I start every restaurant encounter from the position that my waiter/waitress wants to please and do a good job. As the dinner progresses, I weigh all the cues/service performance to form an opinion for what I should leave when finished. I’d say my experience is about 80% good (20% tip), 17% great (25% or more), and 3% mediocre (15%) over 27 years. Ironically, the only “bad” experience I’ve had was with a very surly attendant at a Popeye’s Chicken drive-through. This person had such a chip on her shoulder that by the time I got to the window, I took her through a maze of questions and finally said, “No thanks, I don’t want your food.” That was 5 years ago, and I still remember the experience clearly.
@PA – agree about the pity. What’s weird is they voted for one. Granted, in every essential but complection he’s a very privileged and connected white Ivy man, but the complection is still there.
I think in their minds, he may be a TV character. Government is a media spectacle. They don’t fully grasp that it’s real.
It is negro worship. That’s the state religion of the US. Every sunday, millions of Murkans turn to their TVs and for several hours, revel in the brilliance of the magical negro. Some even worship other days of the week, watching basketball and baseball.
Maybe I’m too cynical, but I think data does and doesn’t matter to a lot of people. If it supports their a priori beliefs or experiences that they accept it as true. I also think that if the data doesn’t support their beliefs that people will dismiss it or do some hand-waving to explain it away.
e.g. People saying Blacks don’t know how to tip, or racism justifies it like some in the book excerpt, or blaming it on the wealth differences between races, etc. I just wish more people were interested in the truth or and not posturing or signalling.
It is an odd relationship between waiter and customer. With my pattern of dining, I try to be courteous and friendly because I know I’ll be back again and possibly run into that waiter. It’s part of why I tip closer to 20%. I’m an extrovert so I try to joke and include them but not with a subject that is a very personal one.
Given PA’s two choices, I vote pity at absurd levels in an effort to separate themselves for the ‘legacy of slavery’ that they accuse the other whites of. They constantly bring up slavery, Jim Crow and racism, but simultaneously need to separate themselves from it. I’d add patronizing before the pity as well.
agree about the pity. What’s weird is they voted for one
It’s still pity. Look at how they react to legitimate criticisms levied at him — like they’re protecting a retarded kid with a Special Olympics trophy from mean realists who’d tell him the trophy is a tard-prize given out in charity. That’s not to say that the president is retarded; rather, it’s to say that libs are extremely driven by a subconscious force to be protective of any criticism or argument that would in their eyes destroy the delicate ego-saving (in their eyes) illusion of blacks’ equal humanity.
pity at absurd levels in an effort to separate themselves for the ‘legacy of slavery’
It’s way deeper than that. By historic standards slavery wasn’t shit in North America, and Jim Crow was the best shot blacks had at attaining civilization. As I’ve elaborated earleir, Europeans have a glitch or a fatal flaw wherein they pity the African as innatey depraved – in soul, mind and body. This reaction goes back to missionaries who visited the Dark Continent. And its not just libs who feel his, We all do in unguarded moments and from positions of comfort. It’s only when the white man is exposed to the black’s fully liberated aggression and ego that his pity transforms to hate.
One of two impulses drives this: either [1] whites worship blacks as superior godlike ubermenschen or [2] they profoundly pity them.
The answer is 2b: It’s almost purely status signalling to distinguish themselves from the wrong kind of white people. It isn’t driven by true pity, which you can tell by their indifference to the disproportionate number of blacks murdered every year.
It’s neither; on the one hand they exhibit a rational understanding of the darkies fragile grasp of self control, get too many white people calling them out on their bullshit and the darkies will find a reason to throw another temper tantrum that results in millions of $’s property damage and tax bills that they have to pay. On the other hand, the darkie serves as a good method to keep the whites who could threaten them in business down, if your a mid manager at Acme Corporation, better to get the best darkie around who can do the job needed but most likely can’t go much higher, put a white man in the job and he’s a competitive threat in most cases.
Really it’s fear in both instances and I’ll stay with that, cowards deny reality.
Imagine a day with no blacks.
That question sounded more like a bit of entrepreneurial progressivism rather than anything sincerely relating to black people.
Policing the discourse?
The interviewer knows that black people are lousy tippers and the interviewer knows that every waiter notices this and complains about it. This guy has a book and is a waiter so the alarm bells go off the interviewer’s head – DANGER POSSIBLE THOUGHT CRIMINAL, so he asks the writer a question designed to tease out thought crime. The author gives back a load of horseshit and so the interviewer is satisfied that this guy is an emasculated liar and so people can be permitted to read his book of trivial observations. Hey it’s possible that this guy’s observations will even serve the narrative – “look at how evil the wrong kind of whites are”.
