Amanda Hess is out with a very Slate-like post about North Dakota’s low teenage pregnancy rate. Actually, let me be frank: this is the dumbest fucking post I’ve read all year:
A new Guttmacher Institute report has good news on teen pregnancy: As has been the case for the past 20 years, it remains on the decline throughout the United States. But the new numbers (culled from 2008 and 2010 data) also present a puzzle for politicians. Teen pregnancy rates remain highest in New Mexico, Mississippi, Texas, Nevada, Arkansas, and Arizona. They’re lowest in progressive enclaves like New Hampshire, Vermont, Minnesota, Massachusetts, and in one lone red state—North Dakota.
How does North Dakota do it, Hess asks:
So it’s not prophylactics. But it could be petroleum. The explosion of fracking has created thousands of North Dakota jobs and imported single young men by the truckload to fill them. That’s helped the state perform better on two major indicators of teen pregnancy: Rates go down in places with low economic inequality and a high ratio of men to women. You might think there would be higher rates of teen pregnancy with more seed floating around, but research suggests that women are more likely to delay pregnancy when they perceive future opportunities to climb the social and economic ranks—to get an education, a job, and a committed partner who benefits from the same.
Hess suggests an additional factor:
Oil isn’t the only geographical feature driving down teen pregnancy. In 1988, far before the Bakken oil field was tapped, the state’s rate was the lowest in the nation. It could help that North Dakota is very large, and sparsely populated. As in New Hampshire and Vermont, “there are very low numbers of actual teen births occurring in North Dakota,” Lindberg told me.
Massachusetts and Rhode Island – just to name two states – don’t support this theory. Besides being heavily Catholic and being the second and third most densely populated states in the U.S., these two have very low teenage pregnancy rates.
So the headline is a teaser. It’s not fracking though Hess buries the evidence in her piece. To repeat, nothing Hess wrote about a link between fracking and the teenage pregnancy rate is true. North Dakota had the nation’s fourth lowest teenage pregnancy rate in 1990 and the third lowest rate in 1999. And as of 2008, when the Bakken oil boom took full swing, it was back in fourth place.
Hess ends her disjointed post by circling back to this ridiculous explanation:
The state may prove that white, middle-class teens will probably do OK in the absence of comprehensive sex ed and well-funded reproductive health centers, as “they’ll learn from their families, their peers, their doctors, and the internet.” But that doesn’t change the fact that “the pernicious impact of abstinence-only education is its combination with poverty,” Carbone says. “The best contraceptive has always been a promising future, and North Dakota is one of the few places in the United States right now that is booming.”
Except, when North Dakota wasn’t booming it was ranked exactly the same. The only boom here is the tidal wave of North Dakota trend pieces which cause journalists to see correlations the same way a daydreamer sees faces in clouds. And how better to fix this problem – and it is a problem, right, since completion of high school and college attendance is basically a requirement for future success in this country – than to invite a huge population of people for whom teenage pregnancy is not out of the ordinary. And then when that problem manifests itself in our southern states, let’s just pretend that we couldn’t do anything about it and then let’s talk about how we really need to alleviate the poverty of these people we for some reason have to provide for. Genius.
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Amanda Hess is a good little dyke liberal (redundant) that can’t be bothered to notice the obvious. Liberals always bitch about abstinence only education not working (it doesn’t) while completely ignoring regular sex education doesn’t work either. The whole ‘if we just teach them’ montra has failed for years and the only solution they can come up with is to throw more money at it.
Race.
Period.
One doesn’t need to look at the demographics of those states to know who lives there. The teen pregnancy rates alone would be enough to determine what the breakdown by race is even if you left the names of the states off.
Of course being deliberately myopic about race is fashionable these days, so it must be fracking.
Yawn. Another boring reporteuse who “forgot” to compare races so she could compare states and then speculate. Racial stats here:
http://www.cdc.gov/teenpregnancy/aboutteenpreg.htm
hispanics have always had the highest teen pregnancy rate, followed by blacks.
I thought it was only called “fracking” in the BSG universe…
Um…if you are saying that the only determinant of teenage pregnancy rates is the percentage of Blacks/Hispanics living in any particular state, I really disagree. Even if this country were 100% White there would still be a huge gap between the teen pregnancy rate in New England and, say, West Virginia + some Southern states. While Black and Hispanic teens do have higher rates of pregnancy than White teens, I bet that teens that come from high IQ/social class/income education backgrounds have lower rates of pregnancy regardless of race. Also, while it might be a smaller factor than race/IQ-social class-education-income, a high male to female ratio within a given state would lead to, all other things being equal, maybe not a lower teen pregnancy rate but a lower out-of-wedlock pregnancy rate.
