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Co-sleeping

Co-sleeping is signaling, and it’s overrated.  Don’t tell my girlfriend. (h/t Robin Hanson)

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19 Responses to Co-sleeping

  1. Callowman 03/22/2013 at 3:22 pm

    Of course, lots of people starting sleeping separately when they get a bit older. My grandparents did. My parents slept in the same bed frame, but it had two separate mattresses. The wife and I don’t, but getting an apartment with another room would be more signalling than we can afford.

  2. BeenThereDoneThat 03/22/2013 at 3:34 pm

    My wife and I discussed getting two twin mattresses to better suit our own “halves” of the bed to our own liking. Would have been a lot cheaper than getting one king mattress that we both compromised on. The sheets would have been fine with either option and the separation would have helped eliminate any disturbances from getting up or shifting around.

  3. SUSIE79J 03/22/2013 at 3:42 pm

    The dividing line between UMC SWPL/Hipsters, Upper Class and Proles/LMC for example is the following:

    * UMC SWPL/Hipster *

    Parents sleep in separate beds (and same house) yet Babies/Children sleep in the same bed as their parents

    * Proles/LMC *

    Parents sleep in the same room (and probably the same bed), since they can’t get another house, yet Babies/Children sleep near them but not in their beds

    * Upper Class *

    Parents sleep in the same house (same bed? who knows) and Babies/Children usually in the same house (but taken cared of by somebody else)

  4. SUSIE79J 03/22/2013 at 3:44 pm

    For most people “cosleeping” happens for parents (dad and mom), but babies sleep in their own beds in the same room. Uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents sleep in same house or nearby house, but NEVER the same bed.

  5. Inane Rambler 03/22/2013 at 4:36 pm

    They let you post articles in GMP?

    I thought that was a place for male feminists to congregate.

  6. CH 03/22/2013 at 4:53 pm

    I love falling asleep wrapped around a woman, but I don’t like *staying* asleep with her. A lot of my buddies have confided they take a few days a week now to get real shut-eye by themselves on the couch or in the guest bed.

  7. Scott 03/22/2013 at 4:54 pm

    If your going to posts links to stuff you write at GMP, you might want to hint here that you wrote it. I’m sure I’m not the only one who sees GMP and thinks “No”

  8. roger 03/22/2013 at 5:57 pm

    Very interesting. My wife and I sleep in separate beds in the same room due precisely to the vigor of our marriage. I am quite randy and that is the problem. Even now, seven years and four kids in (she’s 31; I’m 34), whenever we sleep in the same bed I am at at least half mast and bothering her for hours during the night and then I’m totally exhausted in the morning. Aside from the main act, the other stuff is not worth the fatigue the next day.

    Maybe in a decade her attractiveness will have waned to where cosleeping is workable.

  9. PA 03/22/2013 at 6:42 pm

    http://news.yahoo.com/two-teenage-boys-arrested-georgia-baby-shooting-death-205206658–abc-news-topstories.html

    Two subhumans that should have been Planned Parenthooded and flushed down a toilet before they were hatched aimed a weapon at a white 13-month old child and shot him in the head. This is new: the article TWICE calls them out by race:

    Sherry West, the 41-year-old mother of the child, told police she’d been walking her 13-month-old son, Antonio, in a stroller Thursday morning through their Brunswick, Ga., neighborhood when two African-American boys approached her and demanded money. When she told them she didn’t have any money, West said one of the boys pulled out a handgun.

    “He said, ‘I’m going to kill you if you don’t give me money,’ and I said, ‘I swear I don’t have any,”‘ West told WAWS-TV in Jacksonville, Fla.

    West said she tried to shield her child with her arms, but the gunman shoved her and shot the baby in the head. West was shot in the leg.

    Going on West’s description, police said they began looking for two African-American boys between the ages of 10 and 15 years old since Thursday. No details about how the suspects were arrested were given.

  10. PA 03/22/2013 at 6:46 pm

    As we speak, Obsidian is typing” “so what? they were arrested, problem sovled.”

  11. nikcrit 03/22/2013 at 7:41 pm

    PA 03/22/2013 at 6:46 pm
    As we speak, Obsidian is typing” “so what? they were arrested, problem sovled.”

