1. More stuff on hook-up apps which cater to women. Still haven’t found what they’re looking for. Andrew Sullivan, the gay man who should know exactly how easy Grindr is, links to Ann Friedman who has tried many of these apps and has been turned off by the aggressiveness of the men in seeking out the easy-peasy. And as always, Friedman imagines an app that finally appeals to women which is completely different than a random hook-up app.
2. Ross Douthat on that ridiculous Slate article connecting fracking in North Dakota to the state’s low teen pregnancy rate.
3. I found a lot of this about liberal-to-conservative transitions to be interesting.
4. A blogger also tackles Hugo Schcwyzer’s “pegging” piece. The blogger makes a point I failed to focus on in my post: the object a woman is using to peg a man with i.e. dildo, does not have nerve endings. The woman is not deriving any other pleasure from the act other than some sort of sadistic thrill. Which is fine, as long as you admit to your sadism. But “penis in vagina” sex is not about pure sadism. The penis and the vagina have actual nerve endings which makes the act pleasurable for both (ideally). That’s an important point because Schwyzer acts like these roles can be flipped without any loss of anything other than the man’s hegemonic masculine ego. (h/t Ulysses)
5. I think men’s supposed interest in “cat fights” – like the kind discussed in an episode of “Seinfeld” – is overblown. The thing about cat fights in real life is that the type of women who will fight in the first place in public are self-selecting for ratchet-ness. In other words, the types of women who will fight in public will really fight. These are also really the only types of fights in which people will just let the fight happen without peacemakers jumping in right off the bat. Part of that has to do with the relative harmlessness of a fight between two chicks. Also, women are typically not great at fighting. Ironically, this makes for really good action. But as far as the old “Seinfeld” episode in which the allure of cat fights was pinned on the possibility of nudity: that’s one of those myths that sustain because it’s an easy explanation which fits the general truth that men are lustful. The OP tries to make a fuss over women’s UFC; it will go nowhere. It won’t scale.
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I always found cat-fights extremely disturbing and not even remotely sexual. All the more so when the “cat-fight” is a gang of black cats beating up a lone white cat.
RE: #3 – I blogged on Horowitz lightly last week. I heard Horowitz speak about his transition from left to right, and why he did it. He was raised in a commie loving household and was a true soldier. Over time, and with that odd murder, he started to see the left for what it was, purely a power grab by any means necessary. A comeback he used for the lib students who attacked him with their questions was ‘do you believe it due to logic and principles, or just because your side believes it?’. As he stated, you can’t just do things because you think it’s right because that can always change.
I liked the party identification is like a birthmark line in the article.
I have no interest in watching two women duke it out, professionally or otherwise. In fact, I think it is naturally repulsive to most men. Admittedly, though, I do achieve a certain level of satisfaction from watching YouTube videos of the female dregs of society clean each other’s clocks on Black Friday at Wal-Mart.
‘Cat fights’ can be amusing if one is the chap over whom the girls are trading fisticuffs (or scratches).
“a gang of black cats beating up a lone white cat.”
I wonder if most of those are attacks against an innocent victim, a dregs-level scuffle between friends, or black chicks punishing a ‘shark.
Pa, why do you guys call White women involved with black males “mud sharks”? That just seems to me like another example of White guy lameness. It just sounds goofy. Not a particularly clever insult. “Coal burner” another lame taunt.
But yeah, a lot of these black females going off on White women are motivated by racist sexual jealousy. Which I guess would cause more outrage and a hate crime charge if it were racially reversed.
Trashy women wouldn’t be so bad if they were forced to suffer the consequences of their actions.
Women fighting in a profession match is boring. As Laguna Beach Fogey pointed out, it’s only entertaining if they are fighting over a man.
I believe the Seinfeld episode pinned it on the possibility of kissing.
another example of White guy lameness
Anyone who makes it his calling to position himself as the arbiter of white man awesomeness should constantly do an image-check: “do I come across as the kind of guy others want to be like?” If you see that you just sound angry all the time, then the answer is “no”.
What’s so lame about “mudshark” though? It’s not like I’m interested in gaming them back into the fold or anything. By the way, It’s a perfectly serviceable word, which I first heard spoken by a guy from Eugene, OR.
… in 1993 (forgot to add that)
The best way for white men to discourage white women from going out with black men, is just to refuse to have anything to do with them romantically after that. Let her stick with black men from then on.
Jeez-ass.
PA, what is it with you and mudsharks? You bring them up on almost every blog you comment on. Usually through an awkwardly worded segue.
Give it a rest already.
sockpuppet?
refuse to have anything to do with them romantically after that.
Not just romantically, but socially too. Let her be where she chose to be. No more good times drinking or having fun with white guys, no help in anything big or small, no flirtation, no conversation. A woman shoudl get both cock and other comforts from the same source — not one form one source, the other from another.
@PA
No, just someone wondering what your “shark” obsession stems from.
@Lara
Sperm is cheap, eggs are precious. Ostracization doesn’t really work with women the way it can with men. It’s easier for a society to expel its excess males without consequence that it is to do the same with its females. No culture will force out its own women if it can be helped. In fact, they do the exact opposite. See: tribal wife-raiding.
Female ostracization goes against men’s strongest instincts.
I’ll get back to you on that TFH.
Female ostracization goes against men’s strongest instincts
And I thought you were a fairly smart guy. It’s easy to ostracize skanks and fatties. Unless you’re not telling us something about your sexual options?
No culture will force out its own women if it can be helped.
See: witch-burning; honor-killings; head-shaving in post-liberation France.
“Rifleman 03/03/2013 at 12:21 pm
Pa, why do you guys call White women involved with black males “mud sharks”? That just seems to me like another example of White guy lameness. It just sounds goofy”
Rifleman,
Because said “Mudshark” neatly personfies these guys biggest neurosis and existential dread; it’s a insult induced by panic.
OT@PA,
A buddy of mine stopped by last night and brought along a 12-pack of Tyskie Beer. Great Stufff! (I know, it’s probably mainstream swill by the standards of the average citizen of Krakow —– but to me it’s that perfect certain pils-y mix of light taste and strong alcohol content that I like in a beer. I rank up there beside Bitburger, my current favorite.
(I’m thinking back at onestv.com, we once had an exchange re. Tyskie; if not, then I’m mentioning all this merely because you’re also Polish, which I guess is pretty g.damn lame, lol!
Not lame, bracie, I understand you’re just tryin’ to relate, it’s all spoko koleś. Not sure what they drink in Krakow; I was there only twice, briefly both times. Frankly thought I am not a big fan of Polish beer. As far as my favorites go — without SWPL name-dropping of exotic microbrands — Stella Artois is a good, clean, crisp beer.
Well, if miscegenation personifies our biggest neuroses and existential dreads, then being “for it” is your biggest neurosis and existential raison d’etre.
“A woman shoudl get both cock and other comforts from the same source — not one form one source, the other from another.”
Who is the arbiter of this? Or is it ordered by decree? Is it liberal folly to suggest that these are personal matters that should be decided by the persons involved? As for ostracization of mudsharks: why don’t YOU ostracize mudsharks from your life and let others decide how they want to deal with such heretics?
(The funny thing to me about these sort-of alt-right, weekend white nationalists, is: if they waved a wand and got their dream job with a six-figure salary tomorrow, most of them would become overnight textbook SWPL’s in terms of their personal living and lifestye choices, and they’d all be out on the prowl looking to get laid by the most liberal SWPL white girls in the clubs ——- the kind I was up-to-my-neck in while an undergrad…..All these ruthless mercenaries until it’s time to get laid. lol!)
(The funny thing to me about these sort-of alt-right, weekend white nationalists, is: if they waved a wand and got their dream job with a six-figure salary tomorrow, most of them would become overnight textbook SWPL’s in terms of their personal living and lifestye choices, and they’d all be out on the prowl looking to get laid by the most liberal SWPL white girls in the clubs ——- the kind I was up-to-my-neck in while an undergrad…..All these ruthless mercenaries until it’s time to get laid. lol!)