So, in summary, while race may be a major determinant of teen pregnancy rates, I don’t think it is the only major determinant. IQ, social class, education, and income are probably just as major as race. Male to female ratio is probably a minor determinant.
http://www.cdc.gov/teenpregnancy/aboutteenpreg.htm
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/11/24/explaining-variation-in-teen-pregnancy-rates-by-state-race-and-sex-education/
I can’t wait when the chimmeys turn Texas into Tejas, making the state blue, then all the liberals won’t be able to mock the state. Then again, they will have a 271 automatic votes. Just stop filing taxes when that happens, no prob. Not like our new majority will be.
Schwyzer in the news today:
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ap/ap/education/porn-lecture-stirs-up-fuss-on-calif-college-campus/nWbKK/
I have zero respect for white liberals.
All of the “red states” have higher numbers of NAMs, aka Blacks and Hispanics.
Paradoxically Blacks have the highest teenage pregnancy rates but also the highest abortion rates, with nearly 40% of their pregnancies ending in abortion.
You cannot use temporary long-term fixes such as contraception and abortion, because that will only fit certain racial profiles (aka white liberals).
A black person has a short temper and can only think for so long. That’s why they have so many babies but also so many abortions.
You need long-term *gasp* Hitler like solutions such as massive sterilizations. But for that to happen you would have to acknowledge that race, genetics, etc is as important as the environment and that it isn’t Bible thumping hicks/white trash/rednecks/cowboys who are the source of this problem.
Let me guess, you think that lower class whites cause a lot of violence too right? Right?
I mean sure lower class whites steal a couple of things but they don’t tend to kill you.
The most interesting thing: the closer whites (of most classes) are to NAMs, the more “red” and racist they are.
Coincidence? I think not. White liberals can afford to be nice to NAMs because they don’t tend to cluster among them and live with them or have any long-term exposure to them.
Sure, talking about race all of the time is a huge headache but this is necessary because white liberals are delusional.
And their delusions can get me hurt, or worse, killed.
Most blacks are like Obama’s son: Trayvon Martin.
Aren’t his sons precious?
Can’t say it like it is, so pretend, pretend, pretend. Amanda Hess knows exactly why.
@Gorbachev:
Can’t say what “like it is”? Please explain?
Thanks!
O.
@Martin:
So, how are we to account for the fact that Hispanic birthrates have been documented to have fallen of late?
Your response?
O.
So, how are we to account for the fact that Hispanic birthrates have been documented to have fallen of late?
Steve Sailer has documented how Hispanic birthrates in the US have dropped in response to the demise of the Bush artificial housing boom.
Obsidian, your recent thread on online dating is solid. Nice work.
Low hispanic and black population.
Conservative, non-liberal white population living under more tightly controlled social mores.
A place that people leave if they can’t hack it or want fortunes or fame.
All of this adds up. But especially low population of hispanics. Any black people there are likely solidly middle-class or better.
Sums it up.
Actually I’d love to read Obsidian’s thread on online dating. Please direct me. Obsidian did show lots of insights into this realm before, I recall.
Notrh Dakota wasn’t always economically booming but its place in the educational race has been high both then and now. The higheredinfo.org database shows North Dakota ranked 7th in 1998 and 10th in 2008 in percentage of ninth graders who graduate on time, go directly to college, and graduate within 6 years.
Basically the maps on that site show two big hotspots for educational achievement, the northeast corridor and the dakotas/minnesota/iowa area. (Can’t post links from here as my employer blocks your blog because of the URL sweeper. I’m writing this on iPhone.) It’s a great database and I like playing with it.
It seems liberals are in general right that more educational focus leads to delayed children. A booming or stagnating economy is not the same thing and its effects are different. Also it doesn’t prove their seemingly endless assertions that every complicated societal problem is caused by lack of education, and that throwing more and more resources at education is the solution.
Gorb:
http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/
It’s his latest thread. And very well done, I must say.
The female liberal/SWPL-types preoccupation with teen-pregnancy is at least in part due to the fact that teen-pregnancy is a serious barrier (or at the very least a minor hindrance) to achieving the “feminist merit badge”.