    I swear to God, man; it’s almost as if you learn about these incredibly depressing and horrifying incidents, and you’re more upset with the mediated and politicized black reaction, embodied by some phantom “talented tenth,” than you are with the genetic waste that actually COMMITTED this atrocity.

    Is that how you cope? It is quite frightening to me —– the powerlessness one has to prevent horrifying events such as this, as there will be others. Perhaps there’s a comforting delusion that comes from putting the wrath for such horrors on someone or some group that had absolutely nothing to do with them?

  12. nikcrit 03/22/2013 at 7:50 pm

    I looked up some other links related to that infantcide; actually, the horrors involved here do break new ground…… i can’t recall, among the most notorious ghetto-horror criminal acts, a measured and deliberate act of shooting an infant; usually, they’re the result of reckless, or even blind, crossfire. But God help us if this is a precursor of things to come.

  13. PA 03/22/2013 at 7:53 pm

    Obsidian literally wrote this in the context of a similar event. I’m sorry that you feel helpless when things like this come up. It’s war and you are one of those guys who sees your side commit unprovoked atrocities and you are unable to do anything about it. But the atrocities keep getting committed.

  14. Lara 03/22/2013 at 8:05 pm

    Obviously, neither Nikcrit or Obsidian are responsible for this. After reading about this totally senseless crime, though, I have absolutely zero tolerance for a black issues. Decent black people are going to need to abandon their underclass.

  15. nikcrit 03/22/2013 at 8:35 pm

    “It’s war and you are one of those guys who sees your side commit unprovoked atrocities and you are unable to do anything about it.” (boldface mine)

    How so are these criminals on my side? Is it really sanctimoniously p.c. for me to resist your aligning me with some animalistic thug for the sake of racial polemic? And do you or even the most injudicious WN-minded individual really believe that I’m driven by racial fealty to make excuses for such ‘people’ and acts?
    I mean, perhaps you think that’s so with Obsidian, but perhaps his offense and seeming lack of pity considering the sorriness of the occasion is his taking offense with being lumped alongside racially, viewing the criminal act as a racial incident rather than a criminal incident (which is not to deny the racial corollaries and disproportions to serious crimes). He of course can speak for himself, but I’m willing to bet that he doesn’t make racial-victimist excuses for shit like those involved; black folk are the ones who catch the most hell from those types.

    And it also creates a knee-jerk annoyance when some feel blacks are more responsible for their underclass element than whites are for theirs; I recall O asking you words to the effect of: “what exactly do you expect us to do about our underclass?” etc. While that’s a question that needs to be answered in the long run, and I see and agree with your disdain toward those blacks of note who diligently avoid it, I DO agree it’s annoying for it to be assumed that it’s our sole and top priority.

  16. PA 03/22/2013 at 8:42 pm

    That boy was “responsible” for racism and slavery. You and Obsidian are responsible for his killers. You know what you need to do, Mr. Talented Tenth.

  17. nikcrit 03/22/2013 at 9:19 pm

    Well, personally speaking, I feel about as culpable for his killers as that poor infant was for ‘racism and slavery.’….. I guess the two responsible were 17 and 14; the older one will certainly fry, or at least be sentenced to fry, while i bet the younger one gets life —— i’m pretty sure he’ll be waived to adult court, liberal pieties only go so far.

    Enough; we’ve tested C.R.’s patience enough with semi-frequent ‘Talented Tenth” tangents and debates.

    As for the topic at hand: my theory is this: sleeping with your girlfriend is great= comfort and emotional solidarity.
    There can be practical bumps in the road, however: best to get a big bed —– but not too big and oversized a bed, depending on the size the two occupy; if the sleeping area is too big and there are too many options beyond spacial intimacy, then the divides and alienation in the relationship manifest spatially, even within a large bed. For me and mine, a king-size bed with ample lighting, pillows and co-nightstand accompaniments and access can serve as incredible relationship builders and sustainers.

    Think how many relationships never really get off the ground emotionally simply because the couple’s bed is way to small or is in some other way totally unsuitable?

  18. beta_plus 03/22/2013 at 11:34 pm

    @nikcirt

    No they won’t. If Obama had had two sons, they would look like them.

  19. Anthony 03/23/2013 at 7:45 pm

    My wife and I do pretty well with a queen-sized bed – when we want the physical closeness (for sex or otherwise), we’ve got it, when we don’t, we have room to sleep effectively alone in the same bed.

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