Projection and cliches abound. I am satisfied with what I make and already am extremely SWPL in terms of my personal living.
Guys who run around and try to get laid — ie young and single white guys — don’t think much about mudsharks. They just write them off, to the extent they even show up on their radar. The biggest anti-miscegenators are married, upper middle class SWPL (non-Peter Biehl variety) fathers of teenage girls.
@PA,
Re: miscegenation. No, I’m not ‘for it.’ But I’m also not pre-occupied with it personally. I’m interested in it academically, but I believe those ‘for it’ or ‘involved in it,’ could be of many different types and persuasions, thus I don’t have a doctrinaire policy good-to-go on how to ‘deal with them.’
Re, Stella Artois; I like but didin’t know was a Polish brew; they stock that heavily here in Milwaukee, which, as you likely know, was America’s brewery capital in the Midwest’s pre-Rustbelt days.
Here’s a classic that tidily sums it up:
@PA
“skanks and fatties”
So why the hell do you care?
“See: witch-burning; honor-killings; head-shaving in post-liberation France”
Ok, I’ll admit you’ve got me there, you slick Polack. But in none of those examples are the women delivered to the enemy wrapped in a bow, which is what you’re suggesting with your ostracization plan. The fact that men would rather see (beautiful, valuable, non-skanky) women dead than pawed by foreign males actually reinforces my point. Our strongest genetic instincts tell us that women must remain in the group, or else they must die.
The problem is we’re living in the 21st century and nothing can be done about it, so you might as well stop giving a shit. Especially since, as you believe, we’re talking about skanks and fatties.
“Projection and cliches abound. I am satisfied with what I make and already am extremely SWPL in terms of my personal living.”
Wasn’t channeling you there in that instant; actually, I was reiterating a common gripe by the blogger Guy White. Did you ever read his blog? That was my intro to blogging, in late 2009. Anyhow, Guy White was a D.A., I think in D.C., and his big complaint was that most alt-right, pro-HBD guys would readily rollover on their racial and political convictions in a second if they could get good jobs and be welcomed into the cream of SWPL society… I do think that’s widely true; i mean, you guys here use false monikers because of a very real double standard and p.c. orthodoxy that is very, very punitive. Granted all of that. But: if there wasn’t and just the informal, social bane was the only real risk, I would bet that many-upon-many here STILL would go anonymous.
Never read Guy White. But Stella Aortis is not Polish. Without googling it, I’m assuming it’s Belgian.
My fridge is stocked with Stella Atois. It’s a Belgian beer.
his big complaint was that most alt-right, pro-HBD guys would readily rollover on their racial and political convictions in a second if they could get good jobs and be welcomed into the cream of SWPL society
I don’t know if that’s true or not.People are various degree opportunistic and principled. But unarticulated core values tend to be pretty fixed, and they are rooted in survival of self and one’s own, masculine honor, and such.
Coincidence that the ruling class mouthpieces are telling girls to stick dildos up their man’s ass right after the violence against women act was passed again?
My fridge is stocked with Stella Atois. It’s a Belgian beer
Cheers Lara!
lol nikcrit you were never up to your neck in quality white girls, ever
you would never feel the need to post that if you in fact were
i think you’re actually a closet faggot
faggot
Ostracization does work very well with women. Very few white women would be willing to live in an African society.
“ol nikcrit you were never up to your neck in quality white girls, ever”
just to be clear: I didn’t intend that to read as if I was ‘actively’ up-to-my-neck, as in socially and sexually involved; rather, I meant that my undergrad life at Madison involved being consatantly surrounded by tons of naive, lib eral SWPL girls —— in stores, classes, student apartments, etc.
So get your mind out of the gutter.
But: If I were gay, why would I feign being around attractive caucasian females? I don’t see how the compensatory impulse would go that route in that circumstance?
But again: come to think of it, my life in L.A from, say, ’94 to ’97, resembled this scene and film:
https://www.google.com/search?q=satyricon&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=oKkzUcHIHYjI9QTkloD4DA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1132&bih=687#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=fellini%27s+satyricon&oq=fellini%27s+satyricon&gs_l=img.12..0i10i24.3711.5186.0.7287.10.10.0.0.0.1.124.873.6j4.10.0…0.0…1c.1.5.img.5alt3vAefLU&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43148975,d.eWU&fp=f9a5f969497167b0&biw=1132&bih=687&imgrc=LUD6zXMwSTfsiM%3A%3B-ehxTxiCHWmMTM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.gonemovies.com%252FWWW%252FXsFilms%252FSnelPlaatjes%252FFelliniSatyricon2.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.gonemovies.com%252FWWW%252FHoofd%252FA%252FPhotoLarge.php%253FKeuze%253DFelliniSatyricon2%2526Age%253D%2526Sort%253DVolgorde%3B660%3B700
WTF, it’s the weekend!
The funny thing to me about these sort-of alt-right, weekend white nationalists, is: if they waved a wand and got their dream job with a six-figure salary tomorrow, most of them would become overnight textbook SWPL’s in terms of their personal living and lifestye choice
Hah. Like PA, I’ve never denied my affinities to SWPL-dom in many areas. I already make six figures, and if a shitload of that didn’t go taxes (Feds and I have to pay in TWO states) plus another shitload going to my kid’s student loans and rents, I’d be livin’ large, with the Williamsburg apartment, artisanal chocolates and the rest. I guess they’ll be financially independent SOME day.
Other items:
* German beers are the still the best. Screw you guys, I’m taking my Weihenstephaner and going home.
* To be said in your best Jan Brady voice: “Mudshark! Mudshark! MUDSHARK!”
To Lara:
“Ostracization does work very well with women. Very few white women would be willing to live in an African society.”
Not trying to slam you Lara, but it certainly seems as though white women DO want an African-style society. They keep voting for policies that will lead to one.
I think the term mudshark is hilarious.
Also social ostracism does work on women. Especially at school, or in the work place where there is a close-knit group that can close ranks. Most women aren’t very shrewd and show the effect it has on their faces.
I worked with (and I suppose I still do) a white women with nigglets that is basically shut out of the mini-society of the workplace because most of her ‘peers’ that are white men are socially cold to her, and you can see her shrink up from the reaction that she gets walking into a room.
Oddly none of us have ever discussed (to the best of my knowledge) her mudsharking, nor is there any deliberate will to ostracize her. We just subconsciously know there is just something “off” about her.
It’s not really very different than the kind of uncomfortable treatment that semi-butch lesbians get, and how their autistic-seeming behavior makes them the odd ‘man’ out among normal people. Most mudsharks are basically like that among white men naturally.
Now DC is sort of it’s own environment as far as mudsharking goes, because DC is filled to the brim with niggers who would otherwise be drug pushers or McDonald shift managers in six-figure jobs, and seemingly every single one of them has knocked up some white girl that has also moved from humbler parts of America to work in the cesspit, and there is an abundance of single rich niggers probably living nigger rich and that’s hypergamy in action. Women that would probably not go with a black guy all things being equal will go for one in DC where all things are incredibly unequal and you’ve got literally hundreds of thousands of Marion Barry rolling around swoop white chicks by flashing redistributed tax dollars.
That’s the vision of future America though. Anyone who wants to just do nothing should take the road trip out to any place with young children in DCs outlying counties in Maryland to get a look at the desired future where sub-normal IQ 35 year old niggers get paid 100k+ to roll around in 100k+ cars with pregnant 20 year old white girls in tow.
Never say never. Things change.
K(yle), does your workmate know why you guys are blanking her? Because if she doesn’t, it seems like a rather futile exercise.
Also, what’s your view of white women who date Asian men?
K(yle), does your workmate know why you guys are blanking her? Because if she doesn’t, it seems like a rather futile exercise.
Also, what’s your view of white women who date Asian men?
Asian in England seems to be different than Asian in the United States.
I meant North-East Asian, i.e. Japanese, Korean and Chinese.
It’s not really an “exercise” since it’s subconscious I’m sure on the part of everyone actually doing it. It’s really an “exercise” on the part of white men to not give the cold shoulder to mudsharks than the opposite.