Teen-pregnancy can throw a serious wrench into your plans for getting a useless degree at a liberal arts college, dating a wide variety of men in order to get to “know yourself better”, travelling the world so as to “open your mind”, and last but certainly not least — having a career.
Of course, there are a myriad of other examples of the kinds of things teen-pregnancy gets in the way of, but these are just the more major ones…
GRW
“One doesn’t need to look at the demographics of those states to know who lives there. The teen pregnancy rates alone would be enough to determine what the breakdown by race is even if you left the names of the states off.”
Exactly. The commenters at the OP go off on ridiculous tangents about “maybe the chemicals they work with in the oilfields lower their sex drives…?”. This is really one of those things where once you’ve taken the red pill large parts of the world become blindingly obvious and you can’t understand how other people are unable to see it. I was 100% certain what the answer was even before they got to the list of low-vs-high teen pregnancy states, and that only confirmed it completely. I’d love to see racial breakouts by state, I’d bet $1 million that on average the difference between races is far wider than the difference within race across states.
Incidentally, this is also a nice trick for trolling liberals, just mention that CA has one of the lowest average IQ’s of any state (true story) and leave them sputtering. They might know the reason why, but they’ll never be able to bring themselves to actually say it.
@Camlost and Gorb:
Thanks for the kudos on my latest blogpost, fellas. Much appreciated!
O.
@Camlost:
“Steve Sailer has documented how Hispanic birthrates in the US have dropped in response to the demise of the Bush artificial housing boom.”
O: I don’t doubt Sailer’s researches, as they seem to comport with that of others in the MSM who’ve also tracked the Hispanic birthrate. What we do know, is that it has fallen like a rock – and here I’m talking about the illegal Hispanic immigrant birthrate, too. ALL of it has fallen off, significantly. And yes Cam, much of it is due directly, to the uncertain economic prospects of either the Hispanic Baby Mamas themselves, and/or Hispanic Baby Daddies.
So, I’m having trouble understanding of what all the hub-bub of this post is supposed to be about – the fact of the matter is, that teen pregnancy rates, FOR ALL GROUPS, has been steadily going down over the past two decades, and continues to go down; moreover, when we break it out racially, there isn’t that big a difference here. For example, the overall Black birthrate isn’t that much different from the overall White one. And when we factor in SES levels, in some instances, the Black middle classes and above are having babies at even lower rates than their White counterparts.
I think the North Dakota situation stands on its own as a very special and interesting case study in all of the things we know and study along sexual politics and human mating lines. For example: we know that Men in ND don’t want for money; they’re set in that regard. Moreover, there are vastly MORE Men to Women there, as well. And yet, the Women ARE NOT taking advantage of these facts – which leads me to believe, that there is some other variable at work here. I mean, why wouldn’t these Women hop on these guys? Well, perhaps one reason may be, that despite being much more of them, and despite these Men making very good money, that they nevertheless evidence traits or behaviors and the like, that might be a turnoff to these Women? And since we’re talking about virtually all-White folks here, how does bringing in other races have anything to do with that?
The big takeaway for me here, is that the ND situation clearly shows, that it takes much more than a lot of high-earning swinging d*cks in order to woo the ladies into one’s bed. In a word, you still need some degree of GAME.
Comments?
O.
Excellent Obsidian dismantling racists. Soul Logic is the weapon of a Soldier who keeps the Dick swinging. Know Sir that you have Backup with us.
Watching “progressives” perpetually struggle with cause and effect is like watching Navin R. Johnson (Steve Martin) proclaim “He Hates These Cans!!”
“So, in summary, while race may be a major determinant of teen pregnancy rates, I don’t think it is the only major determinant. IQ, social class, education, and income are probably just as major as race. Male to female ratio is probably a minor determinant.”
SC,
I see you’re new to the study of HBD and the correlation between IQ and behavior.
I spent all of five minutes reading the source document for Ms Hess’ article and found the cause.
The lowest number of teenagers in the US per capita are in ND.
I also discovered a glaring distortion (no idea if it was intentional or not) in her report.
The opening of the Guttmacher study states “…the pregnancy rate is composed of the rates of pregnancy outcomes: births, abortions and miscarriages.”