Where are the “wrong” whites coming from in an expensive Manhattan restaurant? SWPLs are very mentally flexible and will simply attribute all misbehavior to the wrong kind of whites if they don’t have evidence to the contrary. If they do have evidence that someone is the right kind of white and he misbehaves they’ll just ignore it. Look at the recent tipping to-do about the black woman who was a pastor. The progressives all heard the dog whistle in the story – “STORY OF WRONG WHITE MISBEHAVING” and said so in the comments. If the reports mentioned that the miscreant was a black woman the story wouldn’t have been noticed because it would be “unremarkable”, i.e., doesn’t serve the narrative.
The problem with a bunch of stories that portray black people truthfully and show them to be inferior in the mind of the reader is that it becomes part of the background. Too many things like that in the background that don’t fit the narrative (blacks misbehaving in expensive restaurants – not easy to blame on poverty) and the narrative collapses. The interviewer is doing his part to protect his narrative.
If the narrative isn’t true then progressives might be one of the most evil, blood soaked group of humans to have lived.
“Europeans have a glitch or a fatal flaw wherein they pity the African as innatey depraved – in soul, mind and body. This reaction goes back to missionaries who visited the Dark Continent. And its not just libs who feel his, We all do in unguarded moments and from positions of comfort. It’s only when the white man is exposed to the black’s fully liberated aggression and ego that his pity transforms to hate.”
Essentialist woogie-ism, anyone? One of your own, P.A., the pole Joseph Conrad tackled this nonsensical posit over 110 years ago in “Nigger of the Narcissus.”
“This reaction goes back to missionaries who visited the Dark Continent. And its not just libs who feel his, We all do in unguarded moments and from positions of comfort. It’s only when the white man is exposed to the black’s fully liberated aggression and ego that his pity transforms to hate.”
P.A., if there weren’t already a race and phenotype designated as society’s “niggers,’ then who do you think would pick up the mantle? From his early colonial, Old World-vs.-New-World perspective, Conrad himself feared it was Poles and Russians.
Take any given society and its members will divide and distinguish itself —– and there’s always a designated ‘nigger’ class.
“it’s to say that libs are extremely driven by a subconscious force to be protective of any criticism or argument that would in their eyes destroy the delicate ego-saving (in their eyes) illusion of blacks’ equal humanity.”
Ironically enought, and if I was given to making essentialist pronouncements, I might say that the tragic white intellectual reflex is to equate increments of ‘intelligence’ or civilizational achievement’ with, accordingly, higher increments of “humanity.”
Blacks ARE equal humanity; you’re either human or your not. Human superiority and human inferiority, too, are myths.
BTW, so is the liberal shibboleth of ‘parity.’
I feel sorry for underclass blacks (which is a significant number of them), who are never going to be able to assimilate into mainstream culture, and have one problem after another in life. I don’t feel sorry for the higher class ones. Their lives are usually pretty good.
– “Conrad himself feared it was Poles and Russians.”
The go-to for the Indians and blacks I’ve clashed with in flamewars was to point to my ‘lesser-white’ background and say, ‘watch it, you’re a darkie like us so drop the uppity white act.’ ‘Sorry guys,’ I’d say to them, ‘you wish. I’m not your great white anti-white hope.’
Anyway, Conrad’s fear never came true. Polish-American SWPLs are part of the same overclass that lords over American and European Anglo-Celtic/Germanic non-elites. I know, I deal with those libs on Polish-language blogs and in real life.
I guess you could say that America’s bombing of Serbia was evidence of Slavic niggerhood. After all, would America have bombed Paris? … but really, America does a lot worse to its own people. Chris Newsom and Channon Christian were high-blood Nord-Celtics.
– “Blacks ARE equal humanity; you’re either human or your not.”
Vanessa Coleman is not human. Vanessa Coleman of Knoxville, TN notoriety is an animal to be put to sleep. People who support her in racial solidarity aren’t human either.
But you’re doing a high-toned version of the ancient black pity party jig. Note that my original comment did not touch blacks’ humanity. Such airy metaphysics bore me. I was describing the thinking of white libs vis a vis blacks.