Most white women know that cavorting with black men will signal a drop in their social stock though. That’s why they have to pay female pornstars more for scenes with blacks. It actually visibly impacts their ability to make money and any of them that is ushered into the business by someone already in the know will advise them to put in a few years sans nigger dicks without a significant pay increase. Some significant portion of porn consumers shuns these literal whores that have been with black men.
I just find it odd most of the time, but there are exceptions I suppose. I generally disapprove of interracial relationships though. I’m forgiving of teenagers, and people just fooling around before they’ve really matured into adults, but I’m not really supportive of the idea that the social landscape and public policy should conform to the wants of mankind’s genital tinglings.
“Asian” can mean a lot though. Are you talking “British” Asian to mean Pakistanis, or American Asians to mean east and southeast Asians?
Being able to both understand and respect the source of attraction goes a long way to mitigating being creeped out though. Which is to say I fully understand black male/white female relationships and 99% of the time they are creepy, and in particular the white female pings as a socially awkward, creepy kind of person in a similar way as militant campus feminists that just can’t interact with men. Except in the mudshark’s case it’s just white men. Both of their eyes on me make me feel socially and sexually uncomfortable and my reaction most of the time is a staredowns, or demeaning quips to make sure the feeling is mutual.
The same isn’t true of white women who wind up with “Asian” men from what I can tell, but these couplings are rare enough that there isn’t enough of a sample for me to say. The exception would be the Anglo/Germanic white women that wind up with religious Muslims, which are also oddballs but of a different variety than the ones that shack up with blacks. These white women seem to be in some kind of extended adolescence and just come across as childlike to me, or having severe daddy issues. I’ve only known a couple of these though. I grew up with a fair number of Koreans and Filipinos, and pretty much no one else of Asian ancestry. There were individuals, I knew a few PI from one family, a single Japanese boy, but no groups or communities.
Some white women have an interest in East Asian cultures. I would think those women would be the most likely to go out with Asian men. That’s a different basis for a relationship than what most white woman/black man relationships are based on.
It isn’t that white men are insanely jealous of black men. I don’t find that they generally are. In fact, they tend to take more of the attitude that a white woman is screwing up her life by being with a black man.
The subconscious social ostracism also becomes apparent when children are in the picture, like at kid birthday parties or family events at work. I’ve seen the freezeout given to black kids of a white woman. Also, I’ve seen overly solicitous fawning given to such children: when the word “beautiful” is overused in reference to a kid, you know it’s overcompensation. Like parents of a Downs Syndrome kid reflexively referring to him as “perfect” and such.
“Hah. Like PA, I’ve never denied my affinities to SWPL-dom in many areas. I already make six figures, and if a shitload of that didn’t go taxes (Feds and I have to pay in TWO states) plus another shitload going to my kid’s student loans and rents, I’d be livin’ large, with the Williamsburg apartment, artisanal chocolates and the rest. I guess they’ll be financially independent SOME day.”
Lol! Never denied it? How could you after mentioning the Williamsburg apartment? To those of us in flyover country, media mention of Williamsburg is code for “SWPL.” And ‘Artisanal Chocolates?”
Come on, man; it’s over: you might as well go ahead and mention which day of the week you volunteer in a Harlem nursery, lol!
When Christian Lander’s blog went viral, the term “SWPL” was purely pejorative in alt-Right and in broader conservative circles. It was associated with frivolity, sincere anti-racism, and effeminacy. The “latte sipping wimp” caricature. GOP’s successful branding of presidential candidate John Kerry as such was part of the zeitgeist.
Over time though, SWPL came to be associated with stealth virtue though, its goofier quirks notwithstanding. Head-fake antiracism, love of quality, intelligence, good looking women. I believe Heartiste’s “Prole vs SWPL” post helped, in contrasting niggerized/tacky white trash extremes like child beauty pageants and obesitywith classier SWPL preferences. I contributed to that as well, in my lengthy comments here and at OneSTDV about SWPL being more than meets the eye.
SWPL: yeah, you go through a Bob Marley phase in college, have a token gay black artist friend, but you are dead serious about the business of living.
And ‘Artisanal Chocolates?”
Absolutely! What, you never heard of these guys?
http://mastbrothers.com/
They’re taking orders. Five bars for $40! (+ $10 for shipping). I’ve had it, and I wasn’t that impressed. To borrow from Peter Griffin on “The Godfather,” the chocolate insists upon itself. But you gotta LOVE the way they look:
http://mastbrothers.com/about
Come on, man; it’s over: you might as well go ahead and mention which day of the week you volunteer in a Harlem nursery, lol!
Hah! No, I spend way too much time working (as I have a real job in corporate America) and don’t have time for volunteering. If I did, it would be with something involving animals or environment anyway, as I don’t give a flying whozit about children of any color. Not my kid, not my problem. I’d much rather be saving a bird or an animal. There are too damn many humans as it is, and I look forward to the famines of the coming ice age allowing us to cull the herd massively. And yes, I expect to get culled right along with the rest.
peterike,
you should re-post that ‘about’ video that has the two Mast Brothers delivering their chocolate manifesto; that’s one of the best SWPL exemplars I’ve ever seen —— those earnest nad detailed comparisons of chocolate to geographic shifts over the ages, I mean: c’mon man!
Weird thing is, in my town, there’s a pair of renowned entrepreneurial brothers who are luthiers, who look strikingly similar to the Mast brothers, down to their style of dress, facial hair and sort-of Renaissance-style hippie vibe.
Funny stuff.
Very interesting discussion – about something that as per usual, has little to nothing to do with the actual topics offered, LOL.
I don’t know if anybody is aware of this, but Seal apparently has a new White girlfriend – a 33 year old chick who was once the Pink Ranger from the Power Rangers tv show. Seal’s 50. In that Ms. Pink Ranger was once Ms. Young VA or something like that, I think most would consider her far from the supposedly to the curb White gals that no self-respecting White Guy would be caught dead with.
Peacock makes a number of powerful points, all having strong backing from the researches of Evolutionary Psychology. For example, the notion of using derogation of others in order to keep them in line – especially when it comes to sociosexual matters – is well documented. Women do this to each other, and Men do this to each other – but as we can clearly see here and elsewhere throughout the Manosphere, White Men do this to White Women quite a bit. They derogate them in all manner of ways, in efforts to convey that there will be heavy costs to pay for cavorting with Black Men. And then there’s all the many decades of evidence of White Men killing and often, sexually mutilating Black Men for real or imagined offenses against White Women.
Fascinating…
O.
About motherfucking time a Soldier with Knowledge steps up to the racists. Obsidian you were missing we expect you here and not away. Nickrit is unwilling. You have to train him Obsidian.
With all due respect Obsidian your reply to white boy pa and white boy peterike and intelligent brother Nickrit was inadequate. Your next comment stomp the racists be more clear about the superior Dick Of Darkness and reveal your Dick too. white boys dont want to hear that. When you talk white logic they too comfortable.
Where you at Obsidian. Scared of white boys their racist asses are no match for you. But you come here show your Intelligence but only to show what you got to impress the white boys. But your Mind is superior to their your Knowledge superior to. Use it to stomp them. So no excess Soldier step up Brah. Now Sir.
Promoting Justice: Shouldn’t you be doing your special-ed homework on a Sunday night instead of trying to write on a blog that is far beyond your level or grammar?
On second thought, I think PJ is a troll; anyone that was sincerely that ridiculous would have no interest in repeatedly coming to a blog like this. Indifference would be the order of the day.
I’ve concluded that Promoting Justice is really K(yle’s) deft attempt at planting a anti-black meme via trolling!
You are mistaken brother Nickrit. We are not a troll. We are real. We sent communication to Obsidan. Excuse our english.
Sorry, brah —– it’s inexcusable…
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/lauren-silberman-first-female-kicker-try-regional-combine-014846317–nfl.html
http://www.stormfront.org/hist_wht.htm
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
the alter-right perspective makes so much more sense now…
nikcrit: that’s one of the best SWPL exemplars I’ve ever seen
Hadn’t seen it in a while so I re-watched. Yeah, it’s priceless. I especially liked when the guy is talking about the ethos of their venture and says “a fiercely independent, almost Emersonian spirit is definitely something that we love.” The love of independence!