Yet, for some unexplained reason Ms Hess states-
“How does North Dakota do it? “It’s not by having such great sex ed, contraception access, and abortion providers,” Guttmacher senior researcher Laura Lindberg told me, listing off solutions favored in more liberal states. No—North Dakota has one Planned Parenthood in a 700,000 square-mile state. Seventy-five percent of North Dakotans live in counties with no abortion provider. State law mandates abstinence-only education in its schools. And just this month, North Dakota State University president Dean Bresciani attempted to freeze federal funding for two of his own professors to stop them from starting a comprehensive sex ed program for at-risk Fargo teens.
So it’s not prophylactics.”
The pregnancy rate IS COMPOSED OF THE RATES OF PREGNANCY OUTCOMES: BIRTHS, ABORTIONS AND MISCARRIAGES.
Why would Ms Hess deliberately obfuscate this crucial data set by deriding the lack of abortion clinics, and planned parenthood sites and include the specious argument about abstinence only education?
Since the prenancy rate includes the rates of abortion, that fact that clinics are or are not available would have zero impact on the rate itself. Furthermore how does having a low pregnancy rate support the theory that abstinence only education doesn’t work? Wouldn’t that conclusion be illogical?
If one can find those kinds of flaws in a five minute skim, imagine what one might do with a good hard look at the data.
Socially, it isn’t “teen pregnancy” that is so bad, it’s “unmarried mothers” that create social turmoil. As things play out in the real world, teen moms are very often also unwed moms, so the more pregnant teens, the more unwed moms and the more feral boyz and men that roam the neighb like Orcs. Mustn’t let the shiny object of “teen pregnancy” hide the real problem, which is absent fathers.
Georgiaboy: Also it doesn’t prove their seemingly endless assertions that every complicated societal problem is caused by lack of education, and that throwing more and more resources at education is the solution.
Let me fix the end of your sentence for you.
…. and that HIRING MORE AND MORE LIBERAL WHITE WOMEN is the solution.
Follow the money. Always follow the money.
“The big takeaway for me here, is that the ND situation clearly shows, that it takes much more than a lot of high-earning swinging d*cks in order to woo the ladies into one’s bed. In a word, you still need some degree of GAME.”
The article doesn’t say that men and women aren’t hooking up in ND, it says they aren’t getting teenage girls pregnant. I’m guessing relatively few of the oilfield workers are hitting on high school chicks anyway, so all the fracking nonsense is a red herring. My own takeaway is that the population of ND (particularly the youth population) has lower time preference, greater self control, and greater respect for traditional sexual mores than most other states, all of which have been repeatedly shown to strongly correlate with IQ, which itself correlates with race.
The plain fact is, when you’re looking at statistics dealing with broad groups of Americans, race is almost always an important factor
white boy nzt you are full of shit you owe Obsidian strong Apology for racist dissimulation. Obsidian hits you where it hurts and you come back with weak pinky lies.
@obsidian
“yet, the Women ARE NOT taking advantage of these facts”
If you equate “taking advantage” with getting knocked up as a teenager by some oil field worker, then I guess that’s right.
@NZT: The gap between White and Black teen pregnancy rate is larger than the gap between, say, the gap between the Connecticut White teen pregnancy rate and the Mississippi White teen pregnancy rate. However, the difference between the two gaps isn’t huge. Like I said, even if America was 100% White it is still not the best idea to live among Mississippi Whites.
More faggoty excuses from white boy camlost and white boy sc. The Soldiers are vigilant Brother Obsidian we got your back.
“So, in summary, while race may be a major determinant of teen pregnancy rates, I don’t think it is the only major determinant.”
SC, the data showsthat the rate of black teen pregnancy is almost 300% higher. For Hispanics it’s more than 200% higher. If you have any other data set that shows a “major determinant” other than that, we’re all ears.
You are mistaken white boy hardscrabble farmer in thinking racist numbers trickery hbd will help you.
I can understand why numbers would appear racist to you.
Math is tricky when you’ve only got ten fingersand ten toes.
“@NZT: The gap between White and Black teen pregnancy rate is larger than the gap between, say, the gap between the Connecticut White teen pregnancy rate and the Mississippi White teen pregnancy rate. However, the difference between the two gaps isn’t huge. Like I said, even if America was 100% White it is still not the best idea to live among Mississippi Whites.”
Actually yes, the gaps are huge. Hundreds of percents versus tens of percents. You’ll have to get up with Promoting Justice if you need an explanation of those types of racist numbers.
@hardscrabble farmer, the link I included in my first comment has the stats for birth rate by race and state. so I will include it again, for those who fail to see that my comments are backed up by stats.