And drop the indignant act. Google ‘Kayla Peterson’ in Beaver Falls, PA and tell me, how do you tell a two year old child that mama is never coming back?
And then go to Knoxville and lay flowers on Chris and Channon’s graves.
“And since aftershocks of the Applebee’s saga are still rippling through the blogosphere, it’s worth pointing out that an article posted at both Salon and AlterNet asks the question of whether church-goers are less generous and make lousy tippers.”
I wonder if there is any correlation to socioeconomic background with this. I know most poor people don’t tend to go to fancy restaurants, but I also know that a decent number of religious people don’t tend to be wealthy/earn a lot of money. I wonder if the real correlation has more to do with socioeconomic background than with religiosity. For example, a fairly well-to-do restaurant-goer who is Christian might be more likely to simply tip well instead of leaving religious pamphlets; conversely, a poorer restaurant-goer who is Christian might simply leave a pamphlet instead of a tip because that’s pretty much all he can afford to do, while rationalizing this behavior on the grounds that salvation is more important than money. In this hypothetical, religious people have the connotation of being poor tippers because the wealthier Christians simply tips well instead of advertising his religious beliefs while the poorer Christians advertises his religious beliefs instead of actually tipping. I don’t know how often this could hypothetically be the case, but it might be worth looking into.
Russians and Poles seem different to me, even though they are both Slavic. They do like the same food. There generally isn’t much Anglo-Polish animosity. Poles have said they feel more welcome in England than Germany or France. The biggest difference would be that Anglos are Protestants and Poles are Catholic. Poles don’t tend to be in your face Catholics the way some Irish can be.
Imperial Russia had a culture that was equal to anything seen in England. I think they just also have a lot of drunken peasants.
Nietzsche from The Antichrist:
Beyond Nietzsche’s ‘tonic emotions’ by which he means emotions that strengthen the holder individually; the ancient Greeks had the notion of catharsis, which is specifically a strong emotional reaction to theater. This strong emotional reaction is meant to purge one of uncontrolled emotions, as an emotional pressure release valve. The theater was the socially (and at one time religiously) acceptable place to feel pity, so that elsewhere one could dry their eyes and stiffen their lips.
It’s an interesting explanation, and for some emotions it’s valid. In general though the reality behind what was happening is that people like to inflict misery on themselves via pity so that when they turn their eye away from the piteous subject the negative emotions are fled and there is a false feeling of having accomplished something by being rewarded with an improved emotional state.
As far as the conjecture about the absence of blacks leading to another piteous group taking their place, that’s doubtfully true for various reasons. For one no race is as objectively as piteous as blacks are, and few members of the white race look so alien as to be recognizable at a glance. I might theoretically pity Poles (if they were theoretically piteous in America) but I probably can’t do it very easily because of the level of abstraction required in looking at too phenotypically similar people and determining them to be essentially different. It doesn’t matter if they are in reality essentially different, just that they can’t be determined to be so with casual senses means that pity will have to be more tightly restricted to pity parties.
Homogeneous pity, although I’m generally opposed to it, is obviously more adaptive than the pity of the other as the other. It’s much more likely that if another group took the place of blacks it would have to be some non-white, and if there were only whites then the pitied group would be both less defined ethnically, and also less pitied in general for this reason. The pity we feel for close family is safer than the pity we feel for strangers. In a way we are more comfortable with tough love when it comes to those that are tied to us
Virtually all European peoples and even many Middle Eastern caucasoids are always going to be seen as co-ethnics by whites in America, any subcultural idiosyncrasies not withstanding, and white Americans, while they might in theory pity some as a group in an abstract way (like they do the Irish) in practice their pity will be more familial and therefore less pronounced and divisive.
I’d say the exception to this would be if a white-looking ethnic group were to somehow both superficially assimilate to reap those benefits inclusion while retaining their own exclusive subculture and simultaneously inculcating a special brand of ethnically specific pity that is almost completely independent with their actual status in society.
But that’s not very likely. It would require an almost complete control of the media, and warped, and pernicious siege mentality. What are the chances of something like that happening?
I’d say the exception to this would be if a white-looking ethnic group were to somehow both superficially assimilate to reap those benefits inclusion while retaining their own exclusive subculture and simultaneously inculcating a special brand of ethnically specific pity that is almost completely independent with their actual status in society.
But that’s not very likely. It would require an almost complete control of the media, and warped, and pernicious siege mentality. What are the chances of something like that happening?