Yet no doubt they are four-square behind Obamacare and every other bit of Nanny State over-reach. But I don’t see this as hypocritical of them. They really just don’t see the contradiction involved, because they assume a massive government safety net is there, like the air they breathe, and that within that they are allowed their “fierce independence.” Though I wonder how it will be if their business grew and hit the magic number of employees and suddenly they have to start putting loads of energy into satisfying every stupid government mandate imposed on them.
Well these are the new white pioneers, crafting chocolates the old fashioned way, with hand wrapping! Incidentally, their factory is in an already totally gentrified part of Williamsburg, so they are not at the tip of the spear in that regard. In fact it’s right next to the Radegast Hall and Biergarten. Recommended! We should have a GLPiggy regulars real-world meet up there!
this is fucked…
http://gma.yahoo.com/elderly-woman-dies-nurse-refuses-182806486.html
“Mudshark” or “coalburner”? Huh. I believe “snickerdoodle” is the preferred nomenclature….
In that Ms. Pink Ranger was once Ms. Young VA or something like that, I think most would consider her far from the supposedly to the curb White gals that no self-respecting White Guy would be caught dead with.
The hookups of white girls with celebrities and athletes isn’t indicative of anything at all, other than rich and well known black men want white women more than they like black women, and white women like money and status. These are hardly the Walmart shopping couples of fat white chicks with their black baby daddies.
“* German beers are the still the best. Screw you guys, I’m taking my Weihenstephaner and going home.”
Is this “Tyskie” beer people are talking about also originally German? The word sounds like it should mean “German”; up in Scandinavia Germany is called “Tyskland”, which itself is a very distant linguistic relative of the word “Deutschland”.
I missed white-racist in hiding Promoting Justice and his sock puppeting. Welcome back!
I’ve never seen an interracial relationship that made me do a double take or pissed me off. They almost always make sense.
Fat white trash + ghetto black dude= common, makes sense, who cares
non trash white chick+ intelligent black dude=uncommon, makes sense, who cares
Non trash white chick+ prole white male=much more common, much more annoying
Lara:
“The best way for white men to discourage white women from going out with black men, is just to refuse to have anything to do with them romantically after that.”
Ostracism works on women, probably better than it does on men because (adult) women are so unaccustomed to it. Angry Dweeb above doesn’t know what she/he/brony’s blubbering about. Anyhow, white men don’t need to discourage white women from mud sharking, because the sorts of white women who mud shark are, on the whole, unattractive, gross and low class. For proof, see:
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2009/04/more-data-on-racial-mixing.html
White men are not interested in these kinds of trashy obese white women, so they don’t give a shit with whom these putative “racial sisters” rut.
“(I’m thinking back at onestv.com, we once had an exchange re. Tyskie; if not, then I’m mentioning all this merely because you’re also Polish, which I guess is pretty g.damn lame, lol!”
” the kind I was up-to-my-neck in while an undergrad…..All these ruthless mercenaries until it’s time to get laid. lol!”
“Lol! Never denied it? How could you after mentioning the Williamsburg apartment?”
“Very interesting discussion – about something that as per usual, has little to nothing to do with the actual topics offered, LOL.”
“hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.”
I love how these dregs always pretend to be having a great time. Seems legit…
@Skip:
“I’ve never seen an interracial relationship that made me do a double take or pissed me off. They almost always make sense.
Fat white trash + ghetto black dude= common, makes sense, who cares
non trash white chick+ intelligent black dude=uncommon, makes sense, who cares
Non trash white chick+ prole white male=much more common, much more annoying”
O: It seems what you should be annoyed by is your rather limited social circle. Like the wise man once said, when you look around, you see a lot…
O.
@CH:
“Anyhow, white men don’t need to discourage white women from mud sharking, because the sorts of white women who mud shark are, on the whole, unattractive, gross and low class. White men are not interested in these kinds of trashy obese white women, so they don’t give a shit with whom these putative “racial sisters” rut.”
O: This is funny, since there is all manner of evidence – your blog past and present included – that runs counter to the claim you make here. Clearly, White Men ARE deeply interested in with whom “trashy, obese” White Women rut.
O.
@Peterike:
“The hookups of white girls with celebrities and athletes isn’t indicative of anything at all, other than rich and well known black men want white women more than they like black women, and white women like money and status. These are hardly the Walmart shopping couples of fat white chicks with their black baby daddies.”
O: But that is precisely the point, because when these kinds of topics come up – and they do, very, very fequently in White Alt-Right/Manosphere spaces like this one and Roissy/Heartiste’s – it is always with the notion that the ONLY White Women ANY Black Man can get, is of the “People of Walmart” variety. My point in bringing up Seal, just to name but a few Black Men like him, is to highlight the fact that this is simply not the case, and that if anything, Class plays a larger role than anything else.
O.
Seal and Verne Troyer bang hot girls. Ergo, chicks dig black dudes and dwarves.
Heidi Klum’s value has dropped drastically. She’s been reduced to sleeping with her bodyguard.
Once again, PA, why do you keep raising this issue across several blogs? Since black guys are only getting da fatties that white men don’t want, why on Earth do you give a shit?
Btw, you should try walking ’round Atlanta, Orlando and Houston some time. What you’ll see on the streets there may surprise you.
Yeah, Klum’s value has dropped drastically, but for multiple reasons. In order of SMV damaging effect:
1. Got older (the skeletor face is already noticeable in her)
2. Has biracial kids
3. Fucked a black dude (even if Seal is not exactly representative of your typical ghetto thug)
Any halfway high status white man who travels in her milieu is going to pass her over for the myriad better options who are younger, hotter, tighter and have exercised more discerning judgment. (Was Klum cheating on Seal? Thought there was that rumor. If so, it would indicate she possesses even worse judgment than just the evidence of her multihued bastards. A white woman who stays in a committed relationship with a high status, decent black man who is loyal to her is usually given less grief by men and women of her own race.)
Lol!!, I don’t think Heidi Klum’s value has dropped because she was married to Seal; I doubt the men in her milieu think of Seal as some lower-class black male…… I don’t know; I’ve seen too many rappers with cream-dream gorgeous women to put too much stock into this racial appreciation/depreciation handicapping…… from my jaded and now disinterested view, I put my confidence as well as investment on this assessment: It’s about the money and nothing else! (But of course, there’s your saving-grace racial corollary as well. Phew!)
My Indian buddy, why do you feel the need to talk to me through multiple sockpuppets?
What??? Who the hell am I supposed to be sockpuppeting and why do you think I’m Indian?
@Obsidian
Yeah, they always bring it up, then say they don’t care about it.
I don’t know. Must be some high g mental process that I’m genetically barred from understanding.
@CH:
“Was Klum cheating on Seal? Thought there was that rumor.”
O: Indeed, but don’t know if it actually panned out or not.
“If so, it would indicate she possesses even worse judgment than just the evidence of her multihued bastards.”
O: Basterds? Really? C’mon. She was legitimately married to Seal and brought her three kids with him into tha situation. Hardly basterds. If anything, her first kid, whom she had with a White baby daddy, could be considered a basterd since they never married, and Seal adopted said kid as his own. Hmm.
“A white woman who stays in a committed relationship with a high status, decent black man who is loyal to her is usually given less grief by men and women of her own race.”
O: Really? By your blog and others like it, I can’t tell…
O.
“Since black guys are only getting da fatties that white men don’t want, why on Earth do you give a shit?”
O: Boom. And notice, to date, none of our White Guy friends has actually offered a straight answer to this burning question…
O.
Let’s review what’s gone on in this comment thread:
PA used the term “‘shark” to discuss when black women are hostile to white women who date black men. You don’t have to peep your head too far out into the real world to see that black women hold a special kind of contempt for these white women. They surely use harsher words than “mudshark”. At the same time, personally, I don’t see any point in using “mudshark” to describe this group, just as I don’t think many pejoratives serve any useful purpose other than in-group solidarity. To each their own though.