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/11/24/explaining-variation-in-teen-pregnancy-rates-by-state-race-and-sex-education/
LIke I said, race is a major determinant of teen pregnancy rates but it is NOT the only major determinant of teen pregnancy rates. If teen birth rates are any indicator of teen pregnancy rates, you can look at the White CT/MA/NJ/DC teen birth rate to see that it is much much lower than that of Mississippi. Even increased access to abortion in Northern states wouldn’t account for the huge gap.
All you clown ass caspers ha ha Obsidian said MY DICK and you ain’t say shit except racist lies numbers. Who wins the argument. The Dick wins the argument.
SC, have you read the Guttmacher report refered to in the original article by Ms Hess?
While I am sure “The Society Pages” is an awesome reference for “social sciences” and “cyborgology”, let’s stick with the reference material supplied as the source for this thread, shall we?
A 300% difference in teen pregnancy rates based on race is “major”, while a 10% difference between pregnancy rates of a single race based on geographic region is “minor”.
Get it?
Obsidian –
And yet, the Women ARE NOT taking advantage of these facts – which leads me to believe, that there is some other variable at work here. I mean, why wouldn’t these Women hop on these guys? Well, perhaps one reason may be, that despite being much more of them, and despite these Men making very good money, that they nevertheless evidence traits or behaviors and the like, that might be a turnoff to these Women? And since we’re talking about virtually all-White folks here, how does bringing in other races have anything to do with that?
The big takeaway for me here, is that the ND situation clearly shows, that it takes much more than a lot of high-earning swinging d*cks in order to woo the ladies into one’s bed. In a word, you still need some degree of GAME.
Comments?
Obsidian, you seem about confused.
There is no data to show that teenage women in North Dakota are necessarily less likely to be in sexual relationships with men. It’s just that they apparently know how not to get pregnant as teenagers.
How is it that you fail to understand that distinction?
Off topic, but here’s another quest for the great, mythical, female-approved hook-up app:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/02/tinder-hook-app-women-actually-use/62584/
@hardscrabble farmer: you have misread the the within race differences for teen pregnancy rates. As per page 10 of the guttmacher report, while the Black teen pregnancy rate is 272% of the White teen pregnancy rate, the Arkansas White teen pregnancy rate is 241% of the Minnesota/Wisconsin White teen pregnancy rate. So yes, the B-W difference is greater than the SWPL-trailer trash difference, it is not by much. I still stand by my theory that the trailer park is almost as unbearable as the ghetto/barrio.
Unrelated, but I saw your back and forth re: Trayvon Martin with Jamie Utt on Twitter. I’ve never seen anyone run away from his arguments as often as he did. He’d assert something, you’d challenge it, he’d change the subject. It was amusing, and utterly predictable when he accused you of just wanting to argue and not following the proper route of “reflecting” on his nonsense.
@Rifleman:
“Obsidian, you seem about confused.
There is no data to show that teenage women in North Dakota are necessarily less likely to be in sexual relationships with men. It’s just that they apparently know how not to get pregnant as teenagers.
How is it that you fail to understand that distinction?”
O: I didn’t. Especially when you take into account, as I have, the facts surrounding ND of late. For example, we know that local (White) Women in ND, in places like Wiliston, are NOT in the least impressed or interested in the Men oil field workers, even when offered potentially thousands of dollars to simply strip while said White male oil field workers play their video games; prostitutes have to be imported into ND to meet sexual demand.
So, while what you say is correct technically, it by no means explains the fuller situation.
I await your response that accounts for this…
O.
@Crank:
“If you equate “taking advantage” with getting knocked up as a teenager by some oil field worker, then I guess that’s right.”
O: What would be very interesting – and perhaps you know – is what is the age of first marriage of a White Woman in ND, and as well, what the age is of White Women when having their first child in ND, and whether this has gone up or down or remained flat since the onset of the fracking boom in ND.
Do you have any idea?
O.
@NZT:
“The article doesn’t say that men and women aren’t hooking up in ND, it says they aren’t getting teenage girls pregnant.”