Michael Collins Piper’s internet radio show is surprisingly good on all that. It helps that MCP is unusually
charming and witty and has devoted his entire adult life to critiquing the power of the YKW in America.
“Russians and Poles seem different to me, even though they are both Slavic”
Shit, don’t tell them that.
“The go-to for the Indians and blacks I’ve clashed with in flamewars was to point to my ‘lesser-white’ background and say, ‘watch it, you’re a darkie like us so drop the uppity white act.’ ‘Sorry guys,’ I’d say to them, ‘you wish. I’m not your great white anti-white hope.’”
And that wasn’t my ‘hope,’ as I’m in no-way anti-white. Moreso, I was implying: be careful watch you wish for, because once you get rid of a given society’s ‘nigger,’ then begins the impulse to discover and declare its proxy.
“I guess you could say that America’s bombing of Serbia was evidence of Slavic niggerhood.
There you go, my underclass comrade bro! (joking)
“Vanessa Coleman is not human. Vanessa Coleman of Knoxville, TN notoriety is an animal to be put to sleep. People who support her in racial solidarity aren’t human either.”
Check: Coleman is a human being who committed a blatantly inhuman and animalistic act. And fuk if I ‘support her in racial solidarity.’ On certain days, I feel confident that I would pull the switch on her day of execution.
I make the academic dinstinction solely for the purpose of not essentializing her, which you too would do if you happened to be an outlier. (though Coleman hardly represents the black aggregate). I’ve said at OneSTDV.com and other places that nothing makes me feel more neutered and empty then when I have to deal with gross acts of NAM pathology; call it reflexive self-protection, but I don’t want to be painted with that brush and it’s hard for me to believe that someone really would have to seriously wonder why.
Fuck if I’m going to accept being called a racially partisan apologist. B.S. to that.
“But you’re doing a high-toned version of the ancient black pity party jig. Note that my original comment did not touch blacks’ humanity. Such airy metaphysics bore me. I was describing the thinking of white libs vis a vis blacks.”
It bores me too. I re-read your original comment. Ok, it’s metaphorical. Yet i interpreted it literally on first read. I’m willing to stand corrected. For the record, I don’t in any way condone instances of cloying pity by white libs on self-defeating black pathology —— but in truth I don’t see too many of said instances, either.
“And drop the indignant act. Google ‘Kayla Peterson’ in Beaver Falls, PA and tell me, how do you tell a two year old child that mama is never coming back?”
I wasn’t feigning indignance; in fact, I didn’t feel much —— and whatever I did was attached to a sense of racial essentializing —– not denying racial disproportions in the aggregate. I think that was clear in my comment and in many earlier comments of mine here and elsewhere.
“And then go to Knoxville and lay flowers on Chris and Channon’s graves.”
Very cheap shot; nothing I’ve ever said on any blog in which we’ve encountered each other, could you say that I in any way whatsoever reduce or racially politicize such atrocities.
I’ve dealt with parents of elementary age students whose children have been killed; been with them when they’ve had to identify the bodies: white-on-black and, much more frequently, black-on-black. Please cite some specific examples of cowardly racial grandstanding by me before you insult me in such a way.
edit: should read in last paragraph of last comment: “BLACK-on-white and, much more frequently, black-on-black.” (yes, I could count on one hand with fingers to spare the number of ‘white-on-black’ assaults).
Jonathan Haidt covers the topic of whether religious people are more charitable/generous in his book The Righteous Mind. The answer is: Yes, they are more charitable, but their charitable efforts are geared towards their immediate group.*
Think about Romney for example, who has in fact been extremely charitable towards the Mormon church. Liberals were very quick to dismiss this because it’s to a church he belongs to, but that’s typical Liberal/Leftist double standards and hatred.
Haidt’s book is actually quite interesting and I highly recommend anyone reading these comments picks it up. Haidt himself is a liberal but he actually comes across as somewhat reasonable because he has exposed himself to a world outside of liberal/leftist craziness. I believe that many of the positions he would argue we should take because of our desire to “Care” for supposedly disadvantaged members of society are bunk, for example, as these positions are based on false premises or faulty information (that all people are “equal,” that we have infinite resources to allocate) but the book is pretty fascinating and a light read to boot.
* After reading Haidt’s book and thinking about it, I actually come to wonder whether large charitable organizations are actually effective at solving the problems of their charitable causes. The more I think about it, the less I believe in the efficacy of widely dispersed national or transnational charities to do anything beyond poorly redistributing fish.