Then Obsidian comes along and brings up Seal and Heidi Klum as some sort of evidence that black men can get attractive white women. Of course they can, but it also helps Seal that he’s a famous musician. Since we’re discussing things that happen in the real world here and not in Hollywood or London, the Seal/Klum outlier is a pointless observation. But Obsidian often relies on these single observations to make larger points. Responding is a trap because it allows Obsidian to go off on other tangents that he wants to address, and now we’re 70-some comments in (not that I mind that the discussion is taking place).
Re: CR’s last comment:
Yeah, it’s true that, when discussing this issue, it’s quite relevant to distinguish ‘black males’ from ‘extreme outlier black males’ —- but sometimes I think said distinction is overly relied upon.
I mean, much less extreme than Seal’s ‘outlier-ness,’ I recall going to grad school in Hyde park, where b-w interracial relationships were incredibly common, among all income classes….. what”s funny to me is to hear repeatedly: yeah, the woman will suffer status-reduction if, etc., blah-blah —– that may be so, BUT ONLY IF SHE’S IN A COMMUNITY WHERE THE TYPICAL COMMENTER HERE ALREADY VALUES!
It would not hurt a woman’s status one bit in Hyde Park, regardless of her status within that particular community. An obvious but nonetheless frequent oversight IMHO.
edit: meant to say “regardless of her INCOME LEVEL within that particular community….” at the end of my last comment.
I’ll answer Obsidian’s “why on Earth do you give a shit?” question because its commonly asked:
One: the taboo on i.r. dating that was in place almost universally until 1990 ensured that many would-be fatties were motivated to stay slim. Two: even low quality and marginal women should be having children that look like their families; this is of interest to all whites. Three: as acknowledged by the sockpuppet, it disgusts men to see others paw at their women – that’s EvoPsych 101. Four: even if I’m not interested in those girls, their miscegenation is a preventable pesonal tragedy to their families, like a drunk driving death, with a humiliation thrown in. But black guys already know that. Five: the loss of low-value and marginal women has repercussions up the smv ladder.
i am form the high upper middle class. every white girl i have ever known has at least hooked up with a black guy
“Since black guys are only getting da fatties that white men don’t want, why on Earth do you give a shit?”
O: Boom. And notice, to date, none of our White Guy friends has actually offered a straight answer to this burning question…
Well, I don’t give a shit. Thus, I don’t use terms like coalburner or mudshark.
I’ve known quite a few white women who date/marry black males exclusively. About 90% of them were raised by a single mother.
The group of women that date black men more often than any other – strippers.
“One: the taboo on i.r. dating that was in place almost universally until 1990 ensured that many would-be fatties were motivated to stay slim. Two: even low quality and marginal women should be having children that look like their families; this is of interest to all whites. Three: as acknowledged by the sockpuppet, it disgusts men to see others paw at their women – that’s EvoPsych 101. Four: even if I’m not interested in those girls, their miscegenation is a preventable pesonal tragedy to their families, like a drunk driving death, with a humiliation thrown in. But black guys already know that. Five: the loss of low-value and marginal women has repercussions up the smv ladder.”
PA,
This is so ridiculous, it’s beyond belief: you’re positing as universal reality the mostsd self-serving and self-reifying of circumstances.
How F-ing convenient can you get?
Meant to say:
The group of white women that date black men more often than any other – strippers.
One: the taboo on i.r. dating that was in place almost universally until 1990 ensured that many would-be fatties were motivated to stay slim.
LOL, nah man this is just not true.
Even in virtually 100% black-free “fat belt” areas like West Virginia or the Carolinas/Georgia mountains you have extremely high obesity rates, male and female. It’s due to diet, not avoidance of miscegeneration.
PA said…
“as acknowledged by the sockpuppet”
Jeezus. You’ve obviously convinced yourself that I’m an Indian sockpuppet. I have no way to prove I’m not, so there’s no point engaging you on that issue.
On your main point:
Do you believe these women should be alone? I mean, seeing as white men reject these girls, what are the fatties and Camlost’s strippers supposed to do?
If white guys don’t want them, are they just supposed to check themselves out of the dating pool like nuns?
You’re also using a very subjective definition of tragedy. A Muslim family would consider it a tragedy if their daughter married a Sikh. The way you’re using it, the term has no meaning. Also, did you just try to blame the obesity crisis on miscegenation?
But out of curiosity, PA, how would you resolve the “problem”? I mean, if the most stringent anti-miscegenation laws outside 1930′s Germany didn’t stop this kind of thing in the South, what would your proposal be for curbing it?
Yes, which is exactly what is expected of unattractive white men.
But those laws did stop it, when they were enforced, and when the laws were enforced vigilantism in support of the law was also a lesser crime.
Regardless, you don’t need active enforcement like this anymore. We’ve now got managerial solutions.
You can just reverse the current managerial schemes. Just do the opposite of what is being done now.
Not me. If it were me I’d have never dropped the promotion of a racial pecking order based on ‘darkness’, which is basically the logical conclusion of “white privilege”. Back to the drawing board sleuth.
“Back to the drawing board sleuth.”
It was a joke.
The frame shouldn’t be primarily about liberated white females who believe that they have a black boyfriend as a fix’m up project, but rather, the black males who are subconsciously rejecting their mothers and sisters and displaying the radical sexual autonomy of their fathers. This frame evidences the pathological desires of the radical black male. It’s not good enough to shame liberated white females who’s act of miscegenation are “imperial” in spirit. How does one shame a white liberal female for her act of radical liberation?
Do black fathers desire to see their black daughters married off to white men?
What would we say of a black father who was indifferent to his daughter’s sexual autonomy?
Are healthy minded black men those that desire radical sexual autonomy for themselves and their black women?
Let’s review what’s gone on in this comment thread:
PA goes off the racial rails, as is his wont to do, babbling on about “sharks” in relation to White Women who are perceived to show a romantic interest in Black Men. He is quickly joined by, among others, Roissy/Heartiste, who makes all manner of wild assertions, making an utter ass of himself in the process.
What else is new?
The sheer amount of kvetching gets so bad, that even Camlost(!) of all people, has to come in and correct yet another of PA’s wild-assed assertions as to the “reasons” why he and other White Guys(TM) like him are “concerned” about White Women getting with Black Men – it’s all a CONspiracy you see, to get as many White Women fat and thus make them unsuitable to White Guys(TM).
Enter yours truly, whose name doesn’t even enter the discussion until well after the dicsussion, if one can call it that, has gotten underway. I mention the fact that Seal, indeed an internationally known and acclaimed singer and musical artist, was seen recently with a former state beauty queen and lead of the popular kids TV show, Power Rangers. She was the Pink Ranger, and is 17 years Seal’s junior. As we all know, his former wife Heidi Klum, was in her day, among the hottest models on the planet.
Chuck then asserts that what I’ve stated factually is irrelevant because out in the mundane real workaday world, the simple truth is that that the only White Women seen with Black Men are Lena Dunham dopplegangers – at best. Not only does this notion fly in the face of simple everyday observation – Dunham’s “Girls” character Hannah herself has had far and away more White Men up in her than Black (and please note that, to date, the real life Dunham has yet to be seen out and about with a Black beau on her arm) – but it doesn’t comport with other data either – which is, that the average height and weight of the American Woman is 5’3″ and 165lbs (per the CDC) – and a quick look on the streets of any major American city (I live in one and have lived in quite a few others; can Chuck say the same?) will swiftly bear out the fact that there are plenty of Dunham-types with White Guys(TM) on their arms – far and away MORE than Black Men.
Chuck’s mention of Seal’s status and wealth again drives home the point that I, Nikcrit, Dragnet and other Brothas in the ‘sphere have been making forever, but which of course, our White HBD Brothers simply refuse to get – that what we’re talking about, when it comes to IR dating/mating/relationships, is at least as much a function of CLASS as it is Race. We know that weight correlates with class and that the lower the former, the higher the latter – especially when it comes to Whites. Therefore, the “People of Walmart” kinds of White Women are likely to get with lower class Black OR White Men. Nothing new there.