O: Yes, you’re right, the current article isn’t making such an argument. However, as I’ve pointed out above in response to another commenter, what is clear is that native White NDers are NOT impressed with what’s on offer in terms of the White male oil field workers, and this is despite the overwhelmingly favorable male-to-female ratio numbers, and despite the fact that the White male oil field workers make very good wages – two factors traditionally held to be very important. Articles appearing in the NYT, Jezebel and even here at GLPiggy, have made it clear that the “Wiliston 10s” do NOT like they way White male oil field workers treat them, and would rather remain alone than take any of them up on the “offers” of companionship. One native White Woman of Wiliston even reported being nearly abducted on the street one day by two White male oil field workers. So, again, how do we account for all this – and what does other racial groups have to do with it?
“I’m guessing relatively few of the oilfield workers are hitting on high school chicks anyway,”
O: Based on the reports coming out of places like Wiliston, I wouldn’t be so sure…
“so all the fracking nonsense is a red herring.”
O: I beg to differ, since it’s clear that the fracking represents tremendous money-making opportunities for White males. One would think that this would serve as a powerful lure for the White Women, but this has not provent to be the case. Again, how do you explain it?
“My own takeaway is that the population of ND (particularly the youth population) has lower time preference, greater self control, and greater respect for traditional sexual mores than most other states, all of which have been repeatedly shown to strongly correlate with IQ, which itself correlates with race.”
O: Perhaps; but how do we explain the actions of the young White male oil workers – all of which seem to run counter to what you’ve noted above? Are you saying that only the young White Women have all of these things and the young White Men do not?
“The plain fact is, when you’re looking at statistics dealing with broad groups of Americans, race is almost always an important factor”
O: Not anywhere near as much as you and others here would like to believe; again, as I’ve noted earlier, it’s a documented fact tha birthrates among Hispanics, and that includes illegals, are at historic lows; the Black overall birthrate is very close to the White one. Teenage pregnancy rates have been steadily dropping for two decades running, and this holds constant for all racial groups.
So, it would seem, that when it comes to ND at least, attempting to bring in other racial groups, is a red herring…
O.
O: I didn’t.
But you are evading my point which is that the study focuses on teen pregnancy not teen sexuality in total. So you bringing up “game” is irrelevant to the issue. I think we are all aware of your agenda in trying to imply that White girls aren’t getting pregnant as teens because White men lack the “Game” to get them into bed. No doubt you believe that if they can only import more “brothas” from Philly we can get those White girl teen pregnancy rates up.
Especially when you take into account, as I have, the facts surrounding ND of late. For example, we know that local (White) Women in ND, in places like Wiliston, are NOT in the least impressed or interested in the Men oil field workers, even when offered potentially thousands of dollars to simply strip while said White male oil field workers play their video games; prostitutes have to be imported into ND to meet sexual demand.
And this conclusion of yours is based on your extensive research by reading ONE NY Times article and never having been to North Dakota.
Again, the issue is about teenage PREGNANCY. Most teenage girls don’t want to have relationships with older, blue collar men no matter how much cash they have on them. Most teenage girls don’t want to be treated like prostitutes in a community filled with out of town workers.
Try to stay on point which is – Why does North Dakota have such a low teenage PREGNANCY rate?
Maybe high school girls don’t mingle much with oil field laborers because their high school boyfriends would frown upon that.
@Rifleman:
“But you are evading my point which is that the study focuses on teen pregnancy not teen sexuality in total. So you bringing up “game” is irrelevant to the issue. I think we are all aware of your agenda in trying to imply that White girls aren’t getting pregnant as teens because White men lack the “Game” to get them into bed. No doubt you believe that if they can only import more “brothas” from Philly we can get those White girl teen pregnancy rates up.”
O: No; this doesn’t have anything to do with Black Men in the least – last time I checked, there was no great mass migration of Brothas heading out to ND.
At any rate, I don’ deny the fact that the current topic doesn’t address teen sexuality per se, and instead the teen pregnancy rate in ND; this is true. I don’t deny it.
But what YOU are dodging is the fact that ND has been in the news in the past year with clear reports tha run counter to everything we were led to believe what Women look for in a mate, most notably, wide mate choice, and Men who bring resources to the table. Well, as it turns out, the White male to female ratio is weighted heavily in White Women’s favor, and, that White Men overall in ND are bringing quite a bit in terms of material resources to the table…and yet, the White ladies aren’t nibbling. Indeed, if what the reports coming out of places like Wiliston mean anything, they can’t get away from those White guys fast enough.
So…how do you explain this, Rifleman? If it ain’t the ratios, or the money, then what is it?
“And this conclusion of yours is based on your extensive research by reading ONE NY Times article and never having been to North Dakota.”