- “once you get rid of a given society’s ‘nigger,’ then begins the impulse to discover and declare its proxy”
Kyle addresses this earlier upthread. Nonetheless, it looks like you may be partly right and we do have proxy ‘niggers’ in non-elite Anglo whites. One pattern you’ll notice in news stories of blacks who murder whites where ‘eracing’ didn’t occur is the editorial tack of degrading the murdered or assaulted white person by suggesting their complicity in the the attack, or even a class-kinship with ghetto blacks.
Typical example: white man leaves a restaurant. A party of blacks taunts him and he shoots back with ‘what the hell do you want from me’ after which they proceed to stomp him into brain damage. The news reports slant the story to make it sound like he provoked them. His sister later angrily denounces this misrepresentation of facts. There were several such cases of blaming the victim. Some also insinuate that the victim was ‘racist’ of called said ‘nigger.’ See Omar Thornton’s victims.
Or Kayla Peterson, whose murder is described as ‘a fight over a cigarette.’ In other words, a black teenage punk was pestering a woman, she told him to get lost, so he shoots her. The press then drags get down to the ghetto level.
Another such example was a college girl who parked at a store and an unknown ghetto black shoots and kills her as she’s getting out of her car. The press insinuated that he was her boyfriend. Her father denounced that furiously.
So there you go: we do have proxy niggers. With the unnatural elevation of blacks to superman status, Kayla Peterson is the new nigger.
- “gross acts of NAM pathology; call it reflexive self-protection, but I don’t want to be painted with that brush”
On a personal level you aren’t. But remember that the anti-racist revolution was spearheaded by a premise that all white people are tainted with the original sin of racism. This assumption of innate white depravity is the law of the land in every way that matters, so undoing the anti-white lie requires some counter-broadbrushing.
- “cloying pity by white libs on self-defeating black pathology ——but in truth I don’t see too many of said instances, either.”
Every time a published writer refuses to notice that black patrons tip poorly, you see an instance of white liberal pity for the African.
I think Nikcrit is right, that the vast majority of African Americans are disgusted by Vanessa Coleman. The blacks I know aren’t elite or ghetto, and I can’t see them wanting anything to do with her. Maybe black people need to articulate that more to the rest of us. I remember being really surprised and angry when I saw all those black people jumping up and down and cheering when O.J. was acquitted. Black America can’t afford to have any more displays like that.
Maybe decent black folk assume we know they are nothing like Vanessa Coleman. I wouldn’t assume that. Many white people don’t know black people well, and don’t know what you talk about when we’re not around. It might seem unfair, but when you are part of a minority that has people like Vanessa in it, it is probably a good idea to clearly distance yourself.
Lara,
I agree, but at the same time, I also see the point that P.A. is making: I’m concerned about being swiped with that proverbial ‘broad brush,’ (e.g., “essentializing”), while he’s noting —– correctly —- that some of the p.c. conventions that have crept into the mainstream since the ’60s are no so extreme, pervasive and contextualized, that the only way to counter such heavy indoctrination and propagandizing is to return fire with equal measures.
It’s complicated; a real bitch you could say.
C.R.,
My apologies for going a bit off-topic here, even though this subject is sort-of meta to the aims of your blog, and it IS so pervasive a trend that it infects just about any social topic that plays on race.
Poles are 100% Europeans, Russians are mostly not. The pre-1918 Russian imperial class, that is rightfully celebrated as one of the world’s great cultures, was heavily German-Polish-Scandinavian in ethnic composition, and was decimated by the Revolution. In the Soviet period the scientific and cultural elites also tended to be anything other than ethnic Russian – Georgian, Armenian, Tatar, Jewish, Ukrainian, etc. The ethnic Russian lower classes today outside of Moscow are every bit as disfunctional as African-Americans, and share the same disfunctions – violence, sexually profligate, peacocking, heavy drug abuse, poor self discipline, etc. The similarities are so striking that when I lived in Russia I really questioned the whole HBD premise – if white people can act this way, isn’t a cultural explanation more likely than a biological one? The real answer may be more depressing though – it may be that centuries of serfdom have selected for similar traits among Russian peasants that American slavery selected for – physical strength, lack of initiative and short time horizons.
Peter,
That’s interesting and what I’ve observed. I think Ukrainian and Russian women would be the most likely to marry American men and move to the United States, due to the lousy conditions in their country and low quality of men.
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