But when Black Men are middle class and above, as Nikcrit pointed out with his observations in Hyde Park – something I happen to know a bit about myself – it is not at all unusual to see Black Men partnered up with desirable White Women. Here in my native Philly, in places like Mt. Airy (home of John McWhorter – he has a White/Jewish wife, just recently had a baby with her), Chestnut Hill, the Center City section and out in University City in West Philly (just to name a few), it is not at all unusual to see Black guys hooked up with White gals, and that I guarantee you the vast majority of the White Guys(TM) here and throughout the ‘sphere would most definitely hit if they could. So while yes, Seal is an extreme outlier of sorts, as Nikcrit and my observations also clearly bear out, the point is that a Black Man of a certain class can indeed appeal to and successfully mate with, a White Woman of comparable station. Why that should come as any shock to any reasonable human being in the year 2013, where a Black Man has been elected President twice, largely as the direct result of Single White Women, is what should elicit looks of incredulity.
NONE of what Roissy/Heartiste, PA, K(y)le, et al, have presented, as a shred of credibility in the light of Evolutionary Psychology; I challenge all of them to present proof to back up their assertions, citing reputable and recognizable names in the EvoPsych field – such as and starting with, David Buss. What I’ve said along these lines, is that a Woman can and will select a Man of formidable status, bearing and physical attributes, over Men of her own “tribe” who have markedly less in these key areas of female attraction. This is not racial, this is biological, and goes beyond the crude outlines these other guys have attempted to suggest. Seal, Tiger Woods, et al, are prime examples of this. But they are by no means alone, if the data on BM/WM marriages and the like are any indication. We know that their rate comes behind only Asian Women/White Men pairings. In the UK, the numbers are even higher. There are other examples.
That White Women are deemed to have higher mating value than Women of other ethnicities on the open mating market, is something I would never deny, and in fact have spoken to on numerous occasions. That a White Woman who is a point or three lower on the attractiveness scale may be able to appeal to Black or otherwise non-White males as mating options, short or longterm, is again something I would have no problem agreeing with. But the notion that so many White Guys(TM) in the Manosphere assert – that the ONLY time one observes a Black Man/White Woman pairing out in the everyday world, is of the kind that the White Women involved look like they just came off the set of Jerry Springer, regardless as to the station of the Black Man in question, just beggars belief. This is a popular meme in the White Manosphere, and it needs to die a quick and merciful death, not because “it’s keepin’ it real” but because it is the exact opposite of what’s real. Indeed, it’s “truths” like this that lay at the heart of why the Manosphere keeps making itself look like a joke to the outside world – a shame, really, because the Manosphere has a lot of potential good in it. But so long as it continues to aid and abide by certain ridiculous actors who repeatedly say ridiculous things that have little, if any, basis in fact, like I said, the Manosphere will continue to get punked. As well it should, when it refuses to grow up.
Lastly: I have never, ever, heard a Black Woman refer to a White Woman who is perceived to have designs on dating/mating with a Black Man, a “mudshark” – such a term is almost entirely one that apparently disgruntled White Guys(TM) use in describing such a White Woman – which is fascinating since, as quite a few others have noted over the course of this discussion, said White Guys(TM) swear up and down that they’re not interested in such “trashy, fat, ugly” White Women to begin with. If that’s indeed the case, then why are entire threads about topics that have zilch to do with Black Men/White Women pairings, can be seen to frequently dominate the comment threads throughout much of the Manosphere? What gives?
Maybe it’s simply a case of sour grapes hatin’?
Hmm…
O.
Obsidian,
Most of the black men, in Philadelphia, are not middle class.
Do black fathers desire to see their black daughters married off to white men?
What would we say of a black father who was indifferent to his daughter’s sexual autonomy?
LOL
“Black fathers” (oxymoron alert) aren’t generally around to be aware of who their daughter is choosing for a mate, except in movies starring Ashton Kutcher and Bernie Mac. It’s not a common occurence.
it is not at all unusual to see Black Men partnered up with desirable White Women.
Of course, anybody with functional eyes and options would always want to upgrade to a better choice. As soon as black men get a hold of a few dollars they’re desperate to chase any non-black female, and I can’t blame them.
I’ve seen a lot of decent-looking black guys with ugly Hispanic girls, too. Lamar Odom even married a she-male just to get a non-black wife. Nobody in their right mind wants to get with a black chick if they can get better.
(home of John McWhorter – he has a White/Jewish wife, just recently had a baby with her),
John McWhorter is an even bigger outlier than Seal. He’s a powerhouse Academic who can actually hold his own in a real field that isn’t black studies or some other grievance-related subject. Hence, he was destined to marry a white woman…. and who can blame him?
@Lara:
“Most of the black men, in Philadelphia, are not middle class.”
O: I never made any such claim; strawman, anyone?
@Camlost:
““Black fathers” (oxymoron alert) aren’t generally around to be aware of who their daughter is choosing for a mate, except in movies starring Ashton Kutcher and Bernie Mac. It’s not a common occurence.”
O: You can’t be serious, right? Attempting to make an informed argument by way of a (movie!) anecdote?
Really?
“Of course, anybody with functional eyes and options would always want to upgrade to a better choice. As soon as black men get a hold of a few dollars they’re desperate to chase any non-black female, and I can’t blame them.”
O: Camlost, really. Knock it off already. You and I both know this ain’t true in the vast majority of cases where Black Men have means.
“I’ve seen a lot of decent-looking black guys with ugly Hispanic girls, too. Lamar Odom even married a she-male just to get a non-black wife. Nobody in their right mind wants to get with a black chick if they can get better.”
O: See above. Besides, let me ask you – were these supposedly ugly Hispanic gals with Black Men of middle or lower class?
“John McWhorter is an even bigger outlier than Seal.”
O: Hardly. Just goes to show you don’t know jack about Philly.
“He’s a powerhouse Academic who can actually hold his own in a real field that isn’t black studies or some other grievance-related subject. Hence, he was destined to marry a white woman…. and who can blame him?”
O: I actually know quite a few Black academics in “grievance-related subject fields” who are married to White Women and have been for quite a long time. I also happen to know scores of Black Men who, like McWhorter, aren’t in the more traditional academic fields Black folk gravitate to (such as Engineering, Economics, Chemistry, etc.) who have Black wives – sometimes, very attractive ones. Like I said, you need to get out of that Black ghetto you’re stuck in down there in Bankhead more.
O.
I see cute black girls around. The problem is most of them are under 20 years of age, maybe early 20′s. By the time most black women are 25, they have put on so much weight, they look much older.
I also happen to know scores of Black Men who, like McWhorter, aren’t in the more traditional academic fields Black folk gravitate to (such as Engineering, Economics, Chemistry, etc.)
LOL, yes those fields are chock full of scores of blacks, traditionally speaking. I’m sure you meet quite a few of them from the vantage point of your blue collar union job. Anywhoo, thank god for blacks doing the heavy lifting in the hard sciences while white folks run barber shops or take up all of the public sector jobs at the post office or TSA.
BTW, the 72% illegitimacy rate is real, my friend. You can talk in circles but we all know the truth about black fatherhood – single motherhood is the overwhelming norm. I coached youth basketball for 9 years, with teams that were generally 70-95% black. I think my teams averaged about 1 black player per year whose parents were married, and this was a suburban area and not the projects.
@Camlost:
“LOL, yes those fields are chock full of scores of blacks, traditionally speaking.”
O: No, that’s not what I meant; what I meant was, that I happen to know quite a few Blacks with degrees in fields that are NOT associated with the softer Humanities fields that many Blacks tend to flock to, such as engineering, economics, chemistry, and so forth.
“I’m sure you meet quite a few of them from the vantage point of your blue collar union job.”
O: Happens all the time, at least for me, anyway – I rubbed elbows with quite a few such Brothas (and some Sistas!) at Temple, Drexel, UPenn, USP, Villanova, LaSalle, et al.
“Anywhoo, thank god for blacks doing the heavy lifting in the hard sciences while white folks run barber shops or take up all of the public sector jobs at the post office or TSA.”
O: Relax, Cam. In no way am I arguing that Black folk are flocking to the STEM fields – all the data we have on the matter suggests strongly otherwise. Indeed, I was just at VSB yesterday discussing these very facts. Hold tight I’ll be posting it up at my blog before Noon or so.
“BTW, the 72% illegitimacy rate is real, my friend. You can talk in circles but we all know the truth about black fatherhood – single motherhood is the overwhelming norm.”
O: OK – one, when have I ever denied such a stat; and two, what does this have to do with the current topic? See, you like to shift goalposts, Cam, especially when you can’t justify your BS assertions and theories. Always remember – I’ve got your number, son.
“I coached youth basketball for 9 years, with teams that were generally 70-95% black. I think my teams averaged about 1 black player per year whose parents were married, and this was a suburban area and not the projects.”
O: *Shrugs* your anecdotal experience, such as it is, doesn’t tell us much of anything other than the fact that said kids came from homes where the parents weren’t together. Were they previous married and got divorced – we know that Black middle class folk have higher rates of divorce than their White counterparts, and there is reason to suspect that this is due to the extra added pressures of being Black that Whites don’t have to deal with, at least not until very recently with the Great Recession (did you see the NYT piece that noted Black incarceration rates dropping, while White rates are rising significantly – especially among White Women?)
Holla back when you’re actually ready to discuss something empirical for once…
O.
“Lastly: I have never, ever, heard a Black Woman refer to a White Woman who is perceived to have designs on dating/mating with a Black Man, a “mudshark” – such a term is almost entirely one that apparently disgruntled White Guys(TM) use in describing such a White Woman – which is fascinating since, as quite a few others have noted over the course of this discussion, said White Guys(TM) swear up and down that they’re not interested in such “trashy, fat, ugly” White Women to begin with. If that’s indeed the case, then why are entire threads about topics that have zilch to do with Black Men/White Women pairings, can be seen to frequently dominate the comment threads throughout much of the Manosphere? What gives?
This is the singular topic in the HBD blogosphere in which there exists clear hysteria; I think it’ll take another year or two before the taboo level will tamper down enough to allow this subject to be discussed rationally.
I mean, anyone can see it: you have otherwise very rational commenters getting absolutely hysterically panicked when it comes to this subject. And clearly, there IS a mass media complicity in this sort-of what the comic George Carlin called the “pussification” of the white male; so, I do acknowledge there is some conspiratorial malevolence in play; but this head-in-the-sand denial of misgenation, personally and in the mass media, is just insane andarkly comical..And then, when the day comes where we can have that discussion, let’s discussion some of tse disturbing pornographic trends, such as cuckoldry andinterracial voeyeur porn… I mean, I don’t like to talk about stuff like this, but it’s very weird when the mass media underworld gets so Oedipially odd
sorry, but somehow my last comment really got mulched during the send
The last half should’ve read:
And clearly, there IS mass media complicity in this modern trend which comic George Carlin called the “pussification” of the white male; so, I do acknowledge conspiratorial malevolence being in play; but this head-in-the-sand denial of everyday miscegenation, on a social-personal level and mass-media level, is just insane. And this wish that interracial pursuit is one-sided, in which these brutish black males lust after these chaste white females, hilarity personified…
And then, when the day comes where we can have that discussion, maybe then we can countenance some of these recent disturbing pornographic trends, such as cuckoldry and interracial voeyeur porn… I mean, I don’t like to talk about stuff like this, but it’s very weird when the mass media underworld begins to act out in such a Oedipal way. THAT is a sign of cultural crisis; and then you know what the old writer and philosopher William Reich said (y’know, the guy who believed tehre was nuclear energy to be tapped from the power of male orgasm): That pornography is a precursor by 20 years of what will become mantrream societal trends.
check: WILLHELM Reich, not William.
“exists clear hysteria”
The most hysterical I’ve ever seen a commenter get on this topic was a black man named Menelik Charles. It was over on Abagond’s site, and an intelligent black woman was explaining why she preferred white men. I think if it had been in person, he would have ended up putting his hands on her, he was so angry.
@Lara:
It is very interesting that you had to go waaaay outside of the ‘sphere to get an example of an Brotha that supposedly has such a huge problem with Black Women getting with Whtie guys; I note, with great interest I might add, that you provide no links whatsoever with which to backup your assertion. Hence, what I’m talking about the Manosphere seems to exist to allow White folk of varying stripe to talk outta the side of their necks. Which explains why it keeps getting punked.
Hmm.
O.
@Nikcrit:
I’m not so sure that the George Carlin “analysis”, nor the prevelance of certain kinds of porn, is really at issue here, though I’m open to that possibility. In any event, what the Manosphere is doing right now in socalled response just ain’t the business. They need another approach.
O.
Obsidian,
“what the Manosphere is doing right now”…
what exactly is the Manosphere you are referring to? blog commenters, bloggers, or what? most discussions on miscegenation take place in blog comments where a lot of different topics are broached.
Obsidian,
you’ve spent time yourself trying to pscychoanalyze black women who “swirl”. if you were all live and let live then you wouldn’t have taken the time to make a pathology out of those womens’ romantic choices.
@Chuck:
“you’ve spent time yourself trying to pscychoanalyze black women who “swirl”. if you were all live and let live then you wouldn’t have taken the time to make a pathology out of those womens’ romantic choices.”
O: I was wondering what was taking you so long to go there?;) OK, let’s have at it:
There’s really nothing to “psychoanalyze” here – the socalled Swirlers are simply trying to assuage their being butthurt by either being done dirty by a Brotha, or not being selected by a Brotha to begin with, and so turn to White Guys as Plan B. I don’t have any problem in the least with who they get with; what I DO have a problem with, is their stated rationales for it, which always, to a Swirler, has to do with laying all the woes of the world at the feet of Brothas. Oh, and what I’m saying here I can better document, far and away moreso than PA, K(y)le, Ryu, Roissy/Heartiste, Camlost, et al, could on their side with their ridiculous theories combined.
Also: if you took all of what I’ve had to say about swirling and the like, it wouldn’t amount to a thimble compared to all the kvetching that goes on on the regular in the White Manosphere about “mudsharks” and the like. PA has easily, three times as much verbiage about IR stuff as I do, and that’s saying a lot.
Nice try though. Let’s stay on why so many White guys in the ‘sphere go apoplectic about Brothas getting with White gals?
“what exactly is the Manosphere you are referring to? blog commenters, bloggers, or what? most discussions on miscegenation take place in blog comments where a lot of different topics are broached.”
O: The Manosphere would be better served actually discussing topics that will make a real difference in their lives along the lines that Game and other self-improvement methods intended. Bitching about “mudshaks”, what Shaniqua and Lordes are or aren’t doing, how the SWPLs are keeping the Marginal White Guy(TM) down and the like, only marks the Manosphere out as losers writ large. And the shame of it is, that the Manosphere has an untapped resource of sharp guys – thinkers, writers and potential researchers – with formidable skillsets that could really make a difference on the Web, forcing a conversation on the two simple questions?
Is Feminism an unmitigated good?
Is Racial Integration without any downsides – and if so, who pays for them?
It’s real easy to whine, bitch and moan, Chuck – we both know this is true – but it takes real effort to raise the bar of discussion, that actually points to possible solutions and thought provoking discourse.
At present, the Manosphere seems to like to wallow in its own filth. I say that it can and should, do better.
O.
you haven’t characterized what the Manosphere entails. i don’t see a whole lot of blog posts decrying mixed race relationships.
“The most hysterical I’ve ever seen a commenter get on this topic was a black man named Menelik Charles. It was over on Abagond’s site, and an intelligent black woman was explaining why she preferred white men”
Oh, no doubt. I wasn’t implying that this is a racially one-sided issue; I’d say black males feel more entitled to interfere in black women’s love lives than do white men in whiite female’s lives, if such a half-assed guess meant anything. But I was specifically getting at the deluded reasons some of these guys conjure to explain the, ummm, “motivational’ aspect of causation here. lol!
There is a significant segment of white females who fetishize or idealize NAM males; and to be clear, I’d be the first to say that not all of it is neutral or positive a source —— A) the idealization could be insultingly one-dimensionall and comically stereotypical; B) it’s often compensational, in that the white female idealizes a NAM man in idelogical contrast and conflict with a white male she has formative issues with, e.g. an abusive father, etc.; C) it’s a extension of their political adolescence, part of their ‘radicalization,’ which is basically more eschewing of their formative influences in the face of adulthood, etc. The hinterlands of Wisconsin and Minnesota are full of such girls, who become freshman at Madison and go hog-wild in various mixed relationships once out of the home and in teh ‘big’ city (relative to, say, Superior, WI; lol!)….. this reality is part of Wis folklore and is routinely joked about.l
But no, it’s just those savage buck ghetto-ites lusting after and raping after all these chaste, pedestalized and TOTALLY unwilling alabaster queens. Hilarious!
Check II: Wilhelm Reich!!!!!!!
@Chuck:
“you haven’t characterized what the Manosphere entails. i don’t see a whole lot of blog posts decrying mixed race relationships.”
O: Then you’re being willfully ignorant of say, Roissy’s blog and that’s for starters. I stand by what I said about the Manosphere writ large. They have bigger fish to fry.
@Nikcrit:
“Oh, no doubt. I wasn’t implying that this is a racially one-sided issue; I’d say black males feel more entitled to interfere in black women’s love lives than do white men in whiite female’s lives, if such a half-assed guess meant anything.”
O: It doesn’t – there is virtually no empirical or even strong anecdotal evidence that this is even remotely true. If anything, I’d say that the vast majority of Brothas just don’t GAF about much of anything, which is both a gift and a curse.
“But I was specifically getting at the deluded reasons some of these guys conjure to explain the, ummm, “motivational’ aspect of causation here. lol!”
O: Indeed; that Denial is a powerful drug…
“There is a significant segment of white females who fetishize or idealize NAM males; and to be clear, I’d be the first to say that not all of it is neutral or positive a source —— A) the idealization could be insultingly one-dimensionall and comically stereotypical; B) it’s often compensational, in that the white female idealizes a NAM man in idelogical contrast and conflict with a white male she has formative issues with, e.g. an abusive father, etc.; C) it’s a extension of their political adolescence, part of their ‘radicalization,’ which is basically more eschewing of their formative influences in the face of adulthood, etc. The hinterlands of Wisconsin and Minnesota are full of such girls, who become freshman at Madison and go hog-wild in various mixed relationships once out of the home and in teh ‘big’ city (relative to, say, Superior, WI; lol!)….. this reality is part of Wis folklore and is routinely joked about.l
But no, it’s just those savage buck ghetto-ites lusting after and raping after all these chaste, pedestalized and TOTALLY unwilling alabaster queens. Hilarious!”
O: Yup-per – I’ve seen much of the same thing here in Philly and elsewhere in my travels. For the knuckleheads in the ‘sphere to keep this charade up is really laughable, if it weren’t so very pathetic…
Think of all the time that has been wasted just on this one discussion thread alone, about something that, by their own admission the White Guys(TM) claim to care so little about. Instead, they can be networking with Brothas of like mind and trying to get something done – but nope – they’re much more interested in crying into their digital beer. And that, is truly a darn shame.
O.
Instead, they can be networking with Brothas of like mind and trying to get something done – but nope – they’re much more interested in crying into their digital beer. And that, is truly a darn shame.
Let’s get right on that, brother minister. You still my nigga, O.
If anything, I’d say that the vast majority of Brothas just don’t GAF about much of anything, which is both a gift and a curse. — Obsidian
And this really goes to the heart of the matter. White men are supposed to be just like the black males who don’t GAF about the sexual selection of their women (daughters, mothers, sisters, etc).
But even more to the point, white fathers are not to GAF about the sexual proclivities of their daughters just as the black father has done.
Black fathers are indifferent or just plain condone the radical sexual autonomy of their black daughters and then set out to make pathological the white father who feels a visceral disgust for his daughter’s sexual waywardness.
The black “father” who is dogmatically and ideologically anti-miscegenation IS PATHOLOGICAL.
The black “father” that feels nothing when laying his eyes on his daughter in the arms of a white man IS PATHOLOGICAL especially when one considers the historical narrative that has been in place our entire lives.
O: “It doesn’t – there is virtually no empirical or even strong anecdotal evidence that this is even remotely true. “
Ok. Truth serum time: You are offered a wager on which scenario is more likely in real life and has led to more confrontations IRL —–only the wizard taking your money knows this empirically true answer and will reward based on the empirically true answer, etc., blah-blah:
A young white man is walking down a street in the ghetto of a big city hand-in-hand with his black girlfriend; meanwhile, across town, a black male is walking with his white girlfriend through a predominantly white, SWPL-ish community (the pair have just been to the local community theater production and are on their way combination cofeeshop/bookstore).
A) Which couple is more likely to generate verbal friction merely by being seen walking together?
B) Which couple is more likely to generate, heaven forbid, physical aggression, based merely on the visual affect of their joint presence?
(Answer honestly —- and remember, I work every weekday beside black urban youth; so, moral preening is unlikely to make me as much as blink.)
Nikcrit,
Since we all know the answer to these questions then you have to go to the next level of questioning.
Why are blacks in the street against miscegenation and willing to get violent about it when they don’t really GAF about their woman’s sexual disloyalty?
Why are the whites in the street so indifferent to these odd couples that they literally don’t even see them? Imagine not seeing what sticks out when you have 20/20 vision.
There is pathology to be discovered and discussed here.
@Nikcrit:
Show me the data. If White guys are getting themselves beat to within an inch of their lives at he hands of Black guys because said Black guys don’t like the fact that White guys are with Black gals, the data showed easily bear that out. That Black Women have made their views known about Brothas who swirl is easily documented seven ways to Sunday. Aside from a lot of anecdotes and the odd Man Bites Dog case in the media, we simply don’t have a heck of a lot of evidence that Black Men are seething with anger tha a very small number of Black Women are swirling.
And that is my point.
O.
@Nikcrit,
Not only is your premise flawed for the empirical reasons I alluded in my previous comment, it’s also a bit dishonest, since you refused to take into account Class – let’s say that the same BM/WW couple was passing through Marquette (did I spell that right?) Park back in the day – would they be treated as bad or worse, as the hypothetical WM/BM couple of yours strolling through the ghetto?
And how are we to know that in the tony section of town, that the BM/WW couple still wouldn’t face pressures? We know from studies done on such IR couples, that they have a higher rate of breakup and divorce; could this be due to the extraordinary pressures placed on them, because of the Black Male involved? After all, Black Men have been targeted historically by White Males for lynching, sexual mutilation and worse, for the supposed offenses of “raped” White Women.
This is why empirical data and studies, historically and otherwise, has to be our guide.
O.
Obsidian,
The only white male stupid enough to go strolling through a black part of town with a black female is… Well, even the most “racist redneck” isn’t that stupid.
What we understand is that any white male who gets stomped while in the company of a black female gets stomped because he is white male and not because he bedding black female.
The sexual disloyalty between black male and black female IS A COVETED ETHOS amongst black liberationists.
If White guys are getting themselves beat to within an inch of their lives at he hands of Black guys because said Black guys don’t like the fact that White guys are with Black gals, the data showed easily bear that out
Here you go Obsidian:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/graphic-testimony-marine-slay-trial-sends-mother-victim-running-courtroom-article-1.396444
Not just “beating within inch of their life,” but grotesquely mutilating and killing.
Black Men have been targeted historically by White Males for lynching, sexual mutilation and worse, for the supposed offenses of “raped” White Women.
No, niggers were given rough justice for doing the kind of shit that niggers in the article above did.
You got a lot of time to flap your lip around here. How about you go lay flowers on the graves of Christopher Newson and Channon Christain.