O: Just like yours on this current post is based on ONE article appearing in Slate – yes?
“Again, the issue is about teenage PREGNANCY. Most teenage girls don’t want to have relationships with older, blue collar men no matter how much cash they have on them. Most teenage girls don’t want to be treated like prostitutes in a community filled with out of town workers.”
O: Agreed, totally. So, how do we explain the fact that they aren’t alone – their older “sisters” don’t want to have anything to do with these White male oil workers either. Your response?
“Try to stay on point which is – Why does North Dakota have such a low teenage PREGNANCY rate?”
O: I think whatever the reason, Black and Brown folk have very little, if anything to do with it…
Looking forward to your response to my questions…if you can…
O.
@obsidian
No, I have no idea.
As to this study, though, to further highlight the silliness of the Slate article, the data presented is for 2008. The current fracking boom didn’t even really start until sometime later that year, and wasn’t in full swing until 2010 and beyond. We would need 2011/2012 data to really understand the impact of the oil boom on OOW or teen pregnancy rates – though I’m really not sure why there would be much of one at all in the teen years. Maybe some impact in the early 20s as to OOW rates, although the phenomenon you describe would seem to put women in the mating market drivers seat, and when that happens there tends to be much less short term mating. So I’m not sure which way the boom would drive rates.
https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/stats/stateoilchart.pdf
Obsidian sees high school girls and young women who are married or with local boyfriends not getting knocked up by dirty migrant workers. He sees this as an indictments of white man’s dick. Obsidian thinks about dick a lot. Especially Dion Sanders dick.
Hey fellas, as noted earlier ND has fewer teens per capita than the other 49 states so it stands to reason that their pregnancy rate would be at the bottom, nes pas?
@hardscrabble
no, because the rates are not “per capita”, but rather per 1,000 teen women. So the number of teens relative to the population is not relevant, other than to the extent that it would indicate smaller family size and therefore more parenting attention.
From the first footnote to the first chart in the study:
“All rates are the number of events per 1,000 women aged 15–19, 15–17 or 18–19,”
The Guttmacher rates are per 1000 women in that age group, so it doesn’t matter, right?
I’m sure Ms. Hess is also wondering why Detroit is a shithole and Salt Lake City isn’t. We may never know…
Camlost,
Thanks.
@UT:
If indeed that’s Ms. Hess’ concern it is misplaced; North Dakota and the GOP in general, have much bigger fish to fry than worrying about what Black folk are or aren’t doing. I’ve written about this issue more in detail back over at my blog, if anyone’s interested.
O.
SC, actually abortion differeinces make up almost all the differential. CDC and almost all data on teen pregnencies report teen birth rates. The only place I’ve ever seen abortions addressed is in the Guttmacher institute’s occasional reports on teen pregnancy, abortion, and birth rates.
Here’s the most recent one:
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/USTPtrendsState08.pdf
The table that will most appeal here, breaking pregnancy, abortion and birth rates by state and race is on page 10. While the data is spotty, generally the upper midwest is well below average for conceptions, the northeast is right around the national average, and the south is slightly above the national average (all only considering white 15-19 yo conceptions). However the “blue states” that have data, have a significantly higher proportion of their conceptions terminated in an abortion (30-50% vs 10-20%). Thus what looks like a wide gap is almost entirely explained by abortion (the trend is very similar for other races as well). Though nationally Blacks tend to have more abortions and Hispanics tend to have more babies (Blacks actually lead in teen conceptions).
Obsidian,
My response to Hess’ piece is very, very simple, but you’re turning it into something else. Fracking is not the cause of North Dakota’s low pregnancy rate. Her argument is indicative of Slate and liberals’ general tendency to live with their heads perpetually stuck up their asses.
You white boy chuck and other white boys here are to scared to admit Obsidian is right when he wrote about Dick. Or should I day dick when it comes to white boys in north dakota.
@Chuck,
I agree that the current discussion is tightly focused on ND’s low teenage pregnancy rates; I don’t deny that fact. However, you’ve covered the goings-on of ND in the not-too-distant past; and clearly, there’s much to be said along what Sailer calls “Affordable Family Formation” lines. It just seems pretty clear to me, that what you and Ms. Hess share in common, is an unwillingness to examine the dogs that didn’t bark in this ongoing ND story. My post today aims to do just that.
Come and join me!
O.
Obsidian Files 02/28/2013 at 10:05 am
This is about the GOP? Shit, get a clue